It Would be Dumb to Draft a QB in the 1st This Year

[pjtoadie]

5th year team option, which is why drafting a QB - even if he's only a second round grade - in the first, makes a ton of sense.

Exactly! It's not like we'd have to give him a JaMarcus Russell type contract...

 

[Sydla]

We are drafting for need when we draft another CB in the first.the QB position sunk us this year and not any DB.

And when we took Claiborne because we needed a CB, that was a mistake. The team basically admitted that. But in recent years, the team seems to have gone BPA in the first round.

If this team drafts a QB with their Top Ten pick because they think they NEED a QB and pass on guys that are still on the board that we have higher on our own draft board, that's a mistake. Plain and simple.

You take the best player available with your Top Ten pick. Or you even consider trading it if the draft breaks a certain way for the team and pick up some other picks.

 

[craig71]

Would it be dumb to draft a QB in the first? If he wasn't the top rated player on your board it would be. On the other hand, if the QB is there and is the top rated player it would be dumb not to take him.


Craig

 

[Sydla]

Would it be dumb to draft a QB in the first? If he wasn't the top rated player on your board it would be. On the other hand, if the QB is there and is the top rated player it would be dumb not to take him.


Craig

Bingo.

It's not rocket science here.

 

[reddyuta]

And when we took Claiborne because we needed a CB, that was a mistake. The team basically admitted that. But in recent years, the team seems to have gone BPA in the first round.

If this team drafts a QB with their Top Ten pick because they think they NEED a QB and pass on guys that are still on the board that we have higher on our own draft board, that's a mistake. Plain and simple.

You take the best player available with your Top Ten pick. Or you even consider trading it if the draft breaks a certain way for the team and pick up some other picks.

Good news .I believe we will have the top 2 ANd high on our list going by their evaluation of Johnny football.

 

[Sydla]

What evaluation of Johnny Football? Seems the only person who evaluated Johnny Football was Jerry and he got overruled by just about everyone else in the draft room.

 

[sbark]

If our scouts think there is a franchise QB in this class we should take him. If not don't waste a pick just for the sake of taking a QB. Developing QB's is a myth.

That's the part that worries me...........did our scouts tell mngt and coaches that Weedon could progress in our system? Did the scouts say the kid from West texas could grow into our scheme? Did they feel the same way about Stephen Mcgee? Did they miss the boat on Moore who they left unprotected....................do they have any handle on scouting QB's in general............

Maybe our scouts should join in and advice Garrett that its his scheme.....it well appears the only player that can thrive in it is a top 5 level QB, remove that ability from the equation and the team looses 7 out of 8 games or worse.

 

[reddyuta]

What evaluation of Johnny Football? Seems the only person who evaluated Johnny Football was Jerry and he got overruled by just about everyone else in the draft room.

Correct but Jerry mentioned they had first rd grade on him .Lynch and Goff are better prospects too.

 

[Doc50]

And when we took Claiborne because we needed a CB, that was a mistake. The team basically admitted that. But in recent years, the team seems to have gone BPA in the first round.

If this team drafts a QB with their Top Ten pick because they think they NEED a QB and pass on guys that are still on the board that we have higher on our own draft board, that's a mistake. Plain and simple.

You take the best player available with your Top Ten pick. Or you even consider trading it if the draft breaks a certain way for the team and pick up some other picks.

You simply must trust your evaluations and scouts, and the big board as you've constructed it.

There will always be value -- someone will fall.

I see us with a top 5 pick that we swap 1st rounders on, and take BPA at 15-25.

 

[Sydla]

Correct but Jerry mentioned they had first rd grade on him .Lynch and Goff are better prospects too.

Well that first round grade must have been at the bottom of the first round because they also said Martin was the highest guy on their board at that pick. They may see Lynch and Goff as middle of the pack first rounders and not worthy of being selected at 6 or 7.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think it would be stupid at all.

Fact is, I still believe we run away with this division if Romo and Dez are healthy. Mainly because the division stinks.

The problem that the Packers faced with Rodgers is that the rookie deals were far more expensive with relation to the cap. And they STILL sat him out of 3 years. With a rookie QB, we can get that QB for 4 years at a much cheaper deal. That's why Parcells was reluctant to draft Matt Ryan...at that time there was no rookie cap and he felt it was too risky to draft a QB, especially one that he felt needed to sit out a year. So he drafted Jake Long and Chad Henne in the 2nd round. And it was STILL the wrong move in the end.

The reality of the situation is that if you want a really good QB, you most likely need to draft that QB in the top-15 of the draft and that has to be a legit top-15 talent. Sure, there are some Dalton's, Russell Wilson's and Tom Brady's out there, but they are the exception, not the rule.






YR

 

[CF74]

Correct but Jerry mentioned they had first rd grade on him .Lynch and Goff are better prospects too.

Do u see either of those two worthy of a Top 5-10 Pick?

 

[texbumthelife]

We have to start drafting QBs every year. A top 5 pick this year has to be a QB or more picks for a QB next year.

