It Would be Dumb to Draft a QB in the 1st This Year

[waving monkey]

I think part of the issue is that teams can reach like the Vikings did with Ponder and the Dolphins did with Tannehill. Although another part of the problem is that these QB's are starting right away in large part because they are top-15 picks. I think with the rookie pool, it's much more feasible to have a rookie QB sit a year or two and learn because it won't kill your cap as much.

I think if you look at the best QB's in the game, you have:

Brady (6th round)
Roethlisberger (11th overall)
Flacco (18th overall)
Dalton (2nd round)
Luck (1st overall)
Rivers (4th overall)
A. Smith (1st overall)
P. Manning (1st overall)
E. Manning (1st overall)
Romo (UDFA)
Stafford (1st overall)
Rodgers (24th overall)
Newton (1st overall)
Ryan (3rd overall)
Brees (33rd overall)
Wilson (3rd round)
Palmer (1st overall)

Out of those 17 QB's, 10 of them were drafted in the top-18 in the draft. Nearly half of them (8) were drafted in the top-10.

If we are to look at future QB's (undecided about how good they may become), we have:

Tannehill (8th overall)
Manziel (22nd overall)
Mariota (2nd overall)
Bortles (3rd overall)
Osweiler (57th overall)
Carr (36th overall)
Cousins (102nd overall)
Bridgewater (32nd overall)
Winston (1st overall)


We see a similar pattern....probably need to draft in the top-15. Carr shows the most potential of guys outside the top-15. Manziel more or less slipped because of off the field concerns. Osweiler has beaten the Patriots...and that's it. Bridgewater has been abysmal this year. And Kirk Cousins seems to be more or less an average system QB. The guys drafted in the top-15 are not any great shakes either. But, that only shows me that there's more to it than just drafting any QB in the top-15, even if he has the talent. You had better have a good supporting cast around him.





YR

strong argument

 

[ghst187]

If any of the QBs grade out as being worthy of a high first like Lynch or Goff then anyone that has the chance but passes is making a mistake. The QB position is everything and if you don't have a really good one then your team has zero chance. Most teams don't get too many opportunities to draft in the top ten or five but if you are then that usually correlates to a problem at the QB position. The last time we took a QB in the top five it worked out pretty well for us. The last time Green Bay had the chance to get a top rated QB anD took it EVEN though they had one in his latter days, it worked out pretty well for them. They never had to endure a long tenure of non competitiveness like we did because we didn't go after any except Quincy carter in round two. We got extremely lucky to find a franchise guy as a UDFA. That almost never happens. Jerry has been incessant about trying to wildcat (oil reference) the QB position and got lucky once but it's not likely to happen again. At some point we have to bite the bullet and use a high draft pick. Look around the league and you'll find that most of the good QBs were drafted in the first round. Also there aren't too many QBs floating around as FAs because a team wouldn't let them go if they were that good in the first place, the position is the most important by a huge margin. If we don't bite the bullet and start using draft picks, probably high, on a QB then we could easily get stuck in irrelevance for another 15 years again. Not 100% saying that we have to find someone this draft, but saying we need to start planning to take one if he's there and we like him. QBs are simply everything in today's game.

 

[jblaze2004]

romo have been hurt the past couple of year. Seems like he gets hurt easier as time go by. The hits romo take (even after he throws the ball) are starting to take effect. He broke his clavical 3 times, Twice this year. The hits romo took that injured him this year didn't even look bad. I seen other qb's take more and get right up. Everytime Romo gets hit now Im like I hope he gets up. Romo should also stop putting his arm down when he is falling. I believe that could be why his clavical broke twice. He always try to put his arm down while falling. Or maybe other qb's are better equiped than romo to take hits. I seen Culter take the same hit romo took from big pot roast Terrance Knighton on the Commanders Dline and he popped right up. I thought for sure cutler would of been injured.

 

[texbumthelife]

This year changed my mind forever on this.

It is never possible top have too many good QBs.

We don't need any more 2nd round TEs or injured LBs.

I agree 100% in regards to injured players and TEs. However, it is next to impossible to give Romo the reps he needs, plus groom one young guy, let alone multiple. Picking a QB every year would be a disaster. They need to get a good backup and a young guy they think could be the future. Where that young guy comes from really isnt important.

Im fairly certain i recall Garrett being a fan of Glennon when he came out. Hes a young, cerebral guy who can make all the throws and has enough athleticism to aviid the pass rush. If they can get him for a mid round pick it makes a lot of sense. If he bombs, they havent invested much and can go after someone in the draft next season.

 

[Nightman]

I agree 100% in regards to injured players and TEs. However, it is next to impossible to give Romo the reps he needs, plus groom one young guy, let alone multiple. Picking a QB every year would be a disaster. They need to get a good backup and a young guy they think could be the future. Where that young guy comes from really isnt important.

Im fairly certain i recall Garrett being a fan of Glennon when he came out. Hes a young, cerebral guy who can make all the throws and has enough athleticism to aviid the pass rush. If they can get him for a mid round pick it makes a lot of sense. If he bombs, they havent invested much and can go after someone in the draft next season.

