It was bound to happen sooner or later

[burmafrd]

probably why he allowed himself to be taken alive. He can sit back and enjoy comfort and his notoriety. He will be a celebrity in their prison system.

 

[casmith07]

suspect in the attacks: a "right-wing Christian fundamentalist" according to CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/23/norway.suspect/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[burmafrd]

reading elsewhere, they are not calling him that. But then CNN does that sort of thing.

Read where the attack on that island lasted for 2 hours. Incredible; where was the police and the military?

 

[Ren]

reading elsewhere, they are not calling him that. But then CNN does that sort of thing.

Read where the attack on that island lasted for 2 hours. Incredible; where was the police and the military?

Down town Oslo looking for more bombs, took 30 minutes to get a swat team on to the island

I find it amazing that a camp which the PM was supposed to make an apperance had no security in place at all

 

[burmafrd]

Down town Oslo looking for more bombs, took 30 minutes to get a swat team on to the island

I find it amazing that a camp which the PM was supposed to make an apperance had no security in place at all

THAT is totally inexcuseable. Talk about being soft and stupid.

 

[hairic]

reading elsewhere, they are not calling him that. But then CNN does that sort of thing.

Read where the attack on that island lasted for 2 hours. Incredible; where was the police and the military?

I imagine it's a bit tougher when it's somoene sharing a policeman costume. Would have to clear all officers on site and give them distinct markers beyond their uniform/badge beforehand so they don't try to arrest/shoot each other. You'd get a lot of wasted police time otherwise, with officers wasting time while wasting another officer's time.

 

[vta]

Good Lord, is he Brad Pitts brother?

 

[Ren]

Time lines for this is all over the place but the Oslo police confirmed it took 90 minutes to get swat, before swat got there, there was no cops on the island. Their explanation for this is not being able to get a boat to transport them

Completely unacceptable

 

[burmafrd]

I imagine it's a bit tougher when it's somoene sharing a policeman costume. Would have to clear all officers on site and give them distinct markers beyond their uniform/badge beforehand so they don't try to arrest/shoot each other. You'd get a lot of wasted police time otherwise, with officers wasting time while wasting another officer's time.

well the guy shooting people would be somewhat easy to spot, right?

 

[zrinkill]

well the guy shooting people would be somewhat easy to spot, right?

:laugh2:

 

[TheRat]

Since there's a no politics rule here i'm not going to say much other then this is what happens when you're so arrogant and naive to think it never will. Nor am i going to share my thought on giving Taliban leaders asylum here while our troops are fighting them in Afganistan...

Oslo has been a soft target for years, i'm surprised it took this long for something like this to happen. Every time there's been a terrorist threat politicians and police brush it off saying this is Norway we're to nice no one will ever attack us.

The terrorist who struck Oslo is an anti-Muslim Christian.


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/6/15/633806659824585780-EpicFail.jpg

 

[burmafrd]

The terrorist who struck Oslo is an anti-Muslim Christian.


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/6/15/633806659824585780-EpicFail.jpg

He was talking about others that have been given asylum there.

 

[Ren]

The terrorist who struck Oslo is an anti-Muslim Christian.


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/6/15/633806659824585780-EpicFail.jpg

I never said he wasn't, that comment was a shot at how naive Norway has been about security and I probably know more about what goes on here then you ever will. Reason why i made that original post is a lot of people here have been waiting for something like this to happen, hence the thread title.

Norway has been completely naive, doesn't matter much who did it and what the motives where with the way the government here dealt with potential threats. Norway is the nice guys everyone loves us, only not everyone does so it's absolutely ******** to base your security policies or lack there of on it.

There has been numerous threats against Norway made in recent years and they've all been brushed aside with the same arrogant and naive thinking that no one will ever do anything here. This guy bought 6 tons of artificial fertilizer for a company registered at a small Oslo appartment even the most incompetent security agencies would have raised an eyebrow seeing that had they been paying attention to such things, but in Norway no one did, hopefully that will change now.

And you see the results of that thinking

The guy blows up a bomb in the middle of down town Oslo with said fertilizer then proceeds to go on a killing spree at a youth camp where the PM was supposed to attend and does so uninterrupted for 90 minutes because there was no security there at all, none.

Norway has flirted with disaster for years by amongst other things granting asylum to "ex" taliban leaders that our troops are actively waging war against in another country, just because it wasn't them who did this does not mean they could not pull something like this off, it's not like they haven't been actively making threats even from inside Norway, Mulla Krekar does this almost on a weekly basis from a nice comfortable government payed apartment in Oslo. Norway has never taken any threats seriously even with sobering example of what that can lead to happening all over the world on quite a regular basis. The fact that it was a home grown terrorist that struck does in NO WAY validate these policies or the complete lack of security. If anything it should be a wake up call

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I never said he wasn't, that comment was a shot at how naive Norway has been about security and I probably know more about what goes on here then you ever will. Reason why i made that original post is a lot of people here have been waiting for something like this to happen, hence the thread title.

