Jason Campbell

[silverbear]

I like to compare campbell to romo myself,

ROTFLMAO... then you must be one unhappy camper...

 

[BourbonBalz]

Because all Commanders fans are the same person.

You go and check out Skin's message boards and tell me that 99% of them don't post the exact same thing in regards to Romo.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Yeah Im not sure if he noticed that part.

Hey lets compare T.O. to Moss?

Anyone? ...... Anyone?

Skins fans love to pull the Santana Moss to Patrick Crayton comparison out, which is completely asinine.

However, these are the same people that not only claimed Moss was better than Owens when Dallas got Owens, but BRANDON LLOYD was better than Owens apparently du to Lloyd made a few highlight reel catches with San Francisco.






YAKUZA

 

[silverbear]

How many years are the skins fans going to give him....statistically he has shown nothing and when I watch Campbell play, it seems that he cannot throw the ball down field....Anybody know how many completions he has of 10 yards or more (without including YAC)? And how it compares to the rest of the league.

I'm too lazy to go look up his numbers for his rookie season, and being mindful that he only played 12 and one third games this past season, I'm gonna increase his totals by 30 per cent for completions of 20 plus and 40 plus, then I'll look at how they ranked in the NFL last season:

He had 30 completions of 20 yards or more, factoring the extra 30 per cent you're looking at 39 for a 16 game season (keeping round numbers, no fractions here)... that would have ranked him tied for 13th in the NFL last year... he had 5 completions of 40 or more, which extrapolates out to 5 for a 16 game season... that would have ranked him tied for 16th in the NFL last year...

That would seem to suggest that he's middle of the pack when it comes to looking downfield, but that stat is misleading; you see, an unusually high number of those longer passes came as a result of run after the catch; he'd throw a short pass to Portis or Cooley or Sellers, and they'd tack on 15-20 yards after the catch... that does NOT mean that he was throwing the ball downfield, though... another indicator of that, that shows he was dumping the ball off a lot, can be seen in the number of TD passes his wide receivers caught-- 4, in 12 and one third games played... that would again extrapolate out to 5 TD receptions by his wide receiver corps for a 16 game season, and that's LOUSY... our second wideout, Patrick Crayton, caught 7 TDs all by himself...

Jason took more shots downfield last year than he did the year before (which is the biggest reason why he made more mistakes in 07 than he did in 06), but he still relied heavily on the short passing game to move the ball...

 

[silverbear]

Actually he throws a very strong deep ball...

Another case of Skins fans apparently living in a parallel universe, one in which Jason Campbell is a good QB, who throws a "very strong deep ball"...

Fact-- Jason has thrown 624 passes in his career, and has 43 completions of over 20 yards (1 in every 14.5 attempts), and just 7 completions of over 40 yards (1 in every 89.1 attempts)...

To compare that with three QBs who ARE good at throwing the deep ball, last season Tom Brady had 56 completions of over 20 yards in 578 attempts (1 in every 10.3 attempts), and 15 of 40 or more (1 in every 38.5 attempts)... Peyton Manning had 53 completions of 20 plus in 515 attempts (1 in every 9.7 attempts) and 9 of 40 plus (1 in every 1 in every 57.2 attempts)...

And Tony Romo had 55 completions of 20 or more, in 520 attempts (1 in every 9.45 attempts), and 11 completions of 40 or more (1 in every 47.3 attempts)...

But wait, it gets worse; quite often, when Campbell DID have a completion of 20 or more, it was because he threw a short pass to Portis or Cooley or Sellers, and they tacked on 15 yards or more of run after the catch... obviously, then, a number of his "deep balls" were really short passes that were turned into long gainers after the catch...

I can, if challenged, go back and document exactly how many times that happened... it'll take an hour or so of research, but I did so once before, in a similar argument, so I'm confident of what I say there...

To this point in his career, Jason has offered little to nothing in the way of a downfield threat...

 

[silverbear]

Actually, Campbell throws a great deep ball.

The stats say otherwise...

But his deep ball is his strength.

That was his rep coming out of college, but to this point he hasn't shown that ability in the NFL...

 

[silverbear]

There are a lot of things about Campbell that I like. He is "prototype" (for whatever that's worth) as far as physical skillset. He does throw a beautiful ball with a pretty good degree of accuracy. I think he's a hard worker and a good guy.

One thing that I see as a problem, and might be what keeps him from ever becoming a great QB, is I don't think he sees the whole field well and I don't think he quickly moves through his progressions. I loved watching Al Saunders offense in Kansas City, but it was nowhere to be seen when he came to Washington. I had just decided that Gibbs had handcuffed him to reign him into a more conservative gameplan. But when Collins stepped in for Campbell, I saw the Al Saunders offense that he ran in Kansas City. Collins was able to spread the defense out, and utilize the entire field when he was able to hit his 3rd and 4th targets. Suddenly the offense didn't look nearly as pedestrian.

Hey, that's just about the best analysis of Jason I've read... well done, IR...

