J-Train looks ready!

BAT said:
Not true. Wade's D was top 10 in yardage allowed & sack totals almost every season (exception was his incomplete 2010 season). It was more like the offense was Romo, or bust. Opposing D's stop Romo and Cowboys were dead in the water.
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Tony carried this team for years. Forced to make throws he probably didn't want to because he never knew how many points could put a game away. Shootout with Denver is an example......
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Every season that Ware had double digit sacks:

Team Defensive DVOA:

2006: 14th
2007: 9th
2008: 9th
2009: 10th
2010: 27th
2011: 16th
2012: 23rd

We were a top 10 unit give or take for the 1st 4 years of Demarcus Ware.

Now let's look at our investment in the first two rounds on defense while Ware was Ware.

2006: 1st rounder is Bobby Carpenter
2007: 1st rounder is Anthony Spencer
2008: 1st rounder is Mike Jenkins
2009: Special teams draft
2010: 2nd rounder Sean Lee

It seems that Ware was every bit the transformational player but we whiffed repeatedly with our other defensive selections and the defense crumbled around him.
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Well stated Doomsday had Randy White, Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin - 3 sack masters..... Jimmys team had Haley, Casillas, Maryland... it takes more than one player to control the line and get to the QB...
 
mahoneybill said:
Tony carried this team for years. Forced to make throws he probably didn't want to because he never knew how many points could put a game away. Shootout with Denver is an example......
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I consider that game to be the perfect example of Tony's career. He out played one of the greatest QBs of all time; in the year that was his best of all time. Yet all the haters want you to remember is his one pick. And that was because as you put it he could not trust his D. And thus pushed too hard and took too many chances. I remind the haters that the Dallas D was unable to force ONE SINGLE PUNT THAT DAY.

I would like to know just how many times Tony brought the O back to score and take the lead in the 4th qtr only to have the D give it away. I am willing to bet that it far exceeds Brady and Manning put together
 
diefree666 said:
I consider that game to be the perfect example of Tony's career. He out played one of the greatest QBs of all time; in the year that was his best of all time. Yet all the haters want you to remember is his one pick. And that was because as you put it he could not trust his D. And thus pushed too hard and took too many chances. I remind the haters that the Dallas D was unable to force ONE SINGLE PUNT THAT DAY.

I would like to know just how many times Tony brought the O back to score and take the lead in the 4th qtr only to have the D give it away. I am willing to bet that it far exceeds Brady and Manning put together
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We know that Tony has more 4th quarter comebacks than any active QB for wins, so you're probably right.
 
mahoneybill said:
Well stated Doomsday had Randy White, Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin - 3 sack masters..... Jimmys team had Haley, Casillas, Maryland... it takes more than one player to control the line and get to the QB...
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Coughlin flat out said he copied the Giants 2000's D after the Boys 1990's D. He understood that the more pass rushers you had the better. IT was that Depth that won them those SBs.

With the exception of 2007 when Ellis, Ratlif and others had career years, there was never anyone that could really take the heat off of Ware.
 
diefree666 said:
Coughlin flat out said he copied the Giants 2000's D after the Boys 1990's D. He understood that the more pass rushers you had the better. IT was that Depth that won them those SBs.

With the exception of 2007 when Ellis, Ratlif and others had career years, there was never anyone that could really take the heat off of Ware.
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Seattle whether they would admit it did the same.
 
BAT said:
Not true. Wade's D was top 10 in yardage allowed & sack totals almost every season (exception was his incomplete 2010 season). It was more like the offense was Romo, or bust. Opposing D's stop Romo and Cowboys were dead in the water.
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This is true, but I'd also like to point out that those teams also gave up TD's after Romo had gotten them the lead. They couldn't close out
 
xwalker said:
The defense is what got Wade fired. The defense sucked the 1st half of that season and Jerry fired Wade because of it.

How many years did people here complain about Ware's "empty" sack stats. Every year there was a horde of people saying that Ware didn't get sacks when they really need them but racked them up in garbage time. Spencer was almost universally hated for not getting enough sacks. Fans constantly complained that Ratliff was too small at NT and fans wanted "more beef" in the middle. Every year some at CZ would propose going to a 4-3.

All of those complaints don't happen if the D was great.

Look at Romo's stats over the years. It seems almost impossible for a team to not win big with those stats unless the defense was a problem.
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I will never understand the thought of an "empty" sack. I mean how often does 1 player make a sack to end a game? I'm not even sure if they keep track of a stat like that. But it would be interesting to look at the top 10 sack leaders and see how many times each one made a "game ending" sack.

Nobody will ever be happy, someone will always find something to complain about. Ware was a great player
 
CowboyStar88 said:
I will never understand the thought of an "empty" sack. I mean how often does 1 player make a sack to end a game? I'm not even sure if they keep track of a stat like that. But it would be interesting to look at the top 10 sack leaders and see how many times each one made a "game ending" sack.

Nobody will ever be happy, someone will always find something to complain about. Ware was a great player
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Not only that but it was proven wrong that Ware didn't show up in the 4th.

His sacks by quarter: 1st Q - 34.5; 2nd Q - 40.5; 3rd Q - 25; 4th Q - 38.5.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
Not only that but it was proven wrong that Ware didn't show up in the 4th.

His sacks by quarter: 1st Q - 34.5; 2nd Q - 40.5; 3rd Q - 25; 4th Q - 38.5.
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One example that stands out in support of the above - didn't he close out the game against NO with a strip sack of Brees when we beat them (they were undefeated at the time, I believe) in 2009? Not only that, but it was only week after we all thought he screwed his neck up really bad.
 
Knotamus said:
At the end of the day, all I want to see is Sean Lee and Jaylon on the field together. It's going to be beautiful see them making plays. They'll prob push each other and have a 'side bet' who will make the big play first:)
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Just as long as Lee doesn't give Smith a concussion. :oops:
 
WeaponX said:
One example that stands out in support of the above - didn't he close out the game against NO with a strip sack of Brees when we beat them (they were undefeated at the time, I believe) in 2009? Not only that, but it was only week after we all thought he screwed his neck up really bad.
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and then there is his epic series in the 2015 AFC championship game when it was all on the line. Even years past his prime.
 
waving monkey said:
totally agree ; his shoulder bulk doesn't appear heavy enough ,plus I've seen better legs in a bucket of Colonel Sanders.
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Several of the local media have commented that Jaylon looks much bigger than they expected. One said he looked more like a DLineman than a LB.

It would be good to see a pic of him next to Lee and the other LBs for reference.
 
mahoneybill said:
Well stated Doomsday had Randy White, Too Tall Jones, Harvey Martin - 3 sack masters..... Jimmys team had Haley, Casillas, Maryland... it takes more than one player to control the line and get to the QB...
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Love Ware but how many offsides penalties did he draw during this time..when the game was on the line..
 
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