It's really time for both Dak sides to stop and move on

[KJJ]

Seems they shouldve taken Purdy in the 6th

Or snagged Baker Mayfield

Everyone is saying teams should’ve taken Purdy after the fact but no one had any idea he would be any good, which is why he was the last pick in the draft. Baker Mayfield isn’t the long-term answer. He’s a stopgap. If you want a franchise QB that you have a chance of winning Super Bowls with you have to draft one high in the draft but even then it’s a real crapshoot you’ll end up with a franchise QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

One man even if it’s the quarterback shouldn’t have you go from 13 to 4 wins. That tells me they were a bad team and shows where the coaching was at.

Yes and no. It illustrates how critical the starting QB is if you don’t have a viable backup.

Not having a better backup is definitely on the coaching and FO.

 

[KJJ]

The fact Jimmy G received a franchise deal in effect qualifies as becoming Franchise QB. Dalton started for Bengals almost 10 years taking them to about 7 playoff appearances.

And I’d add none of these Franchise QB’s were Elite but it still refutes your statement that there isn’t or haven’t been any Franchise or starting QB’s besides Hurts drafted in 2nd round.

And like I said, there could be more. Those are just ones I know.

Several QBs have gotten franchise deals that aren’t what I would call franchise QBs. Daniel Jones is a perfect example of a QB that got paid big that isn’t close to a franchise QB. He’s too inconsistent and the Giants aren’t thrilled with him but he’s the best they have. Just good QBs are getting paid big. Andy Dalton started for 9 years with Cincinnati, but he wasn’t that great. He was a better than average QB but that was it. He was part of three losing seasons and he was 0-4 in the playoffs. He was only 5 games over 500 as a starting QB.

 

[Diehardblues]

Several QBs have gotten franchise deals that aren’t what I would call franchise QBs. Daniel Jones is a perfect example of a QB that got paid big that isn’t close to a franchise QB. He’s too inconsistent and the Giants aren’t thrilled with him but he’s the best they have. Just good QBs are getting paid big. Andy Dalton started for 9 years with Cincinnati, but he wasn’t that great. He was a better than average QB but that was it. He was part of three losing seasons and he was 0-4 in the playoffs. He was only 5 games over 500 as a starting QB.

Franchise QB’s aren’t usually Elite. And by definition we’d define Franchise as anyone who has received the second contract as a starter.

It’s not about what we’d define as a good QB

 

[conner01]

It's really time for both sides to stop and move on. Dak's deal is done, like it or not. Stop poking each other with sticks in every thread, for God's sake.

The debate is over now. Well fit 4 years anyway lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes and no. It illustrates how critical the starting QB is if you don’t have a viable backup.

Not having a better backup is definitely on the coaching and FO.

Well we say that but Matt Cassell flaws and all should’ve been a viable backup. He was for the Pats.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well we say that but Matt Cassell flaws and all should’ve been a viable backup. He was for the Pats.

But remember how great that team was. Definitely make a difference as well. Great defenses can often carry a team when QB’s are out. Our defense then was average at best.

It also worth noting while the team went 11-5 with Cassell it was only season they missed playoffs in Brady era.

 

[Rockport]

I think Dak is a top eight QB but I was kinda wishing the Cowboys moved on--solely because of the vast size of the looming extension.

Prescott is our QB now for a few seasons to come, at least. I'm 100% supportive of him and agree that the tiresome vendettas of some really need to get put to bed.

Go Dak. Go Cowboys. (They go together now, inseperable)

They always went together.

 

[KJJ]

Franchise QB’s aren’t usually Elite. And by definition we’d define Franchise as anyone who has received the second contract as a starter.

It’s not about what we’d define as a good QB

They may not always be elite, but they’re very consistent and they win a lot of games. As difficult as it is to find a solid QB, a lot of them are going to receive a second contract as a starter. Go look at Trevor Lawrence‘s numbers. It’s not like he’s been lighting it up the past three seasons, but he got paid $55 million per despite the fact his numbers regressed and his team missed the playoffs. For me to consider a QB a franchise QB they have to be real good and consistent. They’re a QB I want starting for my team for a long time.

 

[DuncanIso]

Danny White was gifted a team that had gone to the Super Bowl 2 of the last 3 years before he was handed the reigns including 11-5 the year before he took over. Dak was given a team that had only made the playoffs once in the last 6 years before he was handed the reigns including 4-12 the year before he took over. Their situations could not have been more different.

