Is Philly better at building teams than us?

[mcmvp]

I referenced HoF players and you mentioned replacing other guys. It's not one in the same. You didn't respond to anything I actually said.

Maybe I don't know how to think, but you don't know how to read.

At this point you are either one of the most obtuse posters on the board, or you are just trolling. Good lord, take the L and move on…

 

[StarOfGlory]

I referenced HoF players and you mentioned replacing other guys. It's not one in the same. You didn't respond to anything I actually said.

Maybe I don't know how to think, but you don't know how to read.

Actually I did respond, but you choose to ignore my reply and resort to trolling. Please tell me what HoF players Philly lost that they had to replace--I eagerly await your reply. Just in case you forgot what you wrote, here it is: "You can make a safe bet that they aren't replacing to HoF players with two HoF players."

 

[plasticman]

Yikes. Straight out of the homer bible right here. The best way to combat this is ask some questions.

Let's start with your notion that what Philly has done is mortgage their future here. That in doing what they have done to rebuild this roster from the 2017 season, they mortgaged their future unlike the Cowboys. So with that in mind, answer for me a few questions.

• Which team is in better cap shape the next few years?
• Which team has more draft picks in this upcoming draft?

Now, using your logic above to defend the Cowboys roster building vs the Eagles, you'd think the Cowboys at this point, would be in better shape with draft picks, cap space, etc because the Eagles aren't building their rosters the right way. So it would be interesting to know the answer to those two questions above.

Second, your point seems to be that the Eagles 2017 SB win was fools gold because they sold out for that SB and had to tear the roster apart due to age and contracts and had to basically endure bad seasons for the mistakes made in building that fools gold team. OK. Answer me this. When looking at these two teams below, do you consider one having been more successful than the other?

Team A starting in 2018

- 3 playoff appearances
- 2 playoff wins
- 2 divisional titles
- 2 second place divisional finishes
- 1 losing season
- 36-29 regular season record

Team B starting in 2018

- 4 playoff appearances
- 3 playoff wins
- 2 divisional titles
- 2 second place finishes
- 1 losing season
- 31-33 regular season record

Now using your excuse making above and your defense of how Dallas does it right and how Philly showed suspect roster building skills winning a SB in 2017 which would result in a total tear down, shouldn't the Cowboys and Eagles success since 2017 diverge significantly? Shouldn't the Cowboys have had a far more successful run since the 2017 SB given they are building smartly and for the long haul while Philly made poor decisions and sold out for one SB run that resulted in having to tear that team down?

Is that what happened here in reality?

Excuse me, how many Super Bowls did the Eagles win? And how many Super Bowls have been played?

How many years did the Eagles dominate with their impressive team?

 

[Sydla]

Sorry, I'll just take this on to the trash yard and pay for it to be destroyed...Oooooh no.

You presented nothing more than isolated pin points.

The fact is this current Eagle's team is from a 3 year window where a large turn-around happened. 2017 is relative as to the movement of Andy Reid moved to KC. The only relative Eagle's point was that HIS team then actually WON a Super Bowl.

Teams who go to a Super Bowl and lose, almost never immediately return for a win.

Instead, we are talking about teams very closely related in talent. Two teams, both with 2 consecutive 12 win games? That is now...not non-stop comparing to a false view of pure losing.

Just how many games against each other, has Dallas won and how many games against each other have the Eagles won?

Don't continue back dooring insult of facts...answer those questions up front. You WON'T!

LOL the head to head argument again.

 

[Sydla]

Excuse me, how many Super Bowls did the Eagles win? And how many Super Bowls have been played?

How many years did the Eagles dominate with their impressive team?

Huh, they won a SB in 2017. They went back to a SB in 2022 after tearing down an aging team.

We haven't sniffed a SB in 25+ years.

But yes, good point. We roster build as good or better than they do.

 

[Captain-Crash]

We probably do build a better roster, it's just the other teams won't let us win. /shrugs, oh well.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Actually I did respond, but you choose to ignore my reply and resort to trolling. Please tell me what HoF players Philly lost that they had to replace--I eagerly await your reply. Just in case you forgot what you wrote, here it is: "You can make a safe bet that they aren't replacing to HoF players with two HoF players."