Norway has been completely naive, doesn't matter much who did it and what the motives where with the way the government here dealt with potential threats. Norway is the nice guys everyone loves us, only not everyone does so it's absolutely ******** to base your security policies or lack there of on it.

There has been numerous threats against Norway made in recent years and they've all been brushed aside with the same arrogant and naive thinking that no one will ever do anything here. This guy bought 6 tons of artificial fertilizer for a company registered at a small Oslo appartment even the most incompetent security agencies would have raised an eyebrow seeing that had they been paying attention to such things, but in Norway no one did, hopefully that will change now.

And you see the results of that thinking

The guy blows up a bomb in the middle of down town Oslo with said fertilizer then proceeds to go on a killing spree at a youth camp where the PM was supposed to attend and does so uninterrupted for 90 minutes because there was no security there at all, none.

Norway has flirted with disaster for years by amongst other things granting asylum to "ex" taliban leaders that our troops are actively waging war against in another country, just because it wasn't them who did this does not mean they could not pull something like this off, it's not like they haven't been actively making threats even from inside Norway, Mulla Krekar does this almost on a weekly basis from a nice comfortable government payed apartment in Oslo. Norway has never taken any threats seriously even with sobering example of what that can lead to happening all over the world on quite a regular basis. The fact that it was a home grown terrorist that struck does in NO WAY validate these policies or the complete lack of security. If anything it should be a wake up call

Well said.

In any Internet forum, there's a general tendency for posters to let their biases cloud their interpretation of what they're reading. They respond to what they think is being said rather than what is actually being said.

I've certainly done it.

 

[burmafrd]

IT is the mentality of the soft, lazy and ignorant. Those that have never had to make hard choices, suffer or pay a price. A lot of Europe is like that.

 

[TheRat]

I never said he wasn't, that comment was a shot at how naive Norway has been about security and I probably know more about what goes on here then you ever will. Reason why i made that original post is a lot of people here have been waiting for something like this to happen, hence the thread title.

Norway has been completely naive, doesn't matter much who did it and what the motives where with the way the government here dealt with potential threats. Norway is the nice guys everyone loves us, only not everyone does so it's absolutely ******** to base your security policies or lack there of on it.

There has been numerous threats against Norway made in recent years and they've all been brushed aside with the same arrogant and naive thinking that no one will ever do anything here. This guy bought 6 tons of artificial fertilizer for a company registered at a small Oslo appartment even the most incompetent security agencies would have raised an eyebrow seeing that had they been paying attention to such things, but in Norway no one did, hopefully that will change now.

And you see the results of that thinking

The guy blows up a bomb in the middle of down town Oslo with said fertilizer then proceeds to go on a killing spree at a youth camp where the PM was supposed to attend and does so uninterrupted for 90 minutes because there was no security there at all, none.

Norway has flirted with disaster for years by amongst other things granting asylum to "ex" taliban leaders that our troops are actively waging war against in another country, just because it wasn't them who did this does not mean they could not pull something like this off, it's not like they haven't been actively making threats even from inside Norway, Mulla Krekar does this almost on a weekly basis from a nice comfortable government payed apartment in Oslo. Norway has never taken any threats seriously even with sobering example of what that can lead to happening all over the world on quite a regular basis. The fact that it was a home grown terrorist that struck does in NO WAY validate these policies or the complete lack of security. If anything it should be a wake up call

The mayor of Oslo - who I dare say probably knows more than you about the country - has a different take, “I don’t think security can solve problems. We need to teach greater respect.” If you take a look at this monster's recently released manifesto you would see that he has a serious lack of respect for other people. Maybe Europeans should stop demonizing foreigners and learn to see immigration as a boon to their country (it certainly has done America well). It is this demonizing of foreigners by certain segments of the European population that has led to this massacre.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The mayor of Oslo - who I dare say probably knows more than you about the country - has a different take, “I don’t think security can solve problems. We need to teach greater respect.” If you take a look at this monster's recently released manifesto you would see that he has a serious lack of respect for other people. Maybe Europeans should stop demonizing foreigners and learn to see immigration as a boon to their country (it certainly has done America well). It is this demonizing of foreigners by certain segments of the European population that has led to this massacre.

Norway can teach greater respect while simultaneously improving its security measures. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[ajk23az]

Norway can teach greater respect while simultaneously improving its security measures. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Dont bother. Know who you are trying to persuade here...

 

[TheRat]

Norway can teach greater respect while simultaneously improving its security measures. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Never said they were. And I probably wouldn't even go as far as the mayor. Security can solve some problems.

However, in this particular instance the primary problem here is not the lack of security, but the lack of respect for other people. Specifically the jingoistic ideology of certain segments of the European population. That is what led to this massacre.

 

[hairic]

well the guy shooting people would be somewhat easy to spot, right?

You'd think so, but not necessarily. Maybe if they had a respectable response time, not half an hour-couple hours. He would have been moving more than firing at that point, if not conserving/out of ammo.

The sad thing is he had plenty of time to escape or repeat it somewhere else, but decided to stay. With a change of clothes and swim to shore, he could have done either. It probably wasn't in his plans that there would be such a slow response.