It was one pick, not armageddon!

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's not the only question then.
Would it have been better to sign multi time pro bowl Safety Eric Weddle or use the 4th overall pick on a safety/corner with 3 career interceptions in over 40 games?

I would have liked to have picked up Weddle but there is a big difference, IMO, in Weddle and Miller. Miller is young enough to impact this team for a longer period of time and play out a contract. Weddle, I don't think that's the case. However, it's still a good question. The difference, at least to me, is that I the Front Office made a big production over why we could not and would not invest in a RB and how it would impact the team adversely, in terms of position value and cap.

 

[erod]

Yah, its hard for me to accept when most of the other people had Ramsey rated higher. Then there are the other factors to consider:

-We could get a great back in rounds 2 and 3
-It would be rare to get a stud defensive player in rounds 2-3
-RB's last about 5 years in this league
-CB's can go 10 years
-Money and draft picks are better spent on the corner then the RB
-defense was a much bigger need than RB was.

Polian didn't rank Ramsey higher. Casserly didn't. McClay didn't. Elliott will have a vastly bigger impact on the NFL the next five years than Ramsey. Just watch.

You could have gotten a really good back......who couldn't pass protect or catch the ball at all.

Rare in rounds 2 or 3? They're all over the league.

Great running backs last far longer than 5 years. Almost ALL of them.

Corners become safeties after a few years if they're lucky.

Corners are easy to take out of games.

There are a lot more picks coming, Scandrick is back, Thornton was signed, Mayowa was signed.

 

[Nightman]

With one pick we completely wrapped up a skill position for 6 years.....I can't see a better use of a premium pick.....

 

[Spectre]

It's armageddon, alright... for the rest of the league.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

People either don't realize how good this OL is, or don't think it matters much.

Rushing yards in one-score games
as a percentage of total rushing yards
2015 McFadden 80.6%
2014 Murray 63.6%

Thank you sir.

 

[JoeKing]

We might be 3 games better now but who is cheering for 7-9? We don't get heavily involved in FA anymore so we have to build through the draft. Our draft picks of late are not amounting to anything I'm going to pay good money to go see in person. I'm so disappointed.

 

[Frosty]

What? Elliot is only playing one year?

all this complaining. this team is going to take ogbah or dodd at 34, I have read they like the end from Montana also.

when the suspensions are over in October this team could be 5 deep at defensive end and they are all young and terrific athletes.
we can be four deep at dt and we have three young linebackers behind lee, mcclain and Wilber.

the idea that this defense is like the 2013 one is incorrect. We have 8 picks left plus they are trying to move leary.

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Like Elliot but at 4 it was a reach. It's show this team is trying to fix its past problems of letting Murray walk. But 8 picks....Jerry an Stephen have a horrible track record outside of the 1st round. They get Jags an special teamers, so don't expect to much from here on out or let the Jones sell you they found superman in round 3 or 4. Look at past drafts.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Polian didn't rank Ramsey higher. Casserly didn't. McClay didn't. Elliott will have a vastly bigger impact on the NFL the next five years than Ramsey. Just watch.

You could have gotten a really good back......who couldn't pass protect or catch the ball at all.

Rare in rounds 2 or 3? They're all over the league.

Great running backs last far longer than 5 years. Almost ALL of them.

Corners become safeties after a few years if they're lucky.

Corners are easy to take out of games.

There are a lot more picks coming, Scandrick is back, Thornton was signed, Mayowa was signed.

RBs in aggregate peak at 27. This is historical fact.

 

[erod]

RBs in aggregate peak at 27. This is historical fact.

Zeke is 20.

So if he starts winding down at 28 and 29, that's 10 solid seasons.

AWESOME!

 

[theebs]

Like Elliot but at 4 it was a reach. It's show this team is trying to fix its past problems of letting Murray walk. But 8 picks....Jerry an Stephen have a horrible track record outside of the 1st round. They get Jags an special teamers, so don't expect to much from here on out or let the Jones sell you they found superman in round 3 or 4. Look at past drafts.

The term reach like the term need is foolish to me. If the player you like is there you take him. Elliot is going to come right in and make a difference.

The generalization you are using here about the rest of the draft is the result of group think and people listening to pretend experts and insiders.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Zeke is 20.

So if he starts winding down at 28 and 29, that's 10 solid seasons.

AWESOME!

The RB drop is precipitous. Meanwhile Ramsey would still be commanding Norman money on the open market.

Again. Opportunity cost.

 

[theebs]

Hey pat kirwan called the pick smart.

 

[erod]

The RB drop is precipitous. Meanwhile Ramsey would still be commanding Norman money on the open market.

Again. Opportunity cost.

Not for great backs, it isn't. It's relative from where the drop begins.

An average back loses a step, and he's useless. A great back loses a step, and he's still above average.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Not for great backs, it isn't. It's relative from where the drop begins.

An average back loses a step, and he's useless. A great back loses a step, and he's still above average.

