It Finally Happened

[Doomsay]

I swear, our fans are daisies. Rant on. That is a worthless topic.

Yeah, because the facts are not in your favor.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, because the facts are not in your favor.

Actually, if you knew anything about other teams in the NFL you'd know they are not in your favor. Every team has coaches and sometimes coordinators for an incoming Coach to keep.

Want one example in Dallas? Mike Zimmer.

Want one in the NFL Bob Bratkowski. Look it up and learn.

 

[Mansta54]

Im laughing because we haven't ever scored nearly enough points under JG. We had/still have so many weapons since he's been here and yet we don't score nearly enough to even be near the top of the league.

The stats were for points scored.. the benchmark for any and every offense.

Ok, but I was talking about our O being ranked as a whole, not just pts scored.. As for JG, I think he worked miracles with our offense under the soft and loose conditions that our then HC allowed. Don't put that on JG, that's the HC's responsibility. Lets judge JG's offense and team under his watch as HC. That's only fair. A team takes on the personality of its HC, our HC was soft and allowed the players to police themselves. Lets see how JG changes things...

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Actually, if you knew anything about other teams in the NFL you'd know they are not in your favor. Every team has coaches and sometimes coordinators for an incoming Coach to keep.

Want one example in Dallas? Mike Zimmer.

Want one in the NFL Bob Bratkowski. Look it up and learn.

That's not what he said at all. He said when you bring a head coach in and tell him that we already have a guy here who will be the head coach in a few years no matter how good or bad you do, and he'll be working on your staff as the "assistant head coach", who's also in charge of the entire offense.

There's a BIG difference. Before you question people's intelligence and knowledge you should do some thinking yourself.. and maybe stop questioning the intelligence of the posters who come to your website everyday and make this board into what it is.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Uh, you want to explain to me what two concepts you are talking about? You sure do have a surly attitude to come at me like that for no reason....

Why the "F" do you caome back with a reply like that? You and your condescending attitude is seriously pissing me off...."are you bright enough to separate the 2 concepts? Show me ONE post where I have come down on you. ONE. Yet you come at me with a "Are you bright enough..." Up yours dude!

Yeah, for some reason the guy has been very "hostile" towards anyone that isn't a Garrett fan.

Most of the people on this board that aren't Garrett fans will praise the guy if he wins.

But for some reason, if we don't think he is the second coming of Landry, then we don't live in the "real" world.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Ok, but I was talking about our O being ranked as a whole, not just pts scored.. As for JG, I think he worked miracles with our offense under the soft and loose conditions that our then HC allowed. Don't put that on JG, that's the HC's responsibility. Lets judge JG's offense and team under his watch as HC. That's only fair. A team takes on the personality of its HC, our HC was soft and allowed the players to police themselves. Lets see how JG changes things...

Our offense as a whole is judged by the points they score. You can't win games if you don't score points. Its all that matters. If we racked up 899 yards of offense in a game but only scored 10 points and lost does it matter? No. We still lose because we didn't score. The only reason the offense has the ball is to put points on the board. That's the "whole" reason they are out there.

..and you think he worked "miracles" with our offense who had/has as much talent as us? By finishing middle of the pack downward in scoring? Your expectations must have been extremely low then.

I understand what you're trying to say.. but you can't blame Wade for this. Garrett was solely in charge of our offense, so anything we did good or bad is on him.

 

[Plankton]

Yeah, for some reason the guy has been very "hostile" towards anyone that isn't a Garrett fan.

Most of the people on this board that aren't Garrett fans will praise the guy if he wins.

But for some reason, if we don't think he is the second coming of Landry, then we don't live in the "real" world.

Haven't you seen the photoshop job? He's the second coming, no doubt.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Actually, if you knew anything about other teams in the NFL you'd know they are not in your favor. Every team has coaches and sometimes coordinators for an incoming Coach to keep.

Want one example in Dallas? Mike Zimmer.

Want one in the NFL Bob Bratkowski. Look it up and learn.

Parcells didn't have to accept Zimmer to get the job. Reports at the time were that Parcells wanted to replace him but Jerry convinced him to give Zimmer a chance and Parcells ended up staying with him.

 

[Mansta54]

Our offense as a whole is judged by the points they score. You can't win games if you don't score points. Its all that matters. If we racked up 899 yards of offense in a game but only scored 10 points and lost does it matter? No. We still lose because we didn't score. The only reason the offense has the ball is to put points on the board. That's the "whole" reason they are out there.

