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It's about that time ladies and gents, hang it up on Jason Witten

Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by acer941, Nov 29, 2014.

  1. BAZ

    BAZ Drunken Mick

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    Glad we agree.
  2. CowboyStar88

    CowboyStar88 Well-Known Member

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    We don't agree.. But there is no point in arguing with a drunk. I'm done have a good one
  3. BAZ

    BAZ Drunken Mick

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    You were done before you started petal.
  4. CowboyStar88

    CowboyStar88 Well-Known Member

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  5. Next Years Champ

    Next Years Champ Active Member

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    It seems to me the problem is not Witten.

    But what they are asking Witten to do..

    such as constantly blocking to help Murray run and to stay in and protect Romo.

    Its hard to get separation when you are trying to stop the pass rushing end from blindsiding your QB.

    I mean..let's take it further..

    Escobar is failing..too.

    And Hanna is in the Twilight Zone..

    and Romo continues to not find Williams anymore..

    see a pattern?


    He needs to be changed out.

    He's regressing rapidly..

    his INTs are increasing and his TDs are dropping off the charts.

    Let's discuss the real problems openly..no?
  6. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Moderator

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    He has been playing lights out this year. Since week one he has 21 TD's and only 5 INT's. Regressing rapidly? Hardly.
  7. Hoofbite

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    Not at all. Teams can restructure whenever they want so there's no need to guarantee any more money than absolute necessary on account of planning to restructure.

    Guaranteed base salaries are there when contracts are large and teams need to guarantee more money than they are willing to give out as a signings bonus.

    Joe Thomas had $44M guaranteed but only $6M as SB. Basically guaranteed the first 3 seasons, none of which were restructured.

    Tyron has base salaries guaranteed because he has a $100M contract and a signing bonus on par with his total guarantees would be ridiculous.

    I'm glad you pointed this out because the very feature of a dip in base salary that would indicate a possible intent to restructure is entirely absent from Tyron's contract.

    His base salary plateaus in 2015 and pretty much stays put for the following 6 years. What are they going to do, restructure every single year? His base salary is appropriate for his position and prorated total. That's what elite LTs cost and there's just no way around it.

    As for Romo, I think you're right in that the team had planned on restructuring 2015. That may have been the plan but given his health it probably shouldn't be the plan now.

    And look where they're at now. $13M CB who isn't playing like it, and even after 3 seasons the team will still have more dead money than he received as a signing bonus if he's cut.

    Both Romo and Carr are examples of why planned restructuring as a standard of practice is foolish. Health and future performance are not guaranteed and both can turn contracts bad. If either goes south restructuring leaves you with more dead money, which subsequentally means less cap dollars freely on hand to replace what you've lost or to acquire the production you weren't previously getting. Not only do you have a new hole to fill, you're less suited to address it.

    So which years of his contract don't get restructured? His base salaries basically don't move. They can make them guaranteed to prorate whenever they want so any incentive to restructure guaranteed money exists for non-guaranteed money as well. There's no difference between guaranteed and non-guaranteed base salaries in terms of restructuring.

    Furthermore, with 4 seasons under his belt Tyron will now be a vested veteran and his base salary will become guaranteed if he's on the roster for the first game of each season moving forward. In that case they'll definitely prorate every year's base salary, right?

    It's pretty much all the same, and it's only by choice that a team would restructure either guaranteed or non-guaranteed base salaries in any particular year compared to another with similar figures.

    After restructuring 2015 and 2016 his cap figure would presumably be around $15M in 2017 and 2018.

    What do you think they will do with these years?


    Then why did they drag it out and have the last minute meeting just before free agency? This is ridiculous at face value and the numbers are even more outlandish.

    He's counting $8.5M against the cap in dead money this year. He had, IIRC, $4M in prorated money assigned to this year if he had been kept and those cap charges cannot be adjusted. That means Ware agreed to drop his base salary from around $12.25M to $4.5M and Dallas passed on that?

    Please. Every media outlet noted his refusal to take a pay cut.

    [​IMG]mike fisher @fishsports

    BREAKING: @1053Thefan has learned - DeMarcus Ware won't budge. #cowboys inform him of plan to release him.

    People keep saying this. So what?

    It sounds great because that would be awesome in the real world, but it doesn't get the team anywhere they couldn't be with solid cap management. Having the ability to cover past mistakes by freeing up excess cap space in a single year and indefinitely moving money down the line are two different things. Both give you a quick fix for bad dealings, but one puts you in a position to be worse off when additional contracts go bad.

    Seriously, what ability have they gained that isn't available to teams with cap space through solid cap management?

    It also doesn't mean anything because it doesn't even touch at the reality that the team has been restructuring just to get under. You don't get huge chunks of bonus space every single year in order to raid the free agent pool. You get that for the first year you restructure, maybe 2, but after that you're basically just restructuring to get back to level each year.

    Perhaps an "interest free payday loan" may be more appropriate. Maybe even a series of them. Taking advances on next weeks check to pay this weeks bills, only to do the same thing in a week.

    Which would make this a good time to start weaning themselves off that habit. The last couple years of restructures haven't yielded anything for the team, just prevented them from having to potentially drop additional players.
  8. Next Years Champ

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    Depends on where you see his end value.

    When it comes to Romo..

    stats as you want to feature in your answer is OK..

    I 'm just tired of losing and stepping back as a Franchise under his leadership.

    The team is sputtering right now and on the verge of repeating its famous slides of the past

    Añd Romo is not getting better as the season goes on for whatever reason.

    And if he fails AGAIN to get to the playoffs and actually win once there..

    well it's going to be pretty hard on the members here.

    I'll leave it there.

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