Jared Goff - Good God NO!

[SilverStarCowboy]

Mariota and Winston graded out much higher than any QB will this year, that said Paxton Lynch is the surest thing going...no popular but going with Manziel frees up the Draft in the 1st and 2nd rounds for BPA, then shoot at a QB in the 3rd.

Noway, Nohow or NoWho taking a QB in the 1st round this year means success for nobody,

 

[JBS]

This guy name dropped couch scout

Lololol

 

[chuch]

I went and did my arm chair scouting of him and granted I'm not couchscout or xwalker or any of those guys but my opinion of him is horrible. He literally sux! In the 5 games I watched he threw and completed only 1 pass of over 30 yards. He is literally check down charlie. His accuracy is horrible, constantly missing open receivers and his pocket awareness is non existent. Wow... just wow! I have absolutely NO idea what people are seeing that are clamoring for him. Just my $.02.

Gotta agree with @tm1119

Less than 1 minute into this first video I looked at he was 3/4 on completions (1 pass was a screen and the miss literally bounced off the receiver). There were no check downs and 1 pass went 37 yards in the air. Based on the numbers from you've given this game must be an outlier, right? In addition he should very good lower body mechanics and ball placement on nearly every throw. I'd continue but your obvious agenda is obvious.
http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jared-goff-vs-san-diego-state-2015/
(The first video that comes up on Goff's page)

 

[cowboys1981]

I wouldn't mind Brandon Allen in the 6th.

 

[btcutter]

Rodgers is super talented. There is no real physical weakness. Wentz shares a lot of the same physical traits that Rodgers has.

Either way.. I think Wentz edges Goff on "talent" as well.

Yes, so talented that he dropped from being 1st pick till 23rd?
This is hindsight talk. If SF knew he was so "super talented" he would have been the #1 overall pick over Alex Smith.

I don't know who will be the better Pro QB. Physical talent is over rated. You MUST have the mental capacity to play NFL QB before any of the physical stuff matters. Neither Brees nor Romo have exactly rocket arms.

 

[Bigdog]

Opinions vary but let me remind of a guy who scouts said he doesn't throw a nice spiral, lacks arm strength, ran one of the slowest 40 times ever for a qb at the combine (slower than some linemen), didn't really play his first two years of college, had to split time his senior yr in college with a freshman qb, and to top it off, his owner who drafted him didn't even know who he was after he was drafted. In fact 6 qbs were drafted before him. This qb has won 4 Super Bowls and has been in 2 ( maybe 3 ) others that he lost. Has led his team to several divisional first place finishes and will probably go down as one the best qb ever. That qb is Tom Brady so you never know.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I went and did my arm chair scouting of him and granted I'm not couchscout or xwalker or any of those guys but my opinion of him is horrible. He literally sux! In the 5 games I watched he threw and completed only 1 pass of over 30 yards. He is literally check down charlie. His accuracy is horrible, constantly missing open receivers and his pocket awareness is non existent. Wow... just wow! I have absolutely NO idea what people are seeing that are clamoring for him. Just my $.02.

64.5% completion this season. 43 tds to only 13 ints. I'm guessing his accuracy isn't that horrible.

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, so talented that he dropped from being 1st pick till 23rd?
This is hindsight talk. If SF knew he was so "super talented" he would have been the #1 overall pick over Alex Smith.

I don't know who will be the better Pro QB. Physical talent is over rated. You MUST have the mental capacity to play NFL QB before any of the physical stuff matters. Neither Brees nor Romo have exactly rocket arms.

It's impossible to know how any QB can handle the mental side of it.. That I why there is so many busts.

Btw, most people thought Rodgers was a top 5-10 pick. The NFL didn't.

 

[btcutter]

It's impossible to know how any QB can handle the mental side of it.. That I why there is so many busts.

Btw, most people thought Rodgers was a top 5-10 pick. The NFL didn't.

I see scouts and pro teams fall in love with what they can see which is physical traits.....rocket arm, 6'5, 230 lbs and quick feet. Those will work fine in college but won't in NFL. That's why I rolled my eyes when an article about picking Cardale Jones came out.

 

[chuch]

It's impossible to know how any QB can handle the mental side of it.. That I why there is so many busts.

Btw, most people thought Rodgers was a top 5-10 pick. The NFL didn't.

Maybe. I think some things can be gleaned about how a QB will handle the mental side of Quarterbacking based on how much they are asked to do at the college level. For example, how does the prospect see the field, is he asked to see the whole field? Is there evidence he can go through his progressions quickly? If so, does he consistently make the right decisions? Does he have control of the offense at the line of scrimmage? How much is he asked to throw/ Run? Does he show situational awareness? Can he maintain poise when the game is on the line?

Obviously some of these things can improve at the next level, but one can only be sure of what has already been shown in game at the first level.

 

[CATCH17]

Maybe. I think some things can be gleaned about how a QB will handle the mental side of Quarterbacking based on how much they are asked to do at the college level. For example, how does the prospect see the field, is he asked to see the whole field? Is there evidence he can go through his progressions quickly? If so, does he consistently make the right decisions? Does he have control of the offense at the line of scrimmage? How much is he asked to throw/ Run? Does he show situational awareness? Can he maintain poise when the game is on the line?