You're missing the part of where I said what if Kelce/Johnson were no longer there.

Try again.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

At this point you are either one of the most obtuse posters on the board, or you are just trolling. Good lord, take the L and move on…

Lol ok chief. Ignore button isn't hard to find.

 

[StarOfGlory]

You're missing the part of where I said what if Kelce/Johnson were no longer there.

Try again.

Lane Johnson is one of the best RT's to ever play the game, has 100% HoF talent, but he is not going into the HoF. He should be, but he isn't. It's not so much PED's as it is he lost a sure fire All-Pro year to an injury and was outright robbed of All-Pro two others years. He won't have the accolades, and I don't think the committee will overlook that. I may be wrong.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Lane Johnson is one of the best RT's to ever play the game, has 100% HoF talent, but he is not going into the HoF. He should be, but he isn't. It's not so much PED's as it is he lost a sure fire All-Pro year to an injury and was outright robbed of All-Pro two others years. He won't have the accolades, and I don't think the committee will overlook that. I may be wrong.

Ok whatever.

The point is that the asset allocation Philly uses is a lot different if they are trying to replace Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce instead of Mailata and Dillard. To the original point, there is an element of health luck, especially compared to Frederick/Tyron, that has been hugely advantageous to Philly. It's easy to replace average starters, it is much more difficult and a much greater logistical challenge to replace your premier players.

Like if Johnson/Kelce had Guillain-Barre and had to retire early, that first-round pick on AJ Brown might have instead been used on, say, Tyler Linderbaum or Trevor Penning. So you're replacing them with worse players AND you've lost out on AJ Brown - the ripple effect is that you probably sign Christian Kirk or Allen Robinson. Where are the Eagles today if that happens? We're certainly not talking about them being the best team in the NFL.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Ok whatever.

The point is that the asset allocation Philly uses is a lot different if they are trying to replace Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce instead of Mailata and Dillard. To the original point, there is an element of health luck, especially compared to Frederick/Tyron, that has been hugely advantageous to Philly. It's easy to replace average starters, it is much more difficult and a much greater logistical challenge to replace your premier players.

Like if Johnson/Kelce had Guillain-Barre and had to retire early, that first-round pick on AJ Brown might have instead been used on, say, Tyler Linderbaum or Trevor Penning. So you're replacing them with worse players AND you've lost out on AJ Brown - the ripple effect is that you probably sign Christian Kirk or Allen Robinson. Where are the Eagles today if that happens? We're certainly not talking about them being the best team in the NFL.

Maybe. Maybe not. Roseman has shown to be extremely flexible and pro-active in addressing weaknesses in his team. For example, Mailata IS the replacement for Dillard. He saw Mailata, called Jeff Stoutland and asked him to take a look at this rugby player that never played a single down of American football. Mailata was invited to the International Pathway Program, at that time using the facilities of the Bucs in Tampa (about two hours north of me, very nice facilities), and Stoutland said that he could work with his unusual combination of size and speed. They kept Mailata on the practice squad for almost two years, training and learning the game. Many teams would have cut him or not even given him a chance. Now look at him. They saw a 7th-round shot in the dark (alright, a very large, athletic shot in the dark) who took the job of a first-round pick. They have an Olympic hurdler on special teams. Roseman is not afraid to roll the dice. Having a great coach like Stoutland makes those dice rolls a little less of a gamble.

The thing is some may just say it's luck, but this crap happens too often to the Eagles to just be luck. Ripping off teams in trades, buying low on high older high upside vets or players who are known for injuries for next to nothing, finding talent from other sports--Roseman just finds a way. If he swings and misses, he just gets back in the box and swings again. The results don't lie. I hate that it's the Eagles.

 

[Sydla]

Ok whatever.

