News: It is official! Zeke suspended 6 games **merged**

[Melonfeud]

That's ok -- we don't have to be friends.

That's a plus in your wisdom column,,,cuz' we damn sure ain't ,,,pal.

 

[waldoputty]

Honestly that's not my point my friend. My point is he thinks going to Harvard means nobody can say he is stupid or doesn't make sense and that's not true at all. Going to a certain school doesn't exclude you from being told that and if he thought it did maybe he was doing untoward things to pass his double major lol.

idiots in many schools except MIT and Caltech.
but you have to be insane to go those.

any way, if he were to have misled on that point, it would undercut everything else he said.
much like the way it should have undercut the statements of the ***** given the reported attempt to falsify evidence.
anyways i can verify he did not misled.

going back to the beer thread, later.

 

[sacase]

That's not a federally administered polygraph but I hear what you are saying. Lifestyle and CI poly's are a little diff than that one.. Zeke could take 3-4 poly's by different people, if he passes all with flying colors I'd say that is good enough. Not much else he could do at that point. If he knows he would fail, I bet he wont get near it.

We are talking millions of dollars here in salary/endorsements. He should WANT the poly if he is as not guilty as everyone is making out.....

I have been poly'd. It's a waste I refuse to do it again, and i have nothing to hide.

 

[beacamdim]

Bold is true also I'm sure but sometimes it can be as simple as people that are from Philly want to goto school in their hometown lol. Its all good my friend even though I still say going to a certain school doesn't mean you can't be stupid or not make sense on something.

Like I said, you are absolutely right about your last point!

 

[Philmonroe]

Ha -- I'm not saying that at all!

I've been called stupid many times before -- and some of those times I actually was!

I don't think I am here tonight, though. You are welcome to your own opinion.

You might not be saying it but you sure were implying it and you didn't mean to. I haven't called you stupid once in this thread. If I did my bad. I commented on what you said regarding bring up schooling and that was it.

 

[beacamdim]

You might not be saying it but you sure were implying it and you didn't mean to. I haven't called you stupid once in this thread. If I did my bad. I commented on what you said regarding bring up schooling and that was it.

Never even meant to imply that --- honest. I should know -- while I am not too stupid about many things, I sure as heck am about others. And, no, you never called me stupid -- sorry if I was unclear about that.

 

[xwalker]

Half. I did a double concentration (Harvard's highfalutin name for "major") in History (primary) and Government (secondary).

A Giants fan on a Cowboys board claiming he went to Harvard with a double major.




Replace ESPN with Giants.

 

[beacamdim]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/11/ezekiel-elliott-suspension-appeal-legal-process

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"'Even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained-for authority,” Parker wrote in the ruling. “Here, that authority was especially broad.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...542076-0b11-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html

Stop trying to gaslight everyone you disagree with. You just come across as an arrogant, insecure jerk.

Someone is hung up on FuzzyLumpkins. Speaking of insecure, I haven't interacted with you in a long time and cannot even recall what has you so upset. You seem to have been holding onto something for a very long time. I did like that passive aggressive stab citing the D-K effect. When I didn't respond you just had to let me have it. How droll.

I don't think what we are discussing are very difficult topics. IF I have made a mistake we could discuss the particulars. Somehow I doubt you have the courage to do that. Instead you will go for this generalized whinging.

BTW, I was talking about the issue of fairness. I quoted the portion of the ruling that addressed that several times in this thread. It basically boils down to whether or not Goodell held Zeke to a different standard. If you are going to claim that someone doesn't know what they are talking about at least have the decency to understand what they are talking about. Else you look pretty ignorant.

PS I think you should look up what gaslight means.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just to put the mail in the coffin of the notion that our recent troll is full of ****, recall him saying that fundamental fairness was subsumed by the CBA. I found this:

http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-14/52-procedural-due-process-criminal.html

Fundamental fairness is a well established legal standard where we are all guaranteed fundamental fairness in a legal proceeding as outlined by the constitution. Now I have to admit that I made a mistake in thinking that it was speaking to equal treatment as to employer's punishments but I cannot fathom how a legitimate lawyer would not know that much less claim that Goodell and the CBA Trump everything. I admit that I am not a lawyer. Please excuse my mistake.

The Constitution still trumps everything, Goodell included.

It still dug at me though. I have had experiences in my life where employers I have worked with had gotten in hot water over inequitable punishments and I can recall Doty and Nelson taking the NFL to task over it in past cases. I did some digging and I found this:

Unequal Treatment
Some employers have formal disciplinary policies, such as progressive discipline where employees are given two to three warnings for poor performance, policy violations or workplace misconduct. If the employee engages in the same behavior or actions for which she received disciplinary warnings or write-ups, the company may decide to fire her. Employers are cautioned to apply the same disciplinary procedures in all cases or they could be accused of unequal treatment. For example, if a department manager fires an employee because he was absent from work three days in a row, yet another department manager gives the employee one written disciplinary warning, that would probably be defined as unequal treatment, because the department managers have inconsistent practices concerning discipline and termination. There's no federal law that can determine how employers must apply their disciplinary processes; however, there are laws that require that employers apply the disciplinary rules consistently, regardless of the department or employee circumstances.

