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ESPN just had Dr. Joy Brown(?) on talking about new relationships and how GB and Favre will adjust. I've seen it all now. A relationship doctor on ESPN telling us about the feelings involved in the Favre saga. :banghead:
 

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LOL. How could they deny him the job is he clearly beat out Rodgers? There'd be a riot in Green Bay if that happened. Favre was counting on management being pissed at his change of heart so he could use that "impasse" as an excuse to get the hell out of Dodge.

So you think he wanted out of Green Bay all along? I don't -- if the team had welcomed him back from the start, he would have loved to play for Green Bay. He knows he's got a great team there, he knows the system, he knows the players, adoring fans, etc.

There is going to be a riot in Green Bay anyways, should be fun! :laugh2:
 

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Im still holding out hope he goes to the NYJ so he can be reunited with this man
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JustSayNotoTO;2177976 said:
Im still holding out hope he goes to the NYJ so he can be reunited with this man

Country boy Favre and New York go together like oil and water. Can't go fishin' in Central Park, you country bumpkin!

Favre would wind up getting mugged by a transvestite in Times Square. :laugh2:
 

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cowboys2233;2177972 said:
So you think he wanted out of Green Bay all along?

Yes.

if the team had welcomed him back from the start, he would have loved to play for Green Bay.

Obviously not.

He knows he's got a great team there, he knows the system, he knows the players, adoring fans, etc.

Contradicted by the fact that he had the hots for Minnesota.
 

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lkelly;2177919 said:
Why does everyone quickly dismiss the Bucs? They did make the playoffs last season. Gruden has won a super bowl. Unless you think that Garcia is a better fit for that team, Dallas fans should want Favre in the AFC instead of in Tampa.
Gruden won a superbowl with Dungy's team.
 

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bbgun;2178004 said:
Obviously not.

How can you know that? When he (finally) decided he wanted to play, they basically said they moved on. He had the hots for Minnesota as a second option, because they're damn good and he could have stuck it to the Packers (and more specifically, Ted Thompson) twice a year.

His first option was to be welcomed back in Green Bay with open arms and adoration and pick up where he left off last year, IMO.
 

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cowboys2233;2178012 said:
How can you know that? When he (finally) decided he wanted to play, they basically said they moved on. He had the hots for Minnesota as a second option, because they're damn good and he could have stuck it to the Packers (and more specifically, Ted Thompson) twice a year.

His first option was to be welcomed back in Green Bay with open arms and adoration and pick up where he left off last year, IMO.

They had the press conference scheduled to welcome him back, and then he changed his mind...again.
 

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Rampage;2178009 said:
Gruden won a superbowl with Dungy's team.

I know, why this guy gets the respect he does is beyond me. The only reason he was able to dominate the Raiders in the SB is because he knew the inner workings and tendencies of that team, much like Sean Payton did with us. They knew exactly what they were running every time.

Since then, the Bucs have slowly degraded. But he has certainly proven himself to be a "quarterbacks coach," since he has like fifty of them on the roster. Of course, he hasn't gotten JACK SQUAT out of any of them besides Garcia, who has already proven to be a good veteran QB anyways. Gruden ain't jack.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2178013 said:
They had the press conference scheduled to welcome him back, and then he changed his mind...again.

When? If you're talking recently, what difference does it make if they gave him a PR-induced "welcome home?" It's obvious he was not welcome.
 

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cowboys2233;2178012 said:
How can you know that? When he (finally) decided he wanted to play, they basically said they moved on.

Right, because he left and they had no other option but to "move on." Then he selfishly put them in a bad position by changing his mind. The Packers were supposed to anticipate all of this happening?

He had the hots for Minnesota as a second option

First option. Get real.

because they're damn good

More selfishness on his part. And last time I checked, GB had a better season last year. No need to move on if you have confidence in your abilities.

and he could have stuck it to the Packers (and more specifically, Ted Thompson) twice a year.

Why would he want to do that? He's beloved up there, and the Packers have compensated him generously over the years. They even offered him $20 million just to sit on the couch.