The point is that the asset allocation Philly uses is a lot different if they are trying to replace Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce instead of Mailata and Dillard. To the original point, there is an element of health luck, especially compared to Frederick/Tyron, that has been hugely advantageous to Philly. It's easy to replace average starters, it is much more difficult and a much greater logistical challenge to replace your premier players.

Like if Johnson/Kelce had Guillain-Barre and had to retire early, that first-round pick on AJ Brown might have instead been used on, say, Tyler Linderbaum or Trevor Penning. So you're replacing them with worse players AND you've lost out on AJ Brown - the ripple effect is that you probably sign Christian Kirk or Allen Robinson. Where are the Eagles today if that happens? We're certainly not talking about them being the best team in the NFL.

Or........... they just use Lane Dickerson at OC since that's where he played in college and they had drafted before acquiring AJ Brown. Or they could have just done what they did in the 2022 and draft Cam Jurgens to play C in the 2nd round.

And then just signed an OG to replace which one they moved to OC. So basically you created a doomsday scenario that would't have happened. They would have two centers to pick from and AJ Brown still most likely.

Try again.

 

[dreameaglegreen]

Ok whatever.

The point is that the asset allocation Philly uses is a lot different if they are trying to replace Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce instead of Mailata and Dillard. To the original point, there is an element of health luck, especially compared to Frederick/Tyron, that has been hugely advantageous to Philly. It's easy to replace average starters, it is much more difficult and a much greater logistical challenge to replace your premier players.

Like if Johnson/Kelce had Guillain-Barre and had to retire early, that first-round pick on AJ Brown might have instead been used on, say, Tyler Linderbaum or Trevor Penning. So you're replacing them with worse players AND you've lost out on AJ Brown - the ripple effect is that you probably sign Christian Kirk or Allen Robinson. Where are the Eagles today if that happens? We're certainly not talking about them being the best team in the NFL.

AJ Brown is the replacement for jalen reagor, there goes that theory

 

[CCBoy]

Maybe. Maybe not. Roseman has shown to be extremely flexible and pro-active in addressing weaknesses in his team. For example, Mailata IS the replacement for Dillard. He saw Mailata, called Jeff Stoutland and asked him to take a look at this rugby player that never played a single down of American football. Mailata was invited to the International Pathway Program, at that time using the facilities of the Bucs in Tampa (about two hours north of me, very nice facilities), and Stoutland said that he could work with his unusual combination of size and speed. They kept Mailata on the practice squad for almost two years, training and learning the game. Many teams would have cut him or not even given him a chance. Now look at him. They saw a 7th-round shot in the dark (alright, a very large, athletic shot in the dark) who took the job of a first-round pick. They have an Olympic hurdler on special teams. Roseman is not afraid to roll the dice. Having a great coach like Stoutland makes those dice rolls a little less of a gamble.

The thing is some may just say it's luck, but this crap happens too often to the Eagles to just be luck. Ripping off teams in trades, buying low on high older high upside vets or players who are known for injuries for next to nothing, finding talent from other sports--Roseman just finds a way. If he swings and misses, he just gets back in the box and swings again. The results don't lie. I hate that it's the Eagles.

Before Reid, just how many reached the Super Bowl and he was fired...no prove their record out and superior. to the team right now.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Before Reid, just how many reached the Super Bowl and he was fired...no prove their record out and superior. to the team right now.

We're discussing the Roseman Era, not what happened 40 years ago. Are you telling me you couldn't figure that out? Stop trolling me fellow fan.

 

[CCBoy]

We're discussing the Roseman Era, not what happened 40 years ago. Are you telling me you couldn't figure that out?

The clock has wound around and what you are doing is seeking labels that focus only what you want seen....blah.

2021

Dallas 12-5
Eagles 9-8

* Dallas beat the Eagles both match ups

2022

Dallas 12-5
Eagles 14-3

*both teams split head to heads

*Dallas lost against San Francisco in game #2 of the playoffs

That shows little heads up between Philadelphia who and your darling Roseman, beyond a slight advantage to Dallas between the two.

Roseman is not a Jimmy Johnson, although given a boatload of player talent...nor is he Andy Reid which he has inherited heritage from.