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/federal-labor-laws-regarding-discipline-termination-56444.html

That is what I thought. Anywho, the Brady Case would not have had those issues. It was within a completely different domain, game integrity vs criminal, and had no precedent. All these people saying that Zeke has no leg to stand on are not considering this facet of labor law.

The Conduct policy was amended a few years ago. bkight referenced it earlier in this thread:

Twice it mentions convicted or arrested....Zeke was never even charged

The policy further says: "If you are convicted of a crime or subject to a disposition of a criminal proceeding, you are subject to discipline. But even if your conduct does not result in a criminal conviction, if the league finds that you have engaged in conduct [prohibited by the policy], you will be subject to discipline."


The Personal Conduct Policy is issued pursuant to the commissioner's authority under the NFL Constitution and Bylaws to define and sanction conduct detrimental to the NFL. The policy defines the standards that apply to everyone in the NFL and the steps the league will take to promote conduct that is consistent with those expectations.

"Anyone arrested or charged with conduct that would violate this policy will be offered a formal clinical evaluation, the cost of which will be paid by the league, and appropriate follow-up education, counseling or treatment programs," the policy states.

I think it important to see how they defined a "disposition of a criminal proceeding"

“Disposition of a Criminal Proceeding” – Includes an adjudication of guilt or admission to a criminal violation; a plea to a lesser included offense; a plea of nolo contendere or no contest; or the disposition of the proceeding through a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, conditional dismissal, or similar arrangements.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/12/10/0ap3000000441637.pdf

Basically if they take you to court or if you agree to a plea deal then you are subject to discipline. Zeke was never even charged nor was his case even brought before a grand jury. The DA dropped it. Arrest is never mentioned as a basis for discipline.

Now if you say to that "Goodell has the authority to do whatever he likes" then again I point to you that Federal Labor Law does not allow unequal punishment. He cannot hide behind the new conduct policy. It does not apply. He has to punish Zeke just like he punished the others without the new policy since he is not using it this time either.

Zeke has a very good case.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Thanks for this reference. Angry fans aren't being objective about this. Good, fair, impartial men and women were brought in to look at this.

It's not some wild conspiracy.

 

[Zordon]

fuzzy dropping truth bombs like usual.

 

[LittleD]

There's been loads of discussion over the last 20 hours on this topic and loads of back and forth. Here's what I see that makes it imperative that Zeke and Jerry start lining
up lots of lawyers. In the end, what we have is a young, impetuous, Black football player never charged with a crime of DV. What we have on the NFL side is a power hungry
NFL Commissioner who has been given the power to wield frontier justice by the players. IMVHO, what we have witnessed is a clear case of Racial/Gender bias by the NFL and a
history of unequal treatment of certain players on the issue of DV. I do think Zeke has a very strong case to take to the MN courts even if he eventually loses. There's little doubt that Zeke
brought a lot of this trouble on himself and he and the team will ultimately have to pay the price for it whatever it is. I wish the player's union were stronger and would call for a walkout
over this issue but, sadly money talks more loudly these days.

 

[Nightman]

Now if you say to that "Goodell has the authority to do whatever he likes" then again I point to you that Federal Labor Law does not allow unequal punishment. He cannot hide behind the new conduct policy. It does not apply. He has to punish Zeke just like he punished the others without the new policy since he is not using it this time either.

Well argued and there have already been several cases adjudicated under the new DV policy and almost NO ONE has gotten the full 6 games yet and they were all at least arrested and charged

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...six-game-suspension-domestic-violence-policy/

One problem: The league policy mandating a six-game suspension for domestic violence has been flouted by the league so many times as to be rendered meaningless. When the NFL announced the policy, it was sold as mandating a six-game suspension, with the possibility of a longer suspension if there were “mitigating factors.” But domestic violence suspensions are often for less than six games, with the NFL never explaining whether any “mitigating factors” contributed to a shorter suspension.

 

[4lifecowboy]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/11/ezekiel-elliott-suspension-appeal-legal-process

There is a whole different route Elliott can take as far as sueing Goodell and the NFL. He could go the route of this ruling severely damaging his brand, they are basically labeling him as a woman beater without any real proof, enabling him to capitalize on his brand in the prime of his career.

 

[drawandstrike]

As long as people are making Brady- Zeke comparisons, consider the NFL admits Elliott cooperated with the investigation in all matters. Brady destroyed evidence, a phone that the NFL wanted to examine, so he not only refused to cooperate, he went so far as to destroy a phone the NFL has specifically demanded to examine.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is a whole different route Elliott can take as far as sueing Goodell and the NFL. He could go the route of this ruling severely damaging his brand, they are basically labeling him as a woman beater without any real proof, enabling him to capitalize on his brand in the prime of his career.

The legal standard for defamation is malice which is hard to prove. The league will claim they were looking out for the league and made a mistake.

 

[4lifecowboy]

The legal standard for defamation is malice which is hard to prove. The league will claim they were looking out for the league and made a mistake.

Malice can be established if evidence that contradicts their claims was ignored.

 

[Risen Star]

 

[Shinaoi]

Is it true we are most suspended team, but only 17th in actual crime?