Jamie Benn

Biggems · Apr 13, 2015

I could give a rat's backside about the Stars. The only team in Dallas worth a darn is the Cowboys.......just as the only team in Houston worth a darn is the Astros.

GO PENS

YosemiteSam · Apr 14, 2015

Biggems said:
I could give a rat's backside about the Stars. The only team in Dallas worth a darn is the Cowboys.......just as the only team in Houston worth a darn is the Astros.

GO PENS

lol, you're drunk. The fact that you like any team from Pennsylvania probably means you should be BAN from this site! :laugh:

Vtwin · Apr 14, 2015

RastaRocket said:
I wouldn't call them serious contenders just yet, but they have the pieces to become that within the next few years. The personality of this team is speed and goals goals goals. However, they do show a lot of fight, and play 100% most of the time. Speed is definitely their identity; they are very exciting to watch.

Does this concern you as a Stars fan? NHL history is littered with regular season offensive powerhouses that get shut down by deep, defense first teams in the playoffs.

Will they be able to keep the offense power and significantly improve the backend with the cap constraints?

How has Seguin established himself reputation wise? I read recently he has been in Ruff's doghouse and was kicked out of practice for being late.

YosemiteSam · Apr 14, 2015

Vtwin said:
Does this concern you as a Stars fan? NHL history is littered with regular season offensive powerhouses that get shut down by deep, defense first teams in the playoffs.

Will they be able to keep the offense power and significantly improve the backend with the cap constraints?

How has Seguin established himself reputation wise? I read recently he has been in Ruff's doghouse and was kicked out of practice for being late.

He was late for practice and was a healthy scratch on the final game of the season because of that. Besides that, he has been a model citizen and everyone and their grandmother knows that Boston made a SERIOUS mistake in trading him. People bashed Seguin also because they felt he was all scoring and no defense (like Ovechkin), but he proved them wrong on that also. The guy is a tier 1 elite player just like Jamie Benn. (the medioits has been slow to admit both are, but their tier 1 peers are not)

The thing about the Stars is they aren't "just offense". They were formidable defensively the previous year and once Nemeth returned to the lineup. They were just crushed by injuries this year. Both ones that took players out of the lineup and injuries that several players just played with throughout the year.

Biggems · Apr 14, 2015

Sam I Am said:
lol, you're drunk. The fact that you like any team from Pennsylvania probably means you should be BAN from this site!

um, ok

RastaRocket · Apr 14, 2015

Vtwin said:
Does this concern you as a Stars fan? NHL history is littered with regular season offensive powerhouses that get shut down by deep, defense first teams in the playoffs.

Will they be able to keep the offense power and significantly improve the backend with the cap constraints?

How has Seguin established himself reputation wise? I read recently he has been in Ruff's doghouse and was kicked out of practice for being late.

Seguin is fine, nothing but good things to say about him. Other players got the same treatment so why should he be treated special? I'm not too concerned about the backend. Seguin and Benn are locked up in cap friendly contracts and we have some good young players. We have a lot more room to play with than Chicago for example...

Future · Apr 15, 2015

RastaRocket said:
Because he was not playing the #1 C position

#27 in goals against

Spezza can match up a #1 center, he has for his career. Dallas is not rebuilding, they are growing and putting together the final pieces (Defense). 32 is a fine age, he will be good for us while he is here. I don't get the hate.

Being #27 in goals against has a lot to do with who is playing as your 2C, is my point. Even though he's better as a two-way player than he was in Ottawa, he's still not very good in his own zone.

I don't hate him, other than his contract, but I think he's a terrible fit on that team. If Eakin and Ritchie aren't legit Top-6 forwards next year they aren't going to be any better.

And everyone says "they just need to improve defense and goaltending" but that is a whole lot easier said than done. Finding a number one goalie isn't exactly easy.

Vtwin · Apr 15, 2015

Sam I Am said:
He was late for practice and was a healthy scratch on the final game of the season because of that. Besides that, he has been a model citizen and everyone and their grandmother knows that Boston made a SERIOUS mistake in trading him. People bashed Seguin also because they felt he was all scoring and no defense (like Ovechkin), but he proved them wrong on that also. The guy is a tier 1 elite player just like Jamie Benn. (the medioits has been slow to admit both are, but their tier 1 peers are not)

The thing about the Stars is they aren't "just offense". They were formidable defensively the previous year and once Nemeth returned to the lineup. They were just crushed by injuries this year. Both ones that took players out of the lineup and injuries that several players just played with throughout the year.

Not quite sure how finishing fourth in goals scored and -1 p/m proves anyone wrong.

YosemiteSam · Apr 15, 2015

Vtwin said:
Not quite sure how finishing fourth in goals scored and -1 p/m proves anyone wrong.

p/m is the most misunderstood stat. Most of the time it's meaningless as it doesn't dictate the abilities of a specific player. The fact that he was only -1 really makes the fact that you pointed out p/m pointless. Jamie Benn was only +1 are you saying he sucks defensively too? Clearly he is considered one of the best 2-way players in the league by his peers. (Patrick Kane and Sidney Crosby)

Vtwin · Apr 15, 2015

Sam I Am said:
p/m is the most misunderstood stat. Most of the time it's meaningless as it doesn't dictate the abilities of a specific player. The fact that he was only -1 really makes the fact that you pointed out p/m pointless. Jamie Benn was only +1 are you saying he sucks defensively too? Clearly he is considered one of the best 2-way players in the league by his peers. (Patrick Kane and Sidney Crosby)

Got anything better than p/m to back up your assertion that Seguin "proved them wrong"?