Don't dare go back to someone else NOT understanding!!!



Here and now and with similar talent levels on the field, I don't care about individual poster rankings, Dallas is on it's way to a 3rd STRAIGHT 12 win seasons. Always in the history of the NFL...ALWAYS an indicator of final goal competitors.

Now explain all of that away with your glorification and love of Roseman. Bring 'em on!!

 

[StarOfGlory]

The clock has wound around and what you are doing is seeking labels that focus only what you want seen....blah.

2021

Dallas 12-5
Eagles 9-8

* Dallas beat the Eagles both match ups

2022

Dallas 12-5
Eagles 14-3

*both teams split head to heads

*Dallas lost against San Francisco in game #2 of the playoffs

That shows little heads up between Philadelphia who and your darling Roseman, beyond a slight advantage to Dallas between the two.

Roseman is not a Jimmy Johnson, although given a boatload of player talent...nor is he Andy Reid which he has inherited heritage from.

Don't dare go back to someone else NOT understanding!!!

What I see and almost everyone else on this site sees is how many times the Eagles have been in the playoffs and SB compared to us since Johnson left. Would you like me to highlight the playoff records of both teams with Roseman? Jimmy Johnson didn't do so well in Miami without Jerry's boatload of pre-salary cap money, did he? Yeah, you didn't want to bring that up, did ya?

 

[CCBoy]

What I see and almost everyone else on this site sees is how many times the Eagles have been in the playoffs and SB compared to us since Johnson left. Would you like me to highlight the playoff records of both teams with Roseman? Jimmy Johnson didn't do so well in Miami without Jerry's boatload of pre-salary cap money, did he? Yeah, you didn't want to bring that up, did ya?

I don't care a flip about your Roseman...all you are saying is you hate Jerry.

Pre salary cap is not make-believe and Jerry fought for player's right instead of his own glory through that, Jimmy getting fired for cause or not!!!

You have no clue what I already have posted in detail on an OP that discussed and included that very fact...along with other picture inclusive facts.

Updated, for your reason stated...why did it take so long for him to make it into the Hall of Fame? He had a Hall of Fame QB, a good coaching staff, and a winning tradition as well. As well as a playoff set of players. Good, but not great there. Jerry meant something, instead, for Jimmy's picture...that just can't be denied.

Add in Andy Reid's period, and he won it all while in Kansas City.. and that blows out of the water, continuity in the Philadelphia brain shed. Reid was that good, but they didn't win it all, similar to Wade Phillips in Houston...you even know about that? Your measure against Dallas is less than stellar. You insult what Dallas did do during that period.

Just blow the foam off one's beer before crying into it.



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I explained the overall picture of the past two seasons and you didn't respond to the comparative picture between Dallas and Philadelphia actually being very close, with a slight advantage to Dallas.

You miss the concept here completely. This IS a two year window with no clear cut winner yet.

The Cowboys have won the last 8 games at home, since 2022...when did the Eagles last lose? You never answer or respond to a question OR contrary fact, much less facts!

I'll tell YOU the answer: Last week against a team that Dallas handled earlier. The Jets...the season and teams change as it progresses.

Grow up, or just leave this fan out of your slander routine...you don't have ownership of a valid view, only.

Go ahead, blame everything on Jerry...

GO COWBOYS!
When was the last time that escaped your lips?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Obviously they are better at team building. They have been the better more consistent team in the postseason over the past 27 years. Howie is a damn genius it makes the Jones' look like the podunk hillbillies they actually are.

 

[Sully]

they always have a dominant two way dt. they had f cox for a decade. Now they have two younger d tackles with cox still rotating. we have good outside guys like ware and
Micah. Their defenses are consistently more physical and better against the run. we both build up the o lines and receiver corps. you can argue daks a better qb. they have two number one wr s and a top te. they made two superbowls in the last 5 years. we often rush the passer and cover well but struggle defending the run. Is that the key?

It shows on the field. Dallas has not been to a single NFC Conference game in the 21st Century. Eagles have won a Superbowl