His first option was to be welcomed back in Green Bay with open arms and adoration and pick up where he left off last year, IMO.

If you believe that, you're a fool.

Thankfully, I'm not the only one who "gets it."


Favre to blame for nasty divorce

By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports


GREEN BAY, Wis. – Aaron Rodgers dropped back, set his feet and prepared to release a routine slant pass when he heard the squeaky voice from behind the fence. The fourth-year quarterback paused during an individual drill late in the Green Bay Packers’ training camp practice Tuesday afternoon and spied a little boy, maybe 6, among the hundreds of spectators lining the Oneida Street side of Clarke Hinkle Field.

“We don’t love you,” the kid said. “You suck.”

Rodgers didn’t respond to the taunt, nor did he acknowledge the pockets of fans chanting “we want Brett” and “bring back Favre” at sporadic points during the practice. But given the way things had played out since a certain legendary quarterback’s dramatic return to Titletown less than 48 hours earlier, there was an obvious message that should have been delivered to the kids – and the people acting like them – going to pieces over the messy divorce between the Packers and Brett Favre.

The Aaron Rodgers era has begun in Green Bay, and if you don’t like that, you’re taking it out on the wrong quarterback.

“I know people are emotional, but that’s an interesting way of expressing yourself,” Rodgers told Y! Sports after Tuesday’s practice. “All I know is we have a really good team, and we’re excited to get ready for the season.”

It’s a season which, it now seems painfully clear, will take place without Favre in a Packers uniform for the first time since 1991. And if you want to know who’s most responsible for that, Packers fans, take a look at that No. 4 jersey in the mirror above your dresser.

There have been numerous tactical missteps made by Favre and the bosses he publicly suggested are dishonest – general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy – during this month-long saga, and Packers fans have a right to be frustrated at both camps. But if you believe that the quarterback soon will be leaving Green Bay, most likely via trade to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because those merciless meanies just didn’t want poor ol’ Brett around, you’ve got more than cheese clouding your head.

As McCarthy stated in his news conference after Tuesday’s practice, and as Favre himself had stated more clearly in his latest woe-is-me interview (this one to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen) earlier that morning, the reason the future Hall of Famer couldn’t come back to the Pack was that he can’t let go of his ill will toward his employers.

Rodgers, meanwhile, has every right to be bitter about the way things went down since Favre stepped onto the tarmac at Austin Straubel Airport on Sunday night. Yet he’s the one biting his lip and acting like the adult.

Let’s see it from his perspective: After waiting three years for his shot, and without much warmth or mentoring from the guy he was playing behind, Rodgers finally was told he was The Man after Favre’s tearful retirement news conference in March. Shortly before training camp, a story surfaced that Favre had the itch to return. Favre, via text message, dismissed the report as “just rumors,” which was a lie.

After floating his desire to come out of retirement, Favre waited for Thompson and McCarthy to embrace him as the reinstalled starter, just as he so often has demanded to be indulged over the latter part of his career. This time, they didn’t respond positively – partly because they didn’t believe he wanted to come back and play, partly because they already had committed to Rodgers and didn’t want to destroy their relationship with a talented quarterback they had spent years grooming, and partly because they were tired of being in a subservient position.

Favre got more and more resentful, lashing out publicly and privately demanding to be released. The team held firm, insisting that it would only trade him to a team outside its division. To force the issue – and thanks largely to the intervention of commissioner Roger Goodell – Favre secured his reinstatement, flew to Green Bay and, in a shameless bit of showmanship, showed up at Lambeau Field with his wife Deanna to watch the team’s “Family Night” scrimmage from a luxury box.

In that glorified 11-on-11 drill, with some of the 56,000-plus fans booing him, Rodgers completed just 7 of 20 passes. Afterward, he fielded questions from reporters and learned – from them – that the Packers supposedly had declared an open competition between him and Favre for the starting job.

Gulp.

“It was news to me,” Rodgers admitted Tuesday. “All of a sudden people are talking about ‘open competition,’ and I’m wondering what happened.”

For the next day and a half, Rodgers, like the rest of us, wondered what it all meant when Packers CEO Mark Murphy said the team would welcome Favre back “and turn this situation to our advantage.”

