Is Stephen Jones a "Football Guy?"

[Risen Star]

He only wants them to win the Super Bowl every year.

I can't argue with that. :laugh1:

He's positive about Romo, Ware and Murray.

He has his moments of positiveness if you look really, really hard.

I may even be positive about the current direction of the team too. Though I'm still on the fence about that.

We need a coach who can wear multiple hats and command enough respect to make Harry and Lloyd listen. Garrett may be that guy. Wade Phillips certainly wasn't.

I've swung a little anti-Garrett this offseason though. If he signed on for ignoring the trenches and ridiculously addressing the CB position like we did, he's not the guy I hoped he was.

 

[junk]

Those crying about nepotism should remember that Stephen didn't start out where he is now. He worked his way up. Just because he comes from the cap management side instead of scouting doesn't mean he doesn't have a valuable background that helps with his current GM-ish responsibilities.

Worked his way up from what? 1 year out of college he was a VP for the Dallas Cowboys. Gotta admire a guy that can pull himself up by the bootstraps like that.

However, I do like Stephen much more than Jerry. I do think he is more level headed. But, I also don't think he has the credentials for the job he is doing.

And, despite what some think, I don't feel Jerry is some iron handed despot. It is the intermittent way he injects himself that bothers me. I was reading an article on the 2008 draft and Stephen was talking about how he had to talk Jerry out of trading up for Martellus Bennett.

This year he made some comment about trying to keep Jerry from giving up 2013 picks to get into the second.

Not an effective way to run a front office.

 

[perrykemp]

Worked his way up from what? 1 year out of college he was a VP for the Dallas Cowboys. Gotta admire a guy that can pull himself up by the bootstraps like that

+1 for the truth.

It's silly to think Stephen Jones got the job via anything other than nepotism.

That doesn't even make it wrong -- happens in all sorts of businesses.... let's just not lie to ourselves that he earned that initial VP role.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

+1 for the truth.

It's silly to think Stephen Jones got the job via anything other than nepotism.

That doesn't even make it wrong -- happens in all sorts of businesses...

Yep. It happens every single day.

Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

We'll find out.

 

[Hostile]

He did absolutely nothing to earn those rings.

That's some clear desperation to even mention it.

But John Mara did?

 

[Illini88228]

I wasn't saying that it wasn't nepotism, just that the nepotism didn't earn him the job he has now. I have no doubt that he got involved in management with Dallas because his dad owns the team.

 

[jday]

:laugh1:

I may even be positive about the current direction of the team too. Though I'm still on the fence about that.

We need a coach who can wear multiple hats and command enough respect to make Harry and Lloyd listen. Garrett may be that guy. Wade Phillips certainly wasn't.

I've swung a little anti-Garrett this offseason though. If he signed on for ignoring the trenches and ridiculously addressing the CB position like we did, he's not the guy I hoped he was.

Garrett, I believe, is deferring to Rob Ryan, as far as their defensive moves this offseason. From what I have read, Rob is happy. As the coach, that is what you are supposed to do, as much as possible. Give your coordinator's the personnel they want and let them hang themselves. Not to say that Garrett is setting Rob up for failure. But if he does fail, it won't be because he wasn't given the tools that he asked for to succeed.

 

[Risen Star]

I wasn't saying that it wasn't nepotism, just that the nepotism didn't earn him the job he has now. I have no doubt that he got involved in management with Dallas because his dad owns the team.

Uh, yeah dude. He has his current position because he's the owner's son. He never paid any dues and worked his way up to anything.

 

[Risen Star]

But John Mara did?

I don't remember ever saying he did.

But Jerry Reese, their GM, did.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, it counts even though he had no part whatsoever in building those teams.

This is an incredibly ignorant statement in every shape of the word.

I guess making stuff up so it fits your worldview is best?

 

[Risen Star]

This is an incredibly ignorant statement in every shape of the word.

I guess making stuff up so it fits your worldview is best?

Yes, I'm making stuff up.

Or I'm living in reality where neither Jerry or Stephen Jones built those dynasty teams. Which is why you saw the team immediately nose dive when those two frauds took over the personnel side.

 

[Hostile]

I don't remember ever saying he did.

But Jerry Reese, their GM, did.

But the guy I was discussing with did. That was exactly my point. No one would tell anyone that the Rooney's are not football guys. Nor that the Mara's aren't.

Yet due to some kind of illogical nonsense some want us to believe that Stephen and Jerry aren't. I'm sorry, that is crazy.

 

[CowboyMike]

Yes, I'm making stuff up.

Or I'm living in reality where neither Jerry or Stephen Jones built those dynasty teams. Which is why you saw the team immediately nose dive when those two frauds took over the personnel side.

Those teams nose dived because the salary cap was put in place and there was no way we could have kept all our players and the fact that there was no way avoid the salary cap hell we were in to follow.

 

[arglebargle]

Yes, I'm making stuff up.

Or I'm living in reality where neither Jerry or Stephen Jones built those dynasty teams. Which is why you saw the team immediately nose dive when those two frauds took over the personnel side.

And Jimmie Genius proceeded to produce a world beater in Miami! Oh, wait...

Some of this seems to be semantics: Ciskowski does some of the work that a 'classical' GM would do. Stephen does some as well. It's structured slightly differently. Pretty sure you could find differences in structure among the 32 NFL teams if you were actually researching it.

I worked at a music store in a chain, that had a business manager who came over from a hardware store. He didn't know anything about the products, but there was a store manager, a bass player, who did. They did just fine with their division of labour, because they listened to one another, as well as their department heads.

Certainly you see GMs and coaches that do well and get fired, and do poorly and get kept on, or rehired. Just look at Holmgren's drafting in Seattle, or Shanahan in Denver. Vinnie Cerrato. Matt Millen. Etc.

 

[arglebargle]

I don't remember ever saying he did.

But Jerry Reese, their GM, did.

That's gold, but Parcells and Jimmie Johnson saying that Stephen Jones is good is not?

 

[Hostile]

That's gold, but Parcells and Jimmie Johnson saying that Stephen Jones is good is not?

Isn't it funny to watch the hot air raise the balloons?

 

[theogt]

I would take that bet in a heart beat.

I'd take it too. It'd be stealing money. No team in the league would even interview him for the position.

This just tells me it'd be a great bet. Sometimes you can tell you're right just by looking at who disagrees with you.

 

[Risen Star]

Those teams nose dived because the salary cap was put in place and there was no way we could have kept all our players and the fact that there was no way avoid the salary cap hell we were in to follow.

It's hard to argue with strategic bolding.

That team fell apart because we couldn't draft a player to save our life. It had nothing to do with the salary cap. It was a failure of the front office to replenish the cupboards.

 

[arglebargle]

It's hard to argue with strategic bolding.

That team fell apart because we couldn't draft a player to save our life. It had nothing to do with the salary cap. It was a failure of the front office to replenish the cupboards.

And Jimmie Genius proceeded to produce a world beater in Miami! Oh, wait...

Hey, I can do macros too!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, I'm making stuff up.

Or I'm living in reality where neither Jerry or Stephen Jones built those dynasty teams. Which is why you saw the team immediately nose dive when those two frauds took over the personnel side.

The reality is that the closest you have had to seeing a meeting inside Valley Ranch is Hard Knocks. The reality is that you have no idea who said what for any trade or transaction from anything but at best hearsay for the entire history of the franchise. The reality is you have no idea what the day to day of Stephen Jones and what he does for the franchise with any specificity since the very first day he was assigned as an executive with the franchise.

What I see is a bitter individual looking for an easy scapegoat to blame.