I don't have the confidence that we will get it right at first. That is why I think we have to go all in until we find one but we have to start right away.

We need to keep 3 QBs on the roster and one on the PS squad as long as Romo is #1. The #2 should be a vet but not necessarily his replacement. #3 and #4 should be young, possible franchise QBs.

 

[texbumthelife]

People comparing this to the Rodgers situation need to stop. Its not even remotely similar. Green Bay was stacked with talent already and a top 10 guy slid to them. I dont think anyone would complain if we had the talent that roster did and tookna Goff or Lynch after a bad slide. This team need a player that will see the field immediately with that first pick. We dont have the talent or pedigree that Green Bay team had.

All that said, that pick was so clearly the exception, not the rule, that it barely warrants mentiom. Piitsburgh, New England, San Diego the list goes on and on of teams with quarterbacks entering their twilight and theyre not jumping at any qb with a pulse.

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't have the confidence that we will get it right at first. That is why I think we have to go all in until we find one but we have to start right away.

We need to keep 3 QBs on the roster and one on the PS squad as long as Romo is #1. The #2 should be a vet but not necessarily his replacement. #3 and #4 should be young, possible franchise QBs.

Good luck keeping a young potential franchise QB on the practice squad. If we go three deep at quarterback, then where do we go short?

 

[Nightman]

Good luck keeping a young potential franchise QB on the practice squad. If we go three deep at quarterback, then where do we go short?

They have to have high ceilings or what's the point. Don't be afraid to lose a guy or two slipping them to the PS. Stay aggressive.

I would clearly "short" LBs and/or TEs vs QBs. It is a QB driven league.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It is a QB driven league.

Those that don't have one know the playoffs are nothing but a dream each year. That, would really suck.

 

[texbumthelife]

They have to have high ceilings or what's the point. Don't be afraid to lose a guy or two slipping them to the PS. Stay aggressive.

I would clearly "short" LBs and/or TEs vs QBs. It is a QB driven league.

So draft a QB each year, then be prepared to lose them when stashing them on the practice squad? In other words, be prepared to knowingly waste picks each year?

I know where your heart and mind are and I get it, that is a disaster of a plan though. It takes 2-3 years to see what you have in a QB when there isnt an entrenched starter, let alone when there is. Get a young guy, get a veteran and allow the kid to learn at a good pace. Throwing picks at it solves nothing without the time and opportunity to learn and show what he can do.

 

[Nightman]

So draft a QB each year, then be prepared to lose them when stashing them on the practice squad? In other words, be prepared to knowingly waste picks each year?

I know where your heart and mind are and I get it, that is a disaster of a plan though. It takes 2-3 years to see what you have in a QB when there isnt an entrenched starter, let alone when there is. Get a young guy, get a veteran and allow the kid to learn at a good pace. Throwing picks at it solves nothing without the time and opportunity to learn and show what he can do.

You know guys have been found outside the draft like Romo. Those are the guys you stash,

Try bringing something substantial next time. Your whining about trying to fix the problem annoying.

QBs just don't fall out of trees, you have to spend time and resources to find them and you can also trade them when you finds someone better.

 

[texbumthelife]

You know guys have been found outside the draft like Romo. Those are the guys you stash,

Try bringing something substantial next time. Your whining about trying to fix the problem annoying.

QBs just don't fall out of trees, you have to spend time and resources to find them and you can also trade them when you finds someone better.

You're the one who said draft a quarterback every year. I am simply responding to what you said. Try remembering your own comments next time:

We have to start drafting QBs every year. A top 5 pick this year has to be a QB or more picks for a QB next year.

It's not cheap but first round picks can be controlled for 6 years before they hit UFA. They can always be traded if Romo can stay healthy.

Disagreeing with your pissing and moaning isn't "whining" it's debating. I even tried to be kind in my last post and sympathize with your reasoning. Get some class.

This place has gone absolute clown shoes lately.

 

[Nightman]

You're the one who said draft a quarterback every year. I am simply responding to what you said. Try remembering your own comments next time:



Disagreeing with your pissing and moaning isn't "whining" it's debating.

This place has gone absolute clown shoes lately.

I explained myself pretty clearly.

This year I would:

Sign a vet like Kap, RGIII or Manziel if they are released
Draft Goff or Lynch if there or Cook or Hackenburg in the second
Then I would draft or sign a guy like Dak Prescott late or in UDFA. A guy with upside.

Next year I would promote Goff/Cook to be the main backup
I would draft another QB to start to groom at some point in the draft
I still look for gems in UDFA

Next year if Romo is gone I have a QB in Goff.
I draft another QB at some point.
I trade Prescott or Draft2017 guy if I need to.

Once I get a real QB you can relax on drafting one every year but I won't pass up talented prospects just because I have a good one.

 

[Sydla]

I explained myself pretty clearly.