I'm glad we spent the 4th on a player who is more likely to get hurt due to his position and who we'll be paying superstar money to be above average on just his 2nd contract.

Awesome!

 

[BrassCowboy]

It shows the incompetence of our organization and just the complete lack of forward thinking.

And let's face facts, the days of Jerry actually wheeling and dealing and fleecing a team in a trade int he draft and having the Cowboys come out on top are long gone. I guess business has changed because his negotiation skills are a joke.

We took a Big-10 RB in an Urban Meyer system with not nearly the athleticism and explosiveness of Adrian Peterson 4th overall when Peterson was taken 7th overall. We were supposedly offered a trade with the Ravens that we didn't take. Jerry trying to claim the Ravens were taking EE is nonsense. They had no reason to pick him up when they had been looking at Stanley, Tunsil and Ramsey all along. So we could have traded down, still gotten EE and then used that trade down to then trade up and get Lynch.

Meanwhile, we missed in what Mike Mayock called a 'once in a generation defensive back' on a team that desperately needs DB's. And as far as Mayock goes, he's got a great track record with judging DB's (likely because he was a former CB himself).

We'll go 8-8 again and move to 17th in the draft and Romo will eventually have to retire and we'll be stuck trying to find a replacement with the 17th overall pick that has to start right away. So then we'll give up the farm to move up the draft to hopefully get a QB that can play.




YR

well you are missing the point about not trading down a few spots with Baltimore. Neither Jacksonville nor Blatimore were taking Elliot, but a number of teams would of traded with Jacksonville to get in front of us. So best move was to stay.
Think you are over analyzing the comparison od AP to Elliot. Elliot does it all. Block, catch, and even a little running

 

[bsbellomy]

How did EE make defense easier? We ran for 4.6 ypc last year with no qb and no wr. We held the ball for only 1 minute fewer on offense last year than in 2014 with no qb and no wr.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

So how exactly did those stats translate into us putting points on the board? How about you tell us the conversion rate on 3rd and short yardage situations in 2015 vs 2014?

One of the things that allowed an average defense to have more success in 2014 was that they were playing from ahead so often. Our defense can't and won't get better until we get better from the offense.

 

[Wood]

I guess I knew there would be a meltdown on the board by a good chunk of the population. I understand the argument against taking a RB that high in the draft, and I'm still not sure about how I feel overall about it.

But ...

To those of you arguing that we should have used the pick on defense, here's what I'm not able to wrap my head around. I do indeed understand that we need to shore up our defense.

This was only one pick.

Yes, it was the highest we've picked in years. But let me ask you a question: would a Jalen Ramsey or DeForrest Buckner have really improved our defense that dramatically this year?

I think if we took all of our remaining picks and spent them on offense, our defense would probably be in about the same shape as we were heading into 2014. Right? We might be a shade better at the safety position with Byron Jones, and maybe Cedric Thornton improves the line a little, but for the most part, it would be a wash .

So, lets say even if we quit the 2016 draft right now, ruling out any health issues, we're pretty much at the same talent level on defense, and maybe a bit better on offense than the 2014 team we fielded that made it to the playoffs.

But here's the thing ...

We still have 8 (?) more picks to improve our defense. And there are some pretty talented players left on the board.

I guess what I'm saying is, in the big picture, why don't we wait and see how the rest of the draft pans out before we decry that our defense is going to drag us down to the abyss in 2016.

The way I see it, we're probably a bit better (on paper) talent-wise than we were heading into 2014 ... and we have several draft picks ahead of us that could really tip the scale pretty heavily in our direction!

meltdown?? Everyone I know now thinks Dallas is legit contender.

 

[Iago33]

Thank you.

The naysayers act like #4 could have gotten two defensive ends, a corner, a safety, and a middle linebacker.

It's one dude. Dallas has more picks. Spence, Jack, Ogbah, Dodd, Robinson, Reed, Bullard, Ragland......they're all there. Thornton was signed, Scandrick is back.

Elliott made defense easier for the defense. He made offense easier for the offense. He's a godsend for Dez and Romo.

It was the right pick. Period.

From my perspective, you want a pick at #4 who is hopefully going to be a 12-15 year anchor on your team. Even if Elliot is good, we won't get more than 5-6 good years out of him.

 

[erod]

I'm glad we spent the 4th on a player who is more likely to get hurt due to his position and who we'll be paying superstar money to be above average on just his 2nd contract.

Awesome!

Apparently you missed the careers of Ladanian Tomlinson, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Thurman Thomas, Adrian Peterson, and 30 others.

And yes, I firmly believe he's in that class.

 

[erod]

From my perspective, you want a pick at #4 who is hopefully going to be a 12-15 year anchor on your team. Even if Elliot is good, we won't get more than 5-6 good years out of him.

That is ridiculous.

How many years did San Diego get out of LT? Dallas out of Emmitt?

Look how many fans wanted Demarco back a couple of months ago.