Danny threw 15 INTs in 10 playoff starts including 3 in a game three times! Yikes! Dak has never thrown three picks in any of his 7 playoff starts. Suffice it to say Danny was the starting QB in those game but more often than not he was not the reason the team won. With the exception of that amazing comeback against the Falcons, he was pretty much carried by the rest of the team. And even as good as that team was he only went 5-5.

Even as a kid I remember thinking Danny White throws too many interceptions but I was blown away when I looked it up! 15 picks in 10 starts!?!?! I know the game was different back then... but damn!!

Good stuff.

 

[vlad]

It's really time for both sides to stop and move on. Dak's deal is done, like it or not. Stop poking each other with sticks in every thread, for God's sake.

I've had to put so many on ignore not because I think they suck or anything, but they are so crazy obsessed the board becomes unreadable.

 

[jgboys1]

Agree! I am stealing a line from Jerry Jones! I am all in!
He is here for the immediate future so we have to hope Dak plays well enough to where we want to go.
I will say that our defense impressed me this past Sunday so maybe if we can get consistent play out of the defense, we might have a shot!

 

[Diehardblues]

They may not always be elite, but they’re very consistent and they win a lot of games. As difficult as it is to find a solid QB, a lot of them are going to receive a second contract as a starter. Go look at Trevor Lawrence‘s numbers. It’s not like he’s been lighting it up the past three seasons, but he got paid $55 million per despite the fact his numbers regressed and his team missed the playoffs. For me to consider a QB a franchise QB they have to be real good and consistent. They’re a QB I want starting for my team for a long time.

Your bar doesn’t necessarily define or describe what a Franchise QB is.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But remember how great that team was. Definitely make a difference as well. Great defenses can often carry a team when QB’s are out. Our defense then was average at best.

It also worth noting while the team went 11-5 with Cassell it was only season they missed playoffs in Brady era.

It did but I mean 11-5 is 11-5…..11-5 normally is a playoff team.. hell even a division winner.

What you’re saying is correct which is my point. A good team would’ve been good enough for Cassel. We had Dez who’s decline was starting, a old Witten, Beasley and McFadden.

Now I will say we did add Zeke and that was an upgrade over McFadden and that for sure would’ve improved that 4 win team alone. But even with Zeke I can’t say it was a 13 win team if they had Cassel starting. They needed Dak or Romo to mask their issues.

 

[Jumbo075]

Other than Patrick Mahomes, name another NFL starting QB currently in the NFL that has won a Super Bowl.

I can think of only 2 - Stafford and Wilson, and Wilson could be the backup in Pittsburgh, not the starter. Joe Flacco is a backup.

So, all the talk about falling short in the Super Bowl applies to almost all starting QB’s in the NFL today.

 

[KJJ]

Your bar doesn’t necessarily define or describe what a Franchise QB is.

It’s my bar for how I define a franchise QB. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on it. They have to be consistent and someone I’m content with staying with and committing to long-term.

 

[loublue22]

People will always argue, it's a message board. Nothing we do here has any effect, Dak can shut everyone up any given January.

 

[Diehardblues]

It’s my bar for how I define a franchise QB. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on it. They have to be consistent and someone I’m content with staying with and committing to long-term.

The bar for the NFL is a QB franchises resign and attempt to build around.

Obviously some don’t turn out as well as others or have as much success.

 

[KJJ]

The bar for the NFL is a QB franchises resign and attempt to build around.

Obviously some don’t turn out as well as others or have as much success.

That’s clearly the bar for the NFL. If you re-sign a QB and attempt to build around them then that team considers them a franchise QB. The Giants saw Daniel Jones as their best option, which is why they extended him. I have a tough time looking at him as a franchise QB because of how unsteady he’s been. Personally, I would’ve moved on from him. It doesn’t appear it’s going to work out with him too much longer unless he’s able to turn it around.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

For me to consider a QB a franchise QB they have to be real good and consistent. They’re a QB I want starting for my team for a long time.

This is the key.......once a QB is established as a team's LONG-TERM (post-rookie contract ) he is getting the bag. If a team can't trust or lose confidence they move on rather than gambling. Wentz, Mayfield, Goff, Winston, and Fields are all good examples that their original teams didn't trust them with 2nd contracts/or long-term starters.