It Finally Happened

Larry73;3686370 said:
You too? I thought it was just me. Sometimes I also...well, nevermind.
Cool.

Sensational journalism has manipulated and destroyed alot of us that is why I put no credence to anything the media dishes out anymore.

The truth is no one knows what type of HC Garrett is going to be we'll all have to wait and see and if he's not ready for it there will be some opportunities for other HC canidates after this season.

Stay tuned.
 
Maikeru-sama;3686393 said:
:hammer:

Furthermore, folks need to stop patting themselves on the back just because Jason Garrett got named Head Coach. Most people felt he was going to be named Interim Coach. Also, we have no idea if this is the right move, only the future will tell.

True.

We'll find out a lot about this team, from the coaches to the players, over the last half of the season.
 
Dodger12;3686321 said:
Jerry didn't hire BP because he learned from his past mistakes and realized he needed to change. He hired Parcels so he could get the Cowboys enough credibility to get his stadium approved and built.

Once the stadium approval was out of the way, Jerry not only invalidated BP's tenure by stating it didn't work thus minimizing the organizational changes and improvements, but also said he was never going back to doing it that way again.

I have very little faith that Jerry can fix this mess because he has never recognized the value of an alpha HC except to bring credibility to his frachise so he can build his palace.........

To steal a line from a friend. On the Nosey
 
I think it is obvious that Jimmy Johnson was never interfered with because he won two Super Bowls and built the team that won the third.

That the rest of the coaches have never said anything about Jerry interfering could very well be due to non-disclosure agreements. They are pretty common nowadays. I had to sign one when I left my last job or it would have cost me.
 
nake;3686589 said:
I think it is obvious that Jimmy Johnson was never interfered with because he won two Super Bowls and built the team that won the third.

That the rest of the coaches have never said anything about Jerry interfering could very well be due to non-disclosure agreements. They are pretty common nowadays. I had to sign one when I left my last job or it would have cost me.

I don't know about any agreements, but what would any of them gain by saying Jerry was/is a control freak? Most people get it, it doesn't need to be said. Although Jones says it enough any way.
 
anava;3686214 said:
I thought I remember Phillips wanting Solari (sp?)
I remember fans wanting him. I never remember Phillips making a comment about it.
 
Hostile;3686009 said:
What conditions?


The condition of having an offensive coordinate hired immediately before a head coach* with the expectation that that coordinator will be replacing that head coach within a few years. I don't think that anyone has succeeded with that model elsewhere.


*With the head coach not having an input in the hiring.
 
Maikeru-sama;3686393 said:
:hammer:

Furthermore, folks need to stop patting themselves on the back just because Jason Garrett got named Head Coach. Most people felt he was going to be named Interim Coach. Also, we have no idea if this is the right move, only the future will tell.
I haven't seen even one person do this.
 
Hostile;3686653 said:
I remember fans wanting him. I never remember Phillips making a comment about it.

It's so old it's been taken down, but Mosley reported it at the time.

Yes, this is from January of '08.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2008/01/garretts_staff_shaping_up_nicely.html

Garrett's staff shaping up nicely
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So much for the Tuna's raid of Valley Ranch giving Wade Phillips an opportunity to hire "his guys."

If Jerry guy Dave Campo and Dom Capers round out the Cowboys' coaching staff, Phillips will have exactly zero experience working with any of the defensive position coaches. But the Cowboys will be set up awfully well for the eventual transition into the Jason Garrett era.

Garrett reportedly wanted Capers to be his defensive coordinator if he became the head coach in Baltimore. Jerry is on the record saying WR coach Ray Sherman is a "future coordinator" who "knows this system inside and out." So, if Capers comes on board, Garrett's coordinators will already be in the building. And it's not too tough to envision Campo becoming the assistant head coach.

The only assistant the Cowboys hired this off-season that Phillips has worked with before is OL coach Hudson Houck. Their paths crossed briefly in San Diego, but Matt Mosley reported that Phillips wanted to hire ex-Kansas City offensive coordinator Mike Solari but was vetoed by Jerry.

Houck has a lot more experience with Garrett than Phillips, having worked with the red-headed genius during Garrett's playing days in Dallas and his QB coach days with the Dolphins.

The addition of experienced, intelligent coaches could be a great thing for Phillips. But, if the Cowboys don't enjoy enough success to suit the guy making the hires, the transition to the next head coach is setting up to be seamless.
 
Hostile;3685736 said:
You don't notice a change in opinion about Garrett around here? I got dozens of PMs from people saying, "okay Hos, I finally see what you see."


Well if that many fans around here can be swayed by one press conference and no action, then i'd say we have alot of sheep around here. lol


Truth is that as of right now, Garrett has been nothing more than an average at best OC, and a miserable play caller and our offensive production has gone down the past few seasons to the point where its *** awful this year.
 
RoyTheHammer;3686815 said:
Well if that many fans around here can be swayed by one press conference and no action, then i'd say we have alot of sheep around here. lol


Truth is that as of right now, Garrett has been nothing more than an average at best OC, and a miserable play caller and our offensive production has gone down the past few seasons to the point where its *** awful this year.

Thought our O has been in the Top 10 the past 3 or 4yrs and Top 3 last. I could be wrong though. I didn't know that was avg. Just sayin!!!:rolleyes:
 
Mansta54;3686830 said:
Thought our O has been in the Top 10 the past 3 or 4yrs and Top 3 last. I could be wrong though. I didn't know that was avg. Just sayin!!!:rolleyes:

Won't make it this year
 
Mansta54;3686830 said:
Thought our O has been in the Top 10 the past 3 or 4yrs and Top 3 last. I could be wrong though. I didn't know that was avg. Just sayin!!!:rolleyes:

Perhaps he's talking about points scored? Just maybe?
 