..and you think he worked "miracles" with our offense who had/has as much talent as us? By finishing middle of the pack downward in scoring? Your expectations must have been extremely low then.

Yea yea yea, I heard all about the pts scored vs yardage and total offense. We were talking rankings of the offense, pts scored wasn't specified. I was referring to the offense as a whole. As for the weapons we have and we have many, none of them are any good if not held accountable, disciplined, focused, and works hard which is instilled by your HC. The HC sets the tone, WP didn't do that....

 

[Doomsay]

It's so old it's been taken down, but Mosley reported it at the time.

Yes, this is from January of '08.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2008/01/garretts_staff_shaping_up_nicely.html

Garrett's staff shaping up nicely
10:34 AM Tue, Jan 29, 2008 | Permalink
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So much for the Tuna's raid of Valley Ranch giving Wade Phillips an opportunity to hire "his guys."

If Jerry guy Dave Campo and Dom Capers round out the Cowboys' coaching staff, Phillips will have exactly zero experience working with any of the defensive position coaches. But the Cowboys will be set up awfully well for the eventual transition into the Jason Garrett era.

Garrett reportedly wanted Capers to be his defensive coordinator if he became the head coach in Baltimore. Jerry is on the record saying WR coach Ray Sherman is a "future coordinator" who "knows this system inside and out." So, if Capers comes on board, Garrett's coordinators will already be in the building. And it's not too tough to envision Campo becoming the assistant head coach.

The only assistant the Cowboys hired this off-season that Phillips has worked with before is OL coach Hudson Houck. Their paths crossed briefly in San Diego, but Matt Mosley reported that Phillips wanted to hire ex-Kansas City offensive coordinator Mike Solari but was vetoed by Jerry.

Houck has a lot more experience with Garrett than Phillips, having worked with the red-headed genius during Garrett's playing days in Dallas and his QB coach days with the Dolphins.

The addition of experienced, intelligent coaches could be a great thing for Phillips. But, if the Cowboys don't enjoy enough success to suit the guy making the hires, the transition to the next head coach is setting up to be seamless.

Thanks, I remember reading that and a lot of fans referencing it in this forum.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yea yea yea, I heard all about the pts scored vs yardage and total offense. We were talking rankings of the offense, pts scored wasn't specified. I was referring to the offense as a whole. As for the weapons we have and we have many, none of them are any good if not held accountable, disciplined, focused, and works hard which is instilled by your HC. The HC sets the tone, WP didn't do that....

And im saying that how many points an offense scores is how they should be ranked. Period.. because its all that matters.

Again, Garrett was soley in charge of the offense. You can't blame Wade for any mistakes made by JG.



That being said i hope he turns out to be a great coach and hopefully we'll start winning some football games soon.. because i know i can't watch much more of the team i've seen out there the past couple weeks.

 

[Jimz31]

Yea yea yea, I heard all about the pts scored vs yardage and total offense. We were talking rankings of the offense, pts scored wasn't specified. I was referring to the offense as a whole. As for the weapons we have and we have many, none of them are any good if not held accountable, disciplined, focused, and works hard which is instilled by your HC. The HC sets the tone, WP didn't do that....

That all depends on what you believe the make up of this team was when it came to the HC, OC and DC....if you believe that Wade was the HC but only had control of the Defense, and JG was on control of the Offense, then everything that happened on Defense was due to Wade....just like everything happening on Offense was due to JG.

Yes, we DID have great STATS as far as yards etc....but what really matters is points, bottom line.

Now, the only caveat to that is how is practice run? Was JG hampered by how WP ran practice? Did they run it together or were they at separate ends of the field working on things? I doubt that was the case...but we will see.

 

[Mansta54]

And im saying that how many points an offense scores is how they should be ranked. Period.. because its all that matters.

Again, Garrett was soley in charge of the offense. You can't blame Wade for any mistakes made by JG.



That being said i hope he turns out to be a great coach and hopefully we'll start winning some football games soon.. because i know i can't watch much more of the team i've seen out there the past couple weeks.

Yes but WP was incharge of the mentality, accountabilty, discipline, work ethic, and focus of the ENTIRE TEAM. That's the job of the HC, the OC can't overstep the HC and say no we're gonna practice longer. It all comes down to the HC, its his show.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes but WP was incharge of the mentality, accountabilty, discipline, work ethic, and focus of the ENTIRE TEAM. That's the job of the HC, the OC can't overstep the HC and say no we're gonna practice longer. It all comes down to the HC, its his show.

