Is Stephen Jones a "Football Guy?"

[Apollo Creed]

Is Kyle Shanahan a good coach?

Stephen is by osmosis. And the third generation Jones is already being groomed for King Jones III regime circa 2030-2050. He's the goofy looking kid you see in the owners box covering his eyes and in the war room lookin like Shaggy from Scooby Doo.

But Jerry could go Al Davis on us and not hand over the keys until nature decides.

 

[perrykemp]

Is Kyle Shanahan a good coach?

Stephen is by osmosis. And the third generation Jones is already being groomed for King Jones III regime circa 2030-2050. He's the goofy looking kid you see in the owners box covering his eyes and in the war room lookin like Shaggy from Scooby Doo.

But Jerry could go Al Davis on us and not hand over the keys until nature decides.

This OR any of these Jones down the line -- including Stephen decide that they would prefer not to GMs and they bring in a GM. I think its a real possibility.

Egomania is not necessarily hereditary.

 

[Apollo Creed]

This OR any of these Jones down the line -- including Stephen decide that they would prefer not to GMs and they bring in a GM. I think its a real possibility.

Egomania is not necessarily hereditary.

I'm not gonna hold my breath, I doubt any real GM with clout would want a 50% control deal in Dallas. But Stephen may be more adaptable than Jerry, I can't see anyone but Jerry standing pat after a decade of Campo, Carters, and that kinda futility.

Not everyone is like your boy Ted Thompson.

 

[perrykemp]

I'm not gonna hold my breath, I doubt any real GM with clout would want a 50% control deal in Dallas. But Stephen may be more adaptable than Jerry, I can't see anyone but Jerry standing pat after a decade of Campo, Carters, and that kinda futility.

Not everyone is like your boy Ted Thompson.

In some ways, Jerry Jones and Ted Thompson are uniquely in the same category -- neither has an owner to worry about and both have nearly complete freedom of action to do what they want.

Curious -- If Ted Thompson called Jerry today and told him "Jerry, I want to be the GM of the Dallas Cowboys, are you interested?" what you think Jerry would say?

 

[dstew60105]

Ah, the find another team response.

Homer handbook. Page 1, section 4.

Another post from RS where he backed himself into a corner again. Seriously, the Jones family isn't going anywhere. You might want to find another team.

 

[Apollo Creed]

In some ways, Jerry Jones and Ted Thompson are uniquely in the same category -- neither has an owner to worry about and both have nearly complete freedom of action to do what they want.

Curious -- If Ted Thompson called Jerry today and told him "Jerry, I want to be the GM of the Dallas Cowboys, are you interested?" what you think Jerry would say?

Seriously, he'd tell him no thanks. It's the double edge sword with Jones, he's not going to allow any person to take away the glory. Even if Garrett wins one, Jerry will make the front page with Romo. He doesn't want the media to be able to credit anyone but he and his hand chosen assistants to get the credit.

Not saying we can't win with the current system in place, but it would've saved us some growing pains with a real football guy overseeing all operations, particularly in regard to personel.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Even if Garrett wins one, Jerry will make the front page with Romo.

I hope we find out someday. Even if it's true, who cares? That will make 4 for Jerry so why not? Not many other team owners can say that.

 

[Risen Star]

This OR any of these Jones down the line -- including Stephen decide that they would prefer not to GMs and they bring in a GM. I think its a real possibility.

Egomania is not necessarily hereditary.

That's the million dollar question. Will Stephen hire a GM when he takes over? Answer that correctly and I'll tell you what I think of how smart he really is and how fortunate we'll be that he's now running the team.

 

[dstew60105]

That's the million dollar question. Will Stephen hire a GM when he takes over? Answer that correctly and I'll tell you what I think of how smart he really is and how fortunate we'll be that he's now running the team.

No one cares what you think.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I hope we find out someday. Even if it's true, who cares? That will make 4 for Jerry so why not? Not many other team owners can say that.

No doubt about that but the point I was making is that he relishes that a lot more than most, sans Steinbrenner. Cant blame him, I'd rather have an owner that cares as much as him than the alternative.

 

[theogt]

Why would Stephen hire a GM? He is the GM. He negotiates contracts, manages the cap. They have a head scout that puts together the draft board (with input from Stephen and the coaches). Why would there ever be a need for a GM?

 

[perrykemp]

Why would there ever be a need for a GM?

Same reason as today with Jerry I suppose -- the workload associated with "running the business" is large enough that affects the ability to dedicate the time towards managing the cap, negotiating contracts, player evaluation, etc.

