News: It is official! Zeke suspended 6 games **merged**

[mattjames2010]

Which they have absolutely.

The question is consistency in ruling, which is a hot mess.

First off, the court will decide this if Zeke takes it that far. Secondly, with what we have right now, this does not seem to be the case at all.

 

[erod]

there are comps for this. brady case has no comps in terms of number of games.
there is employment law in terms of consistent treatment of employees.

and @speedkilz88 just said that the 2 women were punching each other. bruises dont show immediately.

They have the video. The league says they weren't.

 

[waldoputty]

They have the video. The league says they weren't.

there you go, you have already proven their bias since everyone including the league has the affidavit.

the league's own words can and almost certainly will be used against it in trial as their assessment does not agree with the affidavit.

 

[Chuck 54]

she has falsified evidence and she has every financial incentive to have those bruises.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just sharing what I read that led a panel to think Zeke did something. The only thing I read about her was her trying to get a friend to say she saw what happened when she didn't. Is that what you mean about falsifying evidence, or is there something else I don't know about?

 

[erod]

First off, the court will decide this if Zeke takes it that far. Secondly, with what we have right now, this does not seem to be the case at all.

The court can't decide this. "Conduct detrimental" is all encompassing and completely at Goodell's whim.

That is why after Brady's victory was overturned.

 

[erod]

there you go, you have already proven their bias since everyone including the league has the affidavit.

The affidavit is disputed by the actual video of the incident.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

They have the video. The league says they weren't.

What video?




YR

 

[erod]

What video?




YR

The video of the fight between the two girls.

 

[Sydla]

Just for perspective:

My wife and I spend a few days in a hotel. There are pictures and witnesses supporting that she looked normal the day before. A few days later, she has bruises on her wrists, arms, and a black eye. She says I roughed her up; I say that's all bull, that I only restrained her to allow me to leave the room. He said-she said. There are conflicting stories, maybe she even tried to get someone to say they saw something they weren't around to see. Now she's a bad witness, so the case is dropped. But a medical examiner can look at the injuries and say that based on coloring, the injuries definitely occurred over those same days we were in the hotel. Someone questions me, and I say "hey, maybe it happened at work or in a fight." They look into both of those, and there are witnesses that say nothing happened at work, and there was a tussle where the two ladies pulled hair, but no punches or wrestling. Now I say "maybe she fell down stairs."

This isn't going to court when there's no witness and my wife is not a credible witness because she tried to get a friend to say she saw what happened. Still, I can guarantee you everyone is going to believe I did something and that the odds are that I caused those bruises.

There's no proof other than my wife's bruises that were incurred while we were on vacation. It's her word against mine, but no witness. Only my very closest friends are likely to believe me. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this is what led to the decision that was shared with Roger Goddell.

The flaw in your logic though is that there is basis for questioning her accounts. She clearly lied about the last incident, the NFL acknowledges that and yet they still then considered her more credible than Elliott.

That's fairly ridiculous unless the NFL has Elliott lying himself in his testimony to them.

 

[mattjames2010]

The court can't decide this. "Conduct detrimental" is all encompassing and completely at Goodell's whim.

That is why after Brady's victory was overturned.

The Brady case is NOT SIMILAR TO THIS, stop bringing it up - someone tried this yesterday and Fuzzy ripped them apart. Go read that thread - I'm not going in circles

AGAIN, the ruling is based around if he abused her or not - that is where the 6 games came in. There is a reason why this will most likely go to court - you saying the court has no authority to overrule this is you being ignorant of this all.

If they had no power, it would never even reach that level. Zeke can appeal and can have this sent to a judge to review and rule on. The court CAN overturn this and reduce or eliminate his suspension altogether.

 

[waldoputty]

The affidavit is disputed by the actual video of the incident.

and you tell me the video shows all angles during all times of the fight (not another separate fight) ...
seems u r trying to take every possible excuse to discredit any evidence in Zeke's case.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The video of the fight between the two girls.

Show us where there is a discussion of the video of a fight between Thompson and another girl.

I haven't read anywhere that it says that.



YR

 

[Chuck 54]

She was also with her friends, and also went to work, also was at her home - this is not enough evidence to pin it on him.

I don't give a **** what they felt - this hinges on sufficient evidence he abused her. Until this evidence is released, there is nothing you can go off of that they have sufficient evidence to keep this suspension.

It's one thing to say he should be suspended for his names being in the headlines and tarnishing the NFL brand - it's another to suspend him because they say he abused her, which is exactly why he got a 6 game suspension. This is far different.

Until they release these emails/texts, it's speculation and you don't have enough to go on. What we DO HAVE is evidence showing she lied to police and a lawyer or at the very least, tried to get her friend to do so.

I agree with you, but you're wrong about pinning it on him. They don't need court proof; they only need to believe it happened and that Zeke is the most logical explanation for the injuries. That may not be fair, but in the workplace that's enough, apparently. This decision wasn't made by Goddell. I'm not arguing the evidence. I'm just saying what was said about the decision. They are not required to meet legal standards to suspend a guy for a short time in an entertainment industry. If they cannot do it, we will certainly see that soon enough.

 

[erod]

The Brady case is NOT SIMILAR TO THIS, stop bringing it up - someone tried this yesterday and Fuzzy ripped them apart. Go read that thread - I'm not going in circles

AGAIN, the ruling is based around if he abused her or not - that is where the 6 games came in. There is a reason why this will most likely go to court - you saying the court has no authority to overrule this is you being ignorant of this all.

If they had no power, it would never even reach that level. Zeke can appeal and can have this sent to a judge to review and rule on. The court CAN overturn this and reduce or eliminate his suspension altogether.

LOL, you're completely wrong.

The league can rule by feel all they want because of its conduct clause. That's what the Brady case decided.

In fact, Zeke's case might not even be heard.

 

[erod]

Show us where there is a discussion of the video of a fight between Thompson and another girl.

I haven't read anywhere that it says that.



YR

David Moore spoke of this in great detail yesterday.

 

[DCthrashin]

I don't understand how, just because the fight didn't involve punches, that there's no way she didnt sustain some of those bruises from it.
Secondly, I would think that if Zeke did abuse this woman that her bruises would look much worse.

Also, hasn't Zeke lawyers come out already saying that have a slew of new information and evidence to exonerate Zeke?

 

[mattjames2010]

I agree with you, but you're wrong about pinning it on him. They don't need court proof; they only need to believe it happened and that Zeke is the most logical explanation for the injuries. That may not be fair, but in the workplace that's enough, apparently. This decision wasn't made by Goddell. I'm not arguing the evidence. I'm just saying what was said about the decision. They are not required to meet legal standards to suspend a guy for a short time in an entertainment industry. If they cannot do it, we will certainly see that soon enough.

I have never said Goodell needed it - I am saying, if this gets taken to court, that there will need to be sufficient evidence for the suspension. This is why this stuff goes there, now obviously, a judge can always go either way - you would hope a judge would have little bias in the matter.

I am saying if they go to court and the only evidence they offer up is similar to the evidence that has been released, there is a good chance this suspension is reduced significantly or completely.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

David Moore spoke of this in great detail yesterday.

Link?



YR

 

[erod]

and you tell me the video shows all angles during all times of the fight (not another separate fight) ...
seems u r trying to take every possible excuse to discredit any evidence in Zeke's case.

No, I'm not. I haven't seen any of it.

The DA believed her. The NFL believed her. And in this situation, that's all the NFL needs to render this punishment. I wish they'd get out of this business and let the courts handle this kind of stuff. It's over Goodell's head to conduct an investigation of this sort.

 

[erod]

Link?



YR

The Ticket. For a half hour.