 

[silverbear]

so what,he still at money time has the same amount of playoff wins and superbowl apperances as campbell..personal stats are for losers!!

And Jason Campbell is 8-12 as a starter... ROTFLMAO...

 

[silverbear]

All that is for losers,at money time he doesnt get the W..

Let's see, how many come from behind wins has Tony engineered in his first two seasons as a starter??

That's what I call "money time"...

Meanwhile, YOUR quarterback is 0-10 in games in which he throws the ball 30 times or more... IOW, the only chance the Skins have of winning is to limit how much of a role he takes... at "money time", he DEFINITELY doesn't "get the W"...

 

[silverbear]

Here's some more fodder - a Q&A with Peter King who was at Commanders Camp today:

Okay. Finally: tell us something you saw at camp today that’s not going to make it into your Postcard From Camp, but that Commanders fans would want to know.
I’ll tell you something that IS going to make it into my postcard: I thought Jason Campbell had one of the best camp practices I’ve ever seen a quarterback have.
Really!
I mean, if he had four balls hit the ground in two hours, I’ll be surprised. I mean, the touch on this passes, his accuracy downfield, I was highly, highly impressed.
Now, I’ve seen him a few times over the years, and I’ve thought he’s okay, but I never saw him like I saw him today.
Do you think it’s Coach Zorn? What do you think it is?
I think it’s maturation, I think it’s fourth year in the NFL, I think it’s a lot of things. Now, you know what I like about him? He could have sat there with his eight different offensive systems in the last nine years of his football life and he could’ve said, “Woe is me, I am so sick of this crap, I’m going to go buy my own team so I can run the offense that I would want to run.”
But all he did was – evidently he MUST have – put his nose to the grindstone and learned another offense.
Now, you always, always hesitate [to judge] when there’s nobody rushing. I mean, one of the best camp practices I saw last year was Rex Grossman and I have become convinced now that Grossman is great when he knows he’s not going to get hit. And he still MIGHT be great. But I saw him two practices last year, he was fantastic, and then he was Rex Grossman when the lights came on. So we’ll see about Jason Campbell.
But, if I’m a Commanders fan watching this practice today, I go home and I’m really excited.
http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/07/25/at-the-park-today-talking-to-peter-king/

woot woot

Chuckle... if Peter King knew anything about football, he'd be working for some team... those who can, coach; those who can't, go into sports journalism...

 

[silverbear]

Campbell doesn't need to prove himself against live action. We have coach Zorn throwing exercise balls and blocking pads at him during the drills.

OK, that was wicked funny...

Did ya notice that in the three plays shown in the online clip of them throwing those pads at Jason, he only managed to connect on two of the three passes, to a receiver that nobody was covering??

Seems they're gonna have to spend a wee bit more their time throwing pads at him in practice...

 

[silverbear]

Nobody will care, but this will make it more fun

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/25/Commanders.postcard/index.html

click on link for rest

Never, ever take the Burger King seriously... I've heard from my sources that John Clayton beats him up on a near-daily basis...

 

[silverbear]

King also said this:
"Washington's skill players are the best in the division."

wow. Even I wouldn't say that.

Maybe if you asked him nice, he'd share his drugs with you...

 

[silverbear]

And as of now, you ONLY have a number 1 WR, with a bunch of number 4s

Our number 2 WR caught as many TD passes as your ENTIRE RECEIVING CORPS did last year...

Here's a simple rule for you, Skins fan-- if you're gonna talk trash about another team, first you'd better make sure that team isn't BETTER THAN YOURS...

 

[silverbear]

That is the saddest case of Cherry Picking I have seen.

Facts remain that your "number one receiver" is only marginally better than Crayton.


Wow ..... I had not noticed that he more than Doubled Moss's TD's

Sad sad sad

Guys, the obvious and easy answer when Skins fans go knocking our WRs is to point out that our number two receiver caught as many TD passes last year as the entire Commanders' receiving corps, all by himself...

 

[silverbear]

Crayton is a mediocre number 4 WR, whose last 8 games were worse then his first 8 games,

Show me ANY other "number 4 WR", on ANY team, that caught 50 passes for 697 yards and 7 TDs...

The statement above is beyond IDIOTIC... you lose credibility as a fan of the game of football when you say such profoundly stupid things...

 

[silverbear]

I'd agree with that. Of course the fact that he hasn't sustained it is why we are talking about potential. A QB who sustains good play is a good QB period. So, I'm not sure what your definition of a QB with potential would be...

I can answer that-- after 20 games as a starter, you get a pretty good read on a guy's "potential"... what we've seen with Campbell is what we're gonna get...

I think his ceiling in the NFL is to be a journeyman starter, one of those dime a dozen guys... I don't see him playing in any Pro Bowls, but I can see him being the quarterback of a winning team, provided the team he's leading is really good... put him on a mediocre squad, or a bad squad, and he won't elevate his team...

It's also possible that he'll never even rise to the level of a good journeyman, that he'll muddle along another year or two the way he has been for the Skins, and they'll go out and get somebody better... frankly, I think the second