This year I would:

Sign a vet like Kap, RGIII or Manziel if they are released
Draft Goff or Lynch if there or Cook or Hackenburg in the second
Then I would draft or sign a guy like Dak Prescott late or in UDFA. A guy with upside.

Next year I would promote Goff/Cook to be the main backup
I would draft another QB to start to groom at some point in the draft
I still look for gems in UDFA

Next year if Romo is gone I have a QB in Goff.
I draft another QB at some point.
I trade Prescott or Draft2017 guy if I need to.

Once I get a real QB you can relax on drafting one every year but I won't pass up talented prospects just because I have a good one.

So let's say the Cowboys are sitting at #4 in this draft. Their board has shaped up like this:

#2 Ramsey
#3 Hargreaves
#4 Tunsil
#5 Smith
and then
#12 Lynch

Who you taking? Let's also say that the value in trading down isn't there and the Cowboys have to make a pick at #4.

 

[texbumthelife]

I explained myself pretty clearly.

This year I would:

Sign a vet like Kap, RGIII or Manziel if they are released
Draft Goff or Lynch if there or Cook or Hackenburg in the second
Then I would draft or sign a guy like Dak Prescott late or in UDFA. A guy with upside.

Next year I would promote Goff/Cook to be the main backup
I would draft another QB to start to groom at some point in the draft
I still look for gems in UDFA

Next year if Romo is gone I have a QB in Goff.
I draft another QB at some point.
I trade Prescott or Draft2017 guy if I need to.

Once I get a real QB you can relax on drafting one every year but I won't pass up talented prospects just because I have a good one.

Ok, so I don't understand why you attacked me when all I did was reply directly to your comments? Comments you then decided to "clarify" after I made mine. You may have the wrong thread, because you never said any of that in this one. You didn't explain yourself at all. You got defensive even when I said I understood where you were coming from.

The closest you came to explaining was:

We need to keep 3 QBs on the roster and one on the PS squad as long as Romo is #1. The #2 should be a vet but not necessarily his replacement. #3 and #4 should be young, possible franchise QBs.

You're not going to know what you have in a rookie QB for 2-3 years in most cases. So, for 2-3 years, you want to draft a QB each year, while having Romo for at least two of those years? So after year three years, when we know what we have in that rookie if he has had a chance to play, we will have five quarterbacks on the roster, 2-3 of which we have no real idea about because they've gotten no shot at real game time and that's IF other teams do us the service of not plucking them from our practice squad.

......And this doesn't seem like lunacy and complete overreaction to you?

 

[texbumthelife]

So let's say the Cowboys are sitting at #4 in this draft. Their board has shaped up like this:

#2 Ramsey
#3 Hargreaves
#4 Tunsil
#5 Smith
and then
#12 Lynch

Who you taking? Let's also say that the value in trading down isn't there and the Cowboys have to make a pick at #4.

Ramsey. Shut it down. Good night.

 

[Nightman]

Ok, so I don't understand why you attacked me when all I did was reply directly to your comments? Comments you then decided to "clarify" after I made mine. You may have the wrong thread, because you never said any of that in this one. You didn't explain yourself at all. You got defensive even when I said I understood where you were coming from.

The closest you came to explaining was:


You're not going to know what you have in a rookie QB for 2-3 years in most cases. So, for 2-3 years, you want to draft a QB each year, while having Romo for at least two of those years? So after year three years, when we know what we have in that rookie if he has had a chance to play, we will have five quarterbacks on the roster, 2-3 of which we have no real idea about because they've gotten no shot at real game time and that's IF other teams do us the service of not plucking them from our practice squad.

......And this doesn't seem like lunacy and complete overreaction to you?

You attack my plan and call it a a disaster and a waste and I responded in kind.

Your plan is to trade for Mike Glennon and pass on Paxton Lynch. No thanks.

 

[Nightman]

So let's say the Cowboys are sitting at #4 in this draft. Their board has shaped up like this:

#2 Ramsey
#3 Hargreaves
#4 Tunsil
#5 Smith
and then
#12 Lynch

Who you taking? Let's also say that the value in trading down isn't there and the Cowboys have to make a pick at #4.

That isn't a real board but if I had to pick I take Lynch in a heartbeat.

 

[visionary]

All of this is just noise and s counsel of despair that I just don't buy and chalk it up to a lack of cojones

Here is the fact: of the top 4 QBs drafted this year, at least 1 will be a top 10 QB and another will be a top 15 QB 5 years from now

It is up to our 'great' GM and FO to draft the right QB

Period

 

[texbumthelife]

You attack my plan and call it a a disaster and a waste and I responded in kind.

Your plan is to trade for Mike Glennon and pass on Paxton Lynch. No thanks.

Trade for Glennon (vet with potential) and draft Hogan (third round pick probably). Use our first and second round picks for players who can make an immediate impact. Not that far off from your plan. I just don't condone using picks in back-to-back-to-back drafts. That's a useless waste and misappropriation of resources. If we trade back to the middle or late first, then I wouldn't be opposed to taking one of the top quarterbacks. I just think that value is better spent if we are top five.