zeroburrito
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or he could look like the qb's we had last year behind the same line and a really good running game. no benefit of the doubt should be given to wentz.
It's hard to believe, but some here really wanted Wentz over Dak
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or he could look like the qb's we had last year behind the same line and a really good running game. no benefit of the doubt should be given to wentz.
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@Risen Star still wants Wentz over Dak. He also lives with his parents, so......
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Winning and clutch performances will do that...crickets!
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Philly gave a ton of future resources to secure Wentz. Granted they got a 1st back in the Bradford trade, but man, it's all downhill from here for them. Very little draft collateral over the next two years.
Meanwhile, we secured our franchise QB with a 4th rounder, and all our draft picks intact.
Meanwhile, we secured our franchise QB with a 4th rounder, and all our draft picks intact.
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I liked Wentz out of college, but I was incredulous to him being the #1 overall pick. Watched him struggled against Montana State in the championship game and didn't like his throwing motion.
I think he's an incredible athlete. Big dude and moves really well. CANNON for an arm. But, I couldn't believe that the Eagles decided to make him the starter after so little preseason experience. And I think that is something they will regret because he isn't ready.
It's tough to judge QB's, but I think a bigger issue in this league is the development process of QB's. Teams like Philly don't understand that by throwing Wentz to the wolves when he has throwing mechanics issues and in particular isn't used to anything near the speed of the game is a bad idea because he's likely to never fix those issues. There's a lot about motor skill learning and skill acquisition that the league never researches on and they fall into the pressure of upsetting fans and the media for a year when they could take a year of poor play, get their QB ready to play and have a high draft pick to help the team.
They don't understand that research shows pretty clearly....confidence plays a large role in a person's ability to develop and acquire new motor skills. And when you take a player like Wentz that is not ready and struggles, he's far more likely to never improve or to make the learning process longer.
Dak's issues coming out where more about his footwork and operating under center. He corrected those right away and I've found that with QB's, it's much easier for a QB to correct footwork than a throwing motion.
It just seems easy for scouts and coaches to fall in love with certain things. They see Wentz's size and arm and how good he is on the chalkboard and they think that will make for a good QB. They fall in love with him 'standing in there and taking the big hit', but the fact is that the great QB's avoid the big hits.
It reminds me of Moneyball where the scouts are talking about how good of a hitter a prospect is going to be and Billy Beane asks 'if he's a good hitter, why doesn't he hit well?'
So far Wentz looks like the QB the scouts would say is a great QB and they have never asked the question of 'if he's such a great QB, why doesn't he QB well?'
YR
I think he's an incredible athlete. Big dude and moves really well. CANNON for an arm. But, I couldn't believe that the Eagles decided to make him the starter after so little preseason experience. And I think that is something they will regret because he isn't ready.
It's tough to judge QB's, but I think a bigger issue in this league is the development process of QB's. Teams like Philly don't understand that by throwing Wentz to the wolves when he has throwing mechanics issues and in particular isn't used to anything near the speed of the game is a bad idea because he's likely to never fix those issues. There's a lot about motor skill learning and skill acquisition that the league never researches on and they fall into the pressure of upsetting fans and the media for a year when they could take a year of poor play, get their QB ready to play and have a high draft pick to help the team.
They don't understand that research shows pretty clearly....confidence plays a large role in a person's ability to develop and acquire new motor skills. And when you take a player like Wentz that is not ready and struggles, he's far more likely to never improve or to make the learning process longer.
Dak's issues coming out where more about his footwork and operating under center. He corrected those right away and I've found that with QB's, it's much easier for a QB to correct footwork than a throwing motion.
It just seems easy for scouts and coaches to fall in love with certain things. They see Wentz's size and arm and how good he is on the chalkboard and they think that will make for a good QB. They fall in love with him 'standing in there and taking the big hit', but the fact is that the great QB's avoid the big hits.
It reminds me of Moneyball where the scouts are talking about how good of a hitter a prospect is going to be and Billy Beane asks 'if he's a good hitter, why doesn't he hit well?'
So far Wentz looks like the QB the scouts would say is a great QB and they have never asked the question of 'if he's such a great QB, why doesn't he QB well?'
YR
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Exactly. These troll posts about the armchair draft experts are foolish.
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Man leave this comparison alone already. Nobody thinkin about that fool Wentz right now. We can revisit next year when he gets the weapons his fans cry that he doesn't have.
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This thread reminds me of something (see Nick Foles)
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I didn't want Wentz before the draft or after the draft or now......so no not everybody wanted Wentz
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He is still in denial, just waiting for his chance to jump on Dak at 1 mistake haha
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Dak is doing well and I hope he continues to do well but say he is the best qb the NFL has ever seen is saying a lot. He has only played 10 games and I think guys like Brady, Montana, Unitas, P. Manning, etc. all who have won several SB's may have something to say about that. Let's not annoit the HOF oil on him just yet. If he wins several SBs than we can talk. I hope he wins several with the Boys but the best the NFL has to see is still up for debate.
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Play
Playing that game again? Who the heck knows? Hate these hypotheticals.
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Nope first time I am playing it.
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Why?