Obviously some of these things can improve at the next level, but one can only be sure of what has already been shown in game at the first level.

The problem with a lot of these guys though is that they are playing in a spread offense that doesn't translate to the NFL.


I always go back to Sam Bradford. So many people had him labeled as the next great QB.

 

[Aven8]

Would you have taken Marriotta?

In hindsight. You bet.

 

[Plankton]

Goff has all of the tools that you would want for a QB - good height, very good mechanics, accuracy. His arm strength is good enough, but not a cannon. He needs to learn how to play under center, and demonstrate that he can make the basic reads necessary to run a pro-style offense. He's not a plug and play guy from day one, but I think that he will be a very good pro QB with some seasoning. His floor is the highest of the top three prospects in the draft this year at the QB position. His ceiling may be the lowest, though. Despite that, he's the guy I would take.

 

[mattjames2010]

Many people think that every year

That's absolutely not true.

 

[chuch]

The problem with a lot of these guys though is that they are playing in a spread offense that doesn't translate to the NFL.


I always go back to Sam Bradford. So many people had him labeled as the next great QB.

Yep, that's a valid concern.

I personally think switching the system, having a 21 y.o. player play in the biggest spotlight in sports, and making them the leader of 52 grown adults at the start of their careers presents confounding variables to the argument that it's just the system change that's affecting these players. Even spread QBs have to go through their progressions and accurately deliver passes under pressure. Calling all spreads the same is painting with a wide brush.

Aaron Rodgers was the original spread system QB under Jeff Tedford who had groomed former NFL first round busts Derek Carr, Joey Harrington and Akili Smith (all of whom started immediately, missed large portions of training camp, etc.). This brought about concerns about whether Rodgers was a product of the Tedford system or a legitimate NFL prospect. My point is, yes, system should factor into the equation, but only as much as it pertains to the prospects ability to play the position. I don't think the system is making him more accurate or protecting him from having to make passes under duress that would inflate his numbers nobody is going to make the argument he is the most athletic QB in this class.

Also, something that never gets brought up, there was no rushing offense for Cal during Goff's tenure, and we've all seen how much that can improve a QB's play. The highest rank the team achieved was 87/125 BCS teams. So teams new Cal was going to throw and just couldn't do much about it.

 

[bodi]

I think Cleveland takes him - he can start right out of the gate

 

[AzorAhai]

Yep, that's a valid concern.

I personally think switching the system, having a 21 y.o. player play in the biggest spotlight in sports, and making them the leader of 52 grown adults at the start of their careers presents confounding variables to the argument that it's just the system change that's affecting these players. Even spread QBs have to go through their progressions and accurately deliver passes under pressure. Calling all spreads the same is painting with a wide brush.

Aaron Rodgers was the original spread system QB under Jeff Tedford who had groomed former NFL first round busts Derek Carr, Joey Harrington and Akili Smith (all of whom started immediately, missed large portions of training camp, etc.). This brought about concerns about whether Rodgers was a product of the Tedford system or a legitimate NFL prospect. My point is, yes, system should factor into the equation, but only as much as it pertains to the prospects ability to play the position. I don't think the system is making him more accurate or protecting him from having to make passes under duress that would inflate his numbers nobody is going to make the argument he is the most athletic QB in this class.

Also, something that never gets brought up, there was no rushing offense for Cal during Goff's tenure, and we've all seen how much that can improve a QB's play. The highest rank the team achieved was 87/125 BCS teams. So teams new Cal was going to throw and just couldn't do much about it.

David Carr was the bust. Derek Carr looks pretty good in Oakland.

 

[texbumthelife]

I think Cleveland takes him - he can start right out of the gate

I think Cleveland is all over Wentz. Everyone keeps saying they need the most ready guy, but there is no reason they need a day one starter. The coach hasn't once stated that they need someone who can play immediately. That team is not a QB away from winning a Super Bowl. They have time to let him sit behind McCown or another vet while they add pieces to that offense. It's wishful thinking by the guys around here that want Wentz to assume the Browns will take Goff because he is more ready. If they take him, it's because they think he is the best prospect.

 

[AzorAhai]

I think Cleveland is all over Wentz. Everyone keeps saying they need the most ready guy, but there is no reason they need a day one starter. The coach hasn't once stated that they need someone who can play immediately. That team is not a QB away from winning a Super Bowl. They have time to let him sit behind McCown or another vet while they add pieces to that offense. It's wishful thinking by the guys around here that want Wentz to assume the Browns will take Goff because he is more ready. If they take him, it's because they think he is the best prospect.

This and scouts and coaches fall in love with elite tools. I don't think its the foregone conclusion many here thought right after his bowl game.

And you're absolutely right. They should take the guy they think will be best in 2021, not 2016. If they are picking a QB at 2 overall simply because they are ready to play now, well then that explains a lot about their franchise.

 

[chuch]

David Carr was the bust. Derek Carr looks pretty good in Oakland.

Absolutely right, thanks.Although, Derek also ran a spread offense at Fresno St. and is having success, albeit very early in his career.