Yes, p/m is not the end all be all but when you (and your line) are scoring at a top of the league pace and you finish with a negative p/m it most certainly does shine a light on you (and your line's) defensive game.

Maybe it is a system thing. I don't know. Not seeing any proof of anything though.

YosemiteSam · Apr 15, 2015

Vtwin said:
Got anything better than p/m to back up your assertion that Seguin "proved them wrong"?

Do you actually watch Stars games? If you did, I wouldn't need to prove anything to you.

Vtwin · Apr 15, 2015

Sam I Am said:
Do you actually watch Stars games? If you did, I wouldn't need to prove anything to you.

Living in New England I don't get to see the Stars much. I did get to watch Seguin during his time with the Bruins so I have some perspective on his game. Just curious as to how that aspect of his game had progressed. The only statistical indicator we have says not very well.

Of course you don't need to prove anything to me. You are certainly free to make all the unsubstantiated claims you desire.

YosemiteSam · Apr 15, 2015

I live in the NE too. (NY metro area) I see all of his games as I'm a Stars fan and purchased NHL Center Ice so I could watch all the games.

He has greatly improved his game since joining the Stars. Heck if he hadn't gotten injured, it very easily could have been Seguin as the Art Ross trophy winner instead of Jamie Benn. He was well ahead of Benn. Though, Benn went into Beast Mode the last 12 games of the year averaging just shy of 2 points per game. Who knows, but I would say Benn and Seguin could have easily been #1 and #2 in the scoring race had Seguin not suffered the cheapshot knee injury.

RastaRocket · Apr 15, 2015

Vtwin said:
Living in New England I don't get to see the Stars much. I did get to watch Seguin during his time with the Bruins so I have some perspective on his game. Just curious as to how that aspect of his game had progressed. The only statistical indicator we have says not very well.

Of course you don't need to prove anything to me. You are certainly free to make all the unsubstantiated claims you desire.

The Bruins seem to be doing well without him.

Vtwin · Apr 16, 2015

RastaRocket said:
The Bruins seem to be doing well without him.

Don't know what the 2014/2015 Bruins have to due with Seguin but they did just fine without him last year. I thought you wanted to talk hockey?

Not replacing Iginla + not replacing Boychuck + Injuries on defense and to the #1 center did the Bruins in this season.

Stubborn coaching and a few bad contracts contributed also.

Seguin barely contributed to the two finals runs and nothing to the presidents cup run last season. Not really understanding what your point is here.

Vtwin · Apr 16, 2015

Sam I Am said:
I live in the NE too. (NY metro area) I see all of his games as I'm a Stars fan and purchased NHL Center Ice so I could watch all the games.

He has greatly improved his game since joining the Stars. Heck if he hadn't gotten injured, it very easily could have been Seguin as the Art Ross trophy winner instead of Jamie Benn. He was well ahead of Benn. Though, Benn went into Beast Mode the last 12 games of the year averaging just shy of 2 points per game. Who knows, but I would say Benn and Seguin could have easily been #1 and #2 in the scoring race had Seguin not suffered the cheapshot knee injury.

Good to hear. I hope nothing but the best for the man. Nothing I would like to see more than a Bruins/Stars finals in the next few years.

Future · Apr 16, 2015

Vtwin said:
Good to hear. I hope nothing but the best for the man. Nothing I would like to see more than a Bruins/Stars finals in the next few years.

The Bruins are about to go to into full rebuild mode. So don't get your hopes up.

RastaRocket · Apr 16, 2015

Vtwin said:
Don't know what the 2014/2015 Bruins have to due with Seguin but they did just fine without him last year. I thought you wanted to talk hockey?

Not replacing Iginla + not replacing Boychuck + Injuries on defense and to the #1 center did the Bruins in this season.

Stubborn coaching and a few bad contracts contributed also.

Seguin barely contributed to the two finals runs and nothing to the presidents cup run last season. Not really understanding what your point is here.

They traded a future franchise player to win now.

Vtwin · Apr 16, 2015

Future said:
The Bruins are about to go to into full rebuild mode. So don't get your hopes up.

It's not that bad

They've got goal tending and a very good top nine. Lucic, if not traded, will be playing for a contract. He grossly underachieved this season

Defense was decimated with injuries but Krug and Trotman showed up and look like they belong.

Cap management will decide the fate of next years Bruins. They need a top 2 defenseman and reliable top six RW. Keeping Mcquaid would be big too.

I hope everyone writes off the Bruins.

Vtwin · Apr 16, 2015

RastaRocket said:
They traded a future franchise player to win now.

No they didn't.

You think they thought the addition of Louie and Smith was a 'put them over the top' move? LOL

They traded Seguin, rightly or wrongly, because they didn't like the player in the locker room or the system.

They won a cup and went to another with Seguin on the roster.

lol

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