On Monday night, as Favre was staging meetings with his superiors that dragged on so long that McCarthy had to cancel a quarterbacks meeting, it certainly didn’t seem that things were working to Rodgers’ advantage.

Nonetheless, publicly and privately, Rodgers did what Favre can’t seem to do these days: He kept his cool.

“If I was going to get mad, or throw something against the wall, what difference would it have made?” Rodgers asked rhetorically. “All I can do is control the attitude I bring into every day, stay positive and think about leading this football team to the best of my ability.”

Favre, meanwhile, couldn’t overcome the negativity that apparently has been swirling inside his mind for quite some time. In that lengthy vent session last month to Greta Van Susteren of Fox News, Favre complained that he couldn’t trust Thompson because, among other things, the GM had ignored his pleadings to acquire Randy Moss and hired McCarthy over Steve Mariucci, the one-time Packers assistant and former 49ers and Lions coach with whom the quarterback is extremely close.

Think about that: Favre was affronted because the Pack’s general manager wouldn’t follow his quarterback’s decree about whom to hire as head coach.

The Packers hired former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer as a PR consultant, but in truth, Favre is the one more in need of such image management.

Consider that Favre, in another interview, said he only wanted to play for another NFC North team – in order to play the Packers twice a season. Now that’s loyalty.

Yet, for all his regrettable posturing, Favre still had the image war won when he stepped off that plane Sunday night and received a hero’s welcome and an invitation to return to the Packers’ roster. At that point, the coach of another NFL team told me, “The game’s over. There’s no way Favre won’t get his job back now. If you don’t start him, how are you going to explain it to all of those fans?”

If Favre, as some suspected, was preparing to engage the Packers in a game of chicken, be it in an attempt to go where he wanted to go (Minnesota) or to get his old job back, this is what he should have done:

1. Not attend the scrimmage. (Perhaps he and Deanna could have stayed home and rented a DVD.)

2. Apologize to McCarthy and Thompson for having called them dishonest and assure his bosses he had overcome his ill feelings and was embracing a return to the organization under any terms.

3. To prove he totally was on board, show up for practice on Tuesday, wave to the adoring fans, meet with reporters afterward and tell them, “I just want a chance to compete for my job and help this team” – even if he believed the competition was going to be a sham.

4. Quietly push for a trade or his outright release and wait for the Packers, facing the prospect of a season-long quarterback controversy and a $12 million tab for a player they had hoped would stay retired, to blink first.

Alas, Favre couldn’t help himself. On Tuesday, while still in discussions with McCarthy about his future, he took a break to call Mortensen and confirm what many of us had suspected all along: Favre, despite another public statement to the contrary (“My intentions have always been to play for Green Bay,” Favre had told the Sun Herald of Gulfport, Miss., before returning on Sunday), was the one who wanted out.

“The problem is that there’s been a lot of damage done and I can’t forget it,” he told Mortensen. “Stuff has been said, stories planted, that just aren’t true. Can I get over all that? I doubt it. … So they can say they welcome me back, but come on, the way they’ve treated me tells you the truth. They don’t want me back, so let’s move on.”

Move on is what most of Favre’s teammates were eager to do on Tuesday, even some of the Packers who’ve been most supportive of his return.

“I think it should end today,” veteran cornerback Charles Woodson said. “We should be talking about the team; instead, we’ve talked about one guy for the last five minutes. This is a situation unique to itself, and it has become its own monster.

“You’ve got fans out there yelling ‘we want Brett,’ yelling A-Rod this and A-Rod that, Ted Thompson this and Ted that. That’s not looking at the grand scheme of things. It’s not helpful at all. You’ve got fans that are die-hard Brett fans, and they’ve put that above the team.”

If Favre, by forcing the issue, did the Packers and his successor one favor, it was this: We’ve gotten a small taste of Rodgers’ demeanor under intense pressure, and to the young passer’s credit, he has kept his cool a lot better than the outgoing legend.

“Aaron Rodgers has done everything right,” McCarthy said during his news conference. Later, the coach talked about his conviction that Rodgers will succeed in his new role.