It's not cheap but first round picks can be controlled for 6 years before they hit UFA. They can always be traded if Romo can stay healthy.

As if this team doesn't already lack depth, you want to draft a QB every season--the only position where only one guy plays? How do you even have a chance to evaluate a guy when you select someone new every year? Gross overreactions like this are exactly why this roster is a mess.

 

[Sydla]

I don't think it would be stupid at all.

Fact is, I still believe we run away with this division if Romo and Dez are healthy. Mainly because the division stinks.

The problem that the Packers faced with Rodgers is that the rookie deals were far more expensive with relation to the cap. And they STILL sat him out of 3 years. With a rookie QB, we can get that QB for 4 years at a much cheaper deal. That's why Parcells was reluctant to draft Matt Ryan...at that time there was no rookie cap and he felt it was too risky to draft a QB, especially one that he felt needed to sit out a year. So he drafted Jake Long and Chad Henne in the 2nd round. And it was STILL the wrong move in the end.

The reality of the situation is that if you want a really good QB, you most likely need to draft that QB in the top-15 of the draft and that has to be a legit top-15 talent. Sure, there are some Dalton's, Russell Wilson's and Tom Brady's out there, but they are the exception, not the rule.






YR

Just for the sake of debate if the season ended today and you looked at the 12 teams that would make the playoffs.............. only 5 of the 12 teams have QBs taken in the Top 15 of the draft.

That doesn't mean you don't take a QB in the Top 15 if you can grab one and that player is high on your board. But it also means that drafting a QB with a Top 15 pick because you think that's the only way to get a QB (and you might even reach for one at your draft spot) might not also be the only solution.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Just for the sake of debate if the season ended today and you looked at the 12 teams that would make the playoffs.............. only 5 of the 12 teams have QBs taken in the Top 15 of the draft.

That doesn't mean you don't take a QB in the Top 15 if you can grab one and that player is high on your board. But it also means that drafting a QB with a Top 15 pick because you think that's the only way to get a QB (and you might even reach for one at your draft spot) might not also be the only solution.

I think part of the issue is that teams can reach like the Vikings did with Ponder and the Dolphins did with Tannehill. Although another part of the problem is that these QB's are starting right away in large part because they are top-15 picks. I think with the rookie pool, it's much more feasible to have a rookie QB sit a year or two and learn because it won't kill your cap as much.

I think if you look at the best QB's in the game, you have:

Brady (6th round)
Roethlisberger (11th overall)
Flacco (18th overall)
Dalton (2nd round)
Luck (1st overall)
Rivers (4th overall)
A. Smith (1st overall)
P. Manning (1st overall)
E. Manning (1st overall)
Romo (UDFA)
Stafford (1st overall)
Rodgers (24th overall)
Newton (1st overall)
Ryan (3rd overall)
Brees (33rd overall)
Wilson (3rd round)
Palmer (1st overall)

Out of those 17 QB's, 10 of them were drafted in the top-18 in the draft. Nearly half of them (8) were drafted in the top-10.

If we are to look at future QB's (undecided about how good they may become), we have:

Tannehill (8th overall)
Manziel (22nd overall)
Mariota (2nd overall)
Bortles (3rd overall)
Osweiler (57th overall)
Carr (36th overall)
Cousins (102nd overall)
Bridgewater (32nd overall)
Winston (1st overall)


We see a similar pattern....probably need to draft in the top-15. Carr shows the most potential of guys outside the top-15. Manziel more or less slipped because of off the field concerns. Osweiler has beaten the Patriots...and that's it. Bridgewater has been abysmal this year. And Kirk Cousins seems to be more or less an average system QB. The guys drafted in the top-15 are not any great shakes either. But, that only shows me that there's more to it than just drafting any QB in the top-15, even if he has the talent. You had better have a good supporting cast around him.





YR

 

[silver]

Romo plays 3 more years

LOL

Jerry will claim Romo got younger since he hardly got hit this season. Only to the tune of two broken clavicles but other than that he'll be 35 all over again next year.

 

[reddyuta]

Do u see either of those two worthy of a Top 5-10 Pick?

I do.Goff is a safer pick and probably can play right away but I am intrigued by Lynch too.He has all the tools and more you look for in a QB with terrific arm and movement skills.He just needs to learn the game more coming from a smaller school with simplified offense.

 

[CF74]

I do.Goff is a safer pick and probably can play right away but I am intrigued by Lynch too.He has all the tools and more you look for in a QB with terrific arm and movement skills.He just needs to learn the game more coming from a smaller school with simplified offense.

I may have to start watching some of their games, sounds intriguing...

 

[Hardline]

Romo plays 3 more years

LOL

He might.
He might not.

 

[Nightman]

As if this team doesn't already lack depth, you want to draft a QB every season--the only position where only one guy plays? How do you even have a chance to evaluate a guy when you select someone new every year? Gross overreactions like this are exactly why this roster is a mess.

This year changed my mind forever on this.

It is never possible top have too many good QBs.

We don't need any more 2nd round TEs or injured LBs.