 

[Hostile]

Why would Stephen hire a GM? He is the GM. He negotiates contracts, manages the cap. They have a head scout that puts together the draft board (with input from Stephen and the coaches). Why would there ever be a need for a GM?

Exactly. I keep saying it, GM is just a title. A fancy way for some to say head scout or director of player personnel.

In fact, the truth is these titles are really just tax shelters in a way. I guarantee you Jerry Jones has an LLC and an S-Corp that relate to the Dallas Cowboys. I guarantee you that he receives a salary through that S-Corp as well as 401K benefits and insurance. I further bet you that though any person's max donation to a 401K is $17,000 per year that the S-Corp matches the donation because an employer can do that. So that puts $34,000 per year into his 401K. I'd also bet that his wife has a title somewhere and earns a salary and has a 401K that her employer (the S-Corp) matches dollar for dollar. I will go even further and say all of his grandchildren are covered too.

People who are ultra wealthy know how to let their money make money and avoid paying a lot of taxes.

 

[junk]

Not saying we can't win with the current system in place, but it would've saved us some growing pains with a real football guy overseeing all operations, particularly in regard to personel.

Exactly.

 

[theogt]

Same reason as today with Jerry I suppose -- the workload associated with "running the business" is large enough that affects the ability to dedicate the time towards managing the cap, negotiating contracts, player evaluation, etc.

So hire someone to "run the business" (by the way they do have people that do this). Sorry, I see executives every day running much more diverse, complex businesses.

 

[Hostile]

So hire someone to "run the business" (by the way they do have people that do this). Sorry, I see executives every day running much more diverse, complex businesses.

Needed to be louder.

 

[junk]

The reality is that the closest you have had to seeing a meeting inside Valley Ranch is Hard Knocks. The reality is that you have no idea who said what for any trade or transaction from anything but at best hearsay for the entire history of the franchise. The reality is you have no idea what the day to day of Stephen Jones and what he does for the franchise with any specificity since the very first day he was assigned as an executive with the franchise.

This is true of anyone on this board on either side of the issue.

What I see is a bitter individual looking for an easy scapegoat to blame.

Not really. Seems to me more like a fan of the team looking at the last 15 years, assessing the team and seeing where the short comings are.

Dallas has had a lot. Salary cap (after the Super Bowl runs), coaching (multiple times) and talent (consistently since the Super Bowl runs).

The team isn't in salary cap hell anymore, but they've made some very dubious contract decisions of late (Barber, RW11, Scandrick, Sensabaugh, Ratliff, etc).

Coaching - I hope that is solved for a while. We're still going to have to deal with some bumps in the road though as Garrett is relatively new to the coaching game. We saw that last year.

Talent - not there yet. This team is 14-18 over the last two years.

Bottom line - all those areas are under the responsibility of the guy saying he is responsible for final decisions at VR. He hires and fires those guys and he sets up the organizational structure.

Is the Cowboys front office different than successful teams in the league? Absolutely. Did they suddenly stumble upon the right combination of guys to make it work? I sincerely hope so.

Does it seem better? Yes, the last couple of years do. It seems Stephen is getting more control, but he himself says he has to talk Jerry out of trading up for Bennett. He had to talk Jerry out of giving up 2013 picks to get back into the second. If Jerry doesn't have any pull, no one would waste time trying to talk him out of things.

 

[Dodger12]

And Jimmie Genius proceeded to produce a world beater in Miami! Oh, wait...

I always get a kick out of this argument and how fans need to knock Jimmy to prop up Jerry. The reality is who cares what he did in Miami? It doesn't in any way negate what he did here. The same with Emmitt going to Arizona or Tony Dorsett going to Denver or Belicheck in Cleveland.

 

[Hostile]

I always get a kick out of this argument and how fans need to knock Jimmy to prop up Jerry. The reality is who cares what he did in Miami? It doesn't in any way negate what he did here. The same with Emmitt going to Arizona or Tony Dorsett going to Denver or Belicheck in Cleveland.

It isn't to prop up Jerry. It is to show that building a champion like we had here requires a symbiosis. In Miami do you think he had an owner giving him all that he was getting here?

I don't. Call me jaded, but I never saw that during Jimmy's years in Miami, and I think he was every bit as great a coach there as here.

Everything works together or something pulling a piece apart sinks the whole ship. It has always been that way.

 

[dfan32]

Is Jason Garrett a football guy? Of course he is but would you hire him to negotiate contracts and manage the salary cap?

The term "football guy" is a bit generic in other words. Stephen Jones more than capable of handling his responsibilities in the organization, probably better than some in his position. I'm not sure where he would rate amongst his peers but I would venture atleast above average.