“You just have to believe in a number of things,” McCarthy said. “Number one, I think he’s prepared himself for this opportunity. I think he has the tools, physically, mentally, emotionally. I mean, you talk about what he’s been challenged with emotionally of late, this is great (training). Who’s had better training to play in the National Football League than Aaron Rodgers, and I think he’s handled it well.”

Hopefully, that maturity will start to rub off on Favre – and the fans who can’t find the grace to cope with the fact that their hero willfully abandoned them.
 

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the only person favre cares about is favre. period.
 

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bbgun;2178024 said:
If you believe that, you're a fool.

Thankfully, I'm not the only one who "gets it."

Dude, I already referenced this article earlier. And the very fact that you're using this guy's articles as your reference point is all I need to know. :laugh2:

To suggest that Favre did not want to play for the team he's played on for the last 15 years if they had welcomed him back when he ultimately decided to wanted to play is pure idiocy. Here is the order of events...

1) Favre wasn't sure he wanted to play

2) Favre decided he wanted to play

3) Team was willing to welcome him back

4) Favre decided he did not want to play

5) he ultimately decided he did want to play after all

6) Favre expected Green Bay to welcome him back again

7) they did not

8) Favre got pissed

9) Favre wanted to play for someone else because he felt insulted.

What about that do you not comprehend?
 

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cowboys2233;2178061 said:
Dude, I already referenced this article earlier. And the very fact that you're using this guy's articles as your reference point is all I need to know. :laugh2:

To suggest that Favre did not want to play for the team he's played on for the last 15 years if they had welcomed him back when he ultimately decided to wanted to play is pure idiocy. Here is the order of events...

1) Favre wasn't sure he wanted to play

2) Favre decided he wanted to play

3) Team was willing to welcome him back

4) Favre decided he did not want to play

5) he ultimately decided he did want to play after all

6) Favre expected Green Bay to welcome him back again

7) they did not

8) Favre got pissed

9) Favre wanted to play for someone else because he felt insulted.

What about that do you not comprehend?
According to Jay Glazer this morning, Farve decided to play and then changed his mind, twice, the last time just before the draft.

He spent the off-season jerking them around as far as his intentions, and according to Glazer, did not keep himself in great shape the way he did during the previous off-season. He said the Packers paid some guy $5K per week to work out every day with Favre, but that Favre had shown no such work ethic this year.

I think the Packers obviously are concerned that the Favre of this year would be the Favre of '06 rather than the '07 version.
 

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Beast_from_East;2177512 said:
This is actually good news, Tampa is no threat even with Favre. If Favre stayed in GB or went to the Vikes, I would be a little worried.

I really dont see anybody in our way in the NFC now, not even the G-men after their fluke season.

What if Tampa trades Favre to the Vikings this weekend? Let's say Tampa gives up a 4th round pick to get Favre, then trades Favre to the Vikes for a 2009 4th rounder, and a 2010 4th rounder.
 

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FLcowboy;2178071 said:
What if Tampa trades Favre to the Vikings this weekend? Let's say Tampa gives up a 4th round pick to get Favre, then trades Favre to the Vikes for a 2009 4th rounder, and a 2010 4th rounder.
I would assume that the trade will have a condition like if the Bucs trade Favre to an NFC central team the pick they get from the Bucs escalates to a #1, or some such.
 

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FLcowboy;2178071 said:
What if Tampa trades Favre to the Vikings this weekend? Let's say Tampa gives up a 4th round pick to get Favre, then trades Favre to the Vikes for a 2009 4th rounder, and a 2010 4th rounder.


Ever hear of a trade stipulation?
 

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Double Trouble;2178069 said:
According to Jay Glazer this morning, Farve decided to play and then changed his mind, twice, the last time just before the draft.

That's not the point of contention. The point is, when he did decide he wanted to play after changing his mind twice (or five times, who cares), he wanted to play for the Packers. He found out they were less than warm to the idea and that's when he decided he wanted to play for someone else.

This other character is suggesting he wanted to play for another team all along. Which is a total joke.
 
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