You can't argue it all you want. Bottom line.. JG was in charge of the offense. I don't believe you can coach some of those things you mentioned either. You can try, but when it comes down to it.. its up to the players how focused they are, what they're work ethic is, and what their focus is going into a game. Players have to hold themselves accountable in the end. A coach can push you in the right direction, but you as a player only take in as much as you care to. They're grown men.


It was Garrett's job to run the offense, it was their job to go out there and produce. Our offense did a decent job the past few years, but as a team we went out and won football games the past few years. So call that whatever you want.

 

[Hostile]

That's not what he said at all. He said when you bring a head coach in and tell him that we already have a guy here who will be the head coach in a few years no matter how good or bad you do, and he'll be working on your staff as the "assistant head coach", who's also in charge of the entire offense.

There's a BIG difference. Before you question people's intelligence and knowledge you should do some thinking yourself.. and maybe stop questioning the intelligence of the posters who come to your website everyday and make this board into what it is.

Bob Bratkowski is one example. Mike Zimmer was another example. Coaches do inherit coordinators just like Wade inherited Jason.

These are absolute facts that you guys can't seem to accept. You think stuff happens here that doesn't happen elsewhere in the NFL and it indicts Jerry and this team. It is nonsense,

 

[Mansta54]

You can't argue it all you want. Bottom line.. JG was in charge of the offense. I don't believe you can coach some of those things you mentioned either. You can try, but when it comes down to it.. its up to the players how focused they are, what they're work ethic is, and what their focus is going into a game. Players have to hold themselves accountable in the end. A coach can push you in the right direction, but you as a player only take in as much as you care to. They're grown men.


It was Garrett's job to run the offense, it was their job to go out there and produce. Our offense did a decent job the past few years, but as a team we went out and won football games the past few years. So call that whatever you want.

Sorry dude but this right here tells me that you've either never played organized sports or never played for a hardnosed demanding HC before..

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Bob Bratkowski is one example. Mike Zimmer was another example. Coaches do inherit coordinators just like Wade inherited Jason.

These are absolute facts that you guys can't seem to accept. You think stuff happens here that doesn't happen elsewhere in the NFL and it indicts Jerry and this team. It is nonsense,

You're failing to see the point.

Obviously coaches inherit coordinators.. but they don't do so while being told at the same time that they have to work with those guys on your staff because they are the future head coach whether you do well or not.


...and most coaches that "inherit" coordinators, do so because they agree to keep them on the staff, not because the owner says that they must stay and that's that.

Again, BIG difference.

 

[Hostile]

Yeah, for some reason the guy has been very "hostile" towards anyone that isn't a Garrett fan.

Most of the people on this board that aren't Garrett fans will praise the guy if he wins.

But for some reason, if we don't think he is the second coming of Landry, then we don't live in the "real" world.

Not true Mike. Me and Stash have had some awesome debates about Garrett. If guys take shots at me, I will fire back. That is just a fact of life.

I said no one has patted themselves on the back that he is here, and I stand by that. No one here has taken credit.

That's a pat on the back Mike. Taking credit.

People here are happy he is the new guy. That isn't taking credit. That isn't slapping their own back. That is celebrating something they wanted.

There is a huge difference.

I was asked point blank if I am happy. I said no. 1-7 does not make me happy.

 

[Plankton]

Bob Bratkowski is one example. Mike Zimmer was another example. Coaches do inherit coordinators just like Wade inherited Jason.

These are absolute facts that you guys can't seem to accept. You think stuff happens here that doesn't happen elsewhere in the NFL and it indicts Jerry and this team. It is nonsense,

Is the standard now how the Bengals operate? Isn't that an indictment in itself?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Sorry dude but this right here tells me that you've either never played organized sports or never played for a hardnosed demanding HC before..

Does that matter at all? Do i have to have played sports to understand the human psyche?

I did in fact play a sport through college, and while i was in high school i played for a team that won the state tournament 2 times out of my 4 years there and has a track record for being one of the best teams in the state year after year. I also played for a coach in hs who has experience playing professionally.

That being said, there were certainly people on the team who were more focused and who worked harder than others. Me in particular in fact. I was never as physically gifted as some of the other guys on the team so i busted my *** twice as hard as some of them. Its going to be like that on any team so i fail to see your point.