McLovin;3686837 said:
Won't make it this year


That happens when you have a terrible offensive line and more importantly you lose your Franchise QB for 6-8 games with injury.

That tends to hurt offenses just a little bit.
 
Jimz31;3686841 said:
Perhaps he's talking about points scored? Just maybe?


Probably. People generally pick only one, or two catagories, in order to cherry pick so they can make their case.

The offense is EVERYTHING that goes into the offense. Yards, TDs, turnovers, etc. It's not just one thing.

Yes one are is more important than others, no one will deny, but you can't say "they weren't high in one catagory but they were in every other so therefor they suck."

That's ignorant.
 
Jimz31;3686841 said:
Perhaps he's talking about points scored? Just maybe?

Maybe, but didn't this O set team records for pts under JG? If not, they were darn close since JG has been the OC. Last yr it dropped off but 1yr doesn't make him avg....
 
Hostile;3685719 said:
There is video, right on this site, of Jimmy Johnson saying Jerry never interfered.

Barry Switzer has never said Jerry interfered.

Chan Gailey has never said Jerry interfered.

Dave Campo has never said Jerry interfered.

Bill Parcells has never said Jerry interfered.

Wade Phillips is never going to say Jerry interfered.

Now, either the media and the fans who claim this are dead wrong, or all of these guys are stone cold liars. Which sounds more reasonable to you?


In the PC yesterday two things stood out to me. Garrett was asked in the very last question how much persuasion Jerry needed given Romo was gone, tough schedule, 1-7 record, etc. His response, "no persuasion was necessary."

You're going to sit there and tell me that he witnessed Wade the puppet for 3 1/2 years and didn't need any persuasion to take the job when he can basically have whatever job he wanted for the last 3 years? Man, that's quite a stretch in logic.

The second thing that stood out was he said, "Jerry is a very good listener." To me that sounds like he isn't directing, he takes direction tries to give his staff what they want. Wade himself said that when he lost the DL Coach last year that he went to Jerry and told him he wanted Paul Pasqualoni and Jerry and Co. got the job done in 2 hours. He listens. You cannot simultaneously be a "good listener" and a puppeteer.

Every one of our coaches will tell you one thing. Garrett said it yesterday too. "It's Jerry's team. he can do whatever he wants." I can tell you exactly what he does want for his football team as it pertains to his Coaches. To listen to them, and then give them what they want. That is not interference, that is support.

Jerry has flaws, but the idea this man who is a self made billionaire is an incompetent, bungling, meddling overlord has no basis in fact that can be supported by any evidence beyond opinion of people who do not work for him.

Players and agents alike talk about how much easier it is to reach contract agreements with the Dallas Cowboys than it is other teams.

I understand the guy has said 2 things that give off this perception. He was "going to be involved in everything from socks to jocks," and "any of 500 guys could coach this team." Jerry is hands on, no one is saying differently. But he has never called a play, coached a game, insisted on a roster change, or in any way told one of his Head Coaches that they could not have what they want.

Two prime examples from recent times are Drew Henson and Terrell Owens. A member of this site overheard Jerry talking to Drew Henson's Dad at Training Camp the year he was released. Jerry assured his Dad that his time would come and he just had to keep working hard, and improving. Two weeks later Bill Parcelsl told Jerry that Henson did not have what he wanted and that he wanted to waive him. No fight from Jerry. Henson was gone. He loved the kid.

The Owens situation was more involved. Stephen Jones was the impetus behind him being gone. Jerry did not want to waive him. When the Coaches wanted to move on, we did. No questions asked. Millions of dollars down the drain for Owens contract that season. Jerry did not force it at all.

The idea that he is a puppet master is exactly what I said, patently false. There is no evidence to support it. Just fan and media opinion. Great sources of truth.


Love the stories, but that's all they are. Stories.


Of course you arn't going to hear coaches badmouth Jerry, especially not Garrett when he was just named the head coach. What's he going to say?

"Oh yea Jerry meddled with Wade's team, but he needs to keep his paws off of mine."

..get real.


Its widely known that Jimmy left here because he couldn't stand Jerry anymore and didn't let him operate the way that Jimmy wanted to. And they were good friends. Even Jerry's friend couldn't stand him after he came here and tried to coach for him.

Also, do you see any other owner come down onto the field in the middle of games? Stand and talk to the coaches? The players? That's not meddling or interfering at all? You don't think that's any kind of a distraction to the team during the game? REALLY??

Do you see any other owner sitting at press conferences, speaking out of turn and answering questions that normally the head coach would answer about the football team? Or sitting with the head coach, right over his shoulder answering things about how the team is doing, etc.. See any other owners doing that sort of thing?

As well, do you see any other franchise holding their training camp at 3 different locations? Providing a circus like atmosphere around the time of the year where your football team has to be focused on coming together and learning and trying to get our crap together to win football games? Any other teams do this? Not to mention make them practice on a hard turf that the players speak out against, because it causes more injuries?

Jerry is a meddler. He does things to make money and keep himself in the spotlight. Im sure he wants to win.. but his ego is so big that he doesn't even realize that he gets in the way of winning with his senseless behavior. Case in point.. he's still the GM of this team, responsible for the last couple drafts since Parcells and the guy who talked of winning a super bowl this year yet did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in free agency last offseason to make us better.

You believe what you want, but i've seen plenty that shows me and the other fans who see reality that Jerry is a meddler and his ego takes precedence over everything.
 

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