Is the 'firing' of Belichick bigger, worse, and more disrespectful than the Landry firing?

[plasticman]

It is absolutely ridiculous to assert it was all Brady and not Belichick who was responsible for making it to 12 conference championship games and 9 SB's while winning 6 of them.

Brady was the prime ingredient to be sure but he needed a team to be built around him for 19 years.

How did the Patriots go 11-5 in 2008 despite Brady being out for the season?

Belichick had a genius method for acquiring talent through the draft despite having to draft in the bottom quarter year in and year out. In fact, half the time, the Patriots drafted last or 2nd to last.

The Patriots had a top 5 defense 9 out of 18 seasons. Did Brady do that?

During Belichicks tenure, how many of his coordinators and assistants end up leaving the team as new HC's and coordinators? We see what happened to the Eagles this season but it seemed like Belichick went through this every other year. Did Brady assist in this?

I'm not a Belichick fan or Patriots fan but as an NFL fan, how can I honestly disrespect what he has accomplished?

How can I participate in downplaying his accomplishments when I would have given anything to see someone do the same with my Cowboys?

More than any other HC in NFL history, this guy deserved to go out on his terms.

There are 32 teams in the NFL and so the odds of any team winning a SB is 1 in 32. Under Belichick, the Patriots won their share for the next 200 years.

How many teams saw the potential for Tom Brady?

Tom Brady was a skinny, 6th round pick, passed by 32 teams 5 times. If he wasn't drafted by a bottom-line, results oriented coach like Belichick would he even been given a chance?

And it's not like Brady lit the world on fire as soon as he started. He had plenty of help. In his first combined 4 years as a starter the Patriots won 3 Super Bowls while Brady's passer rating was a pedestrian 87.5. ranking him 13th for that 4 year period. He had a 2-1 ratio of TD's to INT's with 97 TD's and 52 INT's.

During Brady's early years the defense was star studded with perennial Pro Bowlers Lawyer Malloy, Ty Law. Rodney Harrison, Richard Seymor, and Willie McGinnist. Brady didn't build that defense.

Calling Bill Belichick "trash" and "garbage" is not only disrespectful to him but also to the game itself and to every player and coach in the NFL who aspires to achieve even half of what he accomplished.

And, yes, it's just as big, bad and disrespectful as when Landry was fired. Any Patriot fan that is okay with throwing Belichick out like this doesn't deserve to celebrate a single one of those 6 Super Bowl championships.

 

[Jumbo075]

Fired? Mutual parting? I assume he was fired, or at minimum told to be gone. Belichick has more wins (I think) and more super bowl trophies than Landry.
Try to put aside your Cowboy fan bias for a second and answer.

I think it is for one main reason. Team loyalty was a lot stronger back then than it is today. Players are moving around in free agency and coaches are getting fired and hired so much these days. Belichick likely will continue coaching with another team. Maybe even Washington. I don't think Landry had any intention to ever coach anywhere after getting fired.

The firing of Belichick doesn't seem to be big news.

I cared about Landry. I don’t care about Belichick. So of course the Landry firing was worse.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Well, to be honest . He just needed a QB. It all fell apart once Danny went down in 1986.

He probably could have built it back to respectable with Troy, Irvin and Herschel. Maybe not as fast or great as Jimmy cause Tom wouldn’t have traded Herschel.

And people act like it lasted forever. It was really only from the last half of 86 until 88. Cowboy fans were spoiled then. We expected more. Compare that to now when we just hope to play in a title game. lol

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

And Landry would not have won without Staubach?

Even though he also went to title games with Meredith, Morton and White. Might not have won any without Roger but we were competing for championships.

 

[Wichitaleafs]

Lololol what an embarrassing take. Brady was nothing when BB won 3 rings w him. You’re so embarrassing

Huh? Tampa?

 

[removed_20241105]

BB is awesome. Few coaches can design and run a defense and have all gaps playing multiple techniques on the fly from down to down and have his players execute at an elite level.

DQ picked up a bit of that in how our fronts are multiple but BB was the founder and master of the approach. It was what he did.

Few things are less respectful than young new guy coming in and tossing out venerated old guy without so much as a meeting. That is what Jerry did with Landry. BB is getting pomp.

Great post. I find there’s so much dismissal of just how good of a coach he has been.

 

[NeathBlue]

Fired? Mutual parting? I assume he was fired, or at minimum told to be gone. Belichick has more wins (I think) and more super bowl trophies than Landry.
Try to put aside your Cowboy fan bias for a second and answer.

I think it is for one main reason. Team loyalty was a lot stronger back then than it is today. Players are moving around in free agency and coaches are getting fired and hired so much these days. Belichick likely will continue coaching with another team. Maybe even Washington. I don't think Landry had any intention to ever coach anywhere after getting fired.

The firing of Belichick doesn't seem to be big news.

I think with all the extra tv coverage and the internet, it’s less of a shock nowadays because people everywhere have been talking about it for the past couple of months.. 35 years ago, it felt like a bigger story, even though everyone felt it was coming.
In both cases, they both had stayed a couple of years too long imo.

 

[Blast From The Past]

I live in New England and watch Boston sports news about 3 times a week. BB was called on to quit or be fired most of the season by the call ins. Even the host had soured on his act around here so it was always gonna end this way for him this year. I was a loyal Tom Landry fan and I think the way the Patriots handled the firing of BB was way more classy than the Tom Landry firing by Jerry Jones. That's my opinion.

 

[JBS]

Huh? Tampa?

This has nothing to do w my post. You didn’t understand what I said

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

To minimize Belichick's accomplishments because he had Brady is stupid.
By that metric, Landry's 2 rings would never happen because he had Staubach as QB.

 

[gimmesix]

There isn’t anything disrespectful about firing a head coach whose team is struggling. The NFL is a tough business and coaches get fired all the time. Just because Belichick has been coaching the same team for 24 years and has built a Hall of Fame resume shouldn’t give him a pass if his team isn’t winning. It hasn’t officially been reported that he’s been fired. Some reports say it was a mutual parting of ways.

McCarthy won a Super Bowl in Green Bay and led his team to several NFC title games, but as soon as he had a couple of losing seasons, he was out. Very few coaches get to go out on top unless they have short careers.

 

[Chasing6]

Fired? Mutual parting? I assume he was fired, or at minimum told to be gone. Belichick has more wins (I think) and more super bowl trophies than Landry.
Try to put aside your Cowboy fan bias for a second and answer.

I think it is for one main reason. Team loyalty was a lot stronger back then than it is today. Players are moving around in free agency and coaches are getting fired and hired so much these days. Belichick likely will continue coaching with another team. Maybe even Washington. I don't think Landry had any intention to ever coach anywhere after getting fired.

The firing of Belichick doesn't seem to be big news.

Nothing is bigger than the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[KJJ]

McCarthy won a Super Bowl in Green Bay and led his team to several NFC title games, but as soon as he had a couple of losing seasons, he was out. Very few coaches get to go out on top unless they have short careers.

When you’re having losing seasons with Aaron Rodgers as your QB that’s a good way to get fired. Plus there were plenty of rumors that McCarthy and Rodgers weren’t getting along and if someone had to go it wasn’t going to be Rodgers.

 

[Redsfan_83]

How can it be seen as bad? Kraft even said he did BB the service of a mutual break up to let Bill decide where he goes next, instead of "trading" him. He had nothing but great things to say, and we all knew it was long overdue

 

[gimmesix]

When you’re having losing seasons with Aaron Rodgers as your QB that’s a good way to get fired. Plus there were plenty of rumors that McCarthy and Rodgers weren’t getting along and if someone had to go it wasn’t going to be Rodgers.

Well, it doesn't help when that QB misses most of one of those seasons with a fractured clavicle then plays through a leg fracture the next year. He might as well have been playing with Mac Jones back there those two years. I do agree that it seemed to come down to Rodgers vs. McCarthy and there was no way McCarthy was going to win that.

 

[Chasing6]

When you’re having losing seasons with Aaron Rodgers as your QB that’s a good way to get fired. Plus there were plenty of rumors that McCarthy and Rodgers weren’t getting along and if someone had to go it wasn’t going to be Rodgers.

How many SB's did Rodgers win without McCarthy?

 

[KJJ]

How many SB's did Rodgers win without McCarthy?

The same number McCarthy won without Rodgers. Green Bay won that Super Bowl because of Rodgers.

 

[Chasing6]

The same number McCarthy won without Rodgers. Green Bay won that Super Bowl because of Rodgers.

But could not win it again because of Rodgers?

That makes a lot of sense.

 

[KJJ]

Well, it doesn't help when that QB misses most of one of those seasons with a fractured clavicle then plays through a leg fracture the next year. He might as well have been playing with Mac Jones back there those two years. I do agree that it seemed to come down to Rodgers vs. McCarthy and there was no way McCarthy was going to win that.

It didn’t help that Rodgers was injured for some of those games, but he and McCarthy weren’t getting along if you believe the reports.

 

[KJJ]

But could not win it again because of Rodgers?

That makes a lot of sense.

He couldn’t win the Super Bowl again because all those Green Bay teams revolved around Aaron Rodgers. This is why Rodgers won a number of MVPs. Some of those teams weren’t even that great, Rodgers was carrying them. Rodgers led them to a 15-1 season with the worst ranked defense in the league in 2011. When a team is totally dependent on the play of their QB, it will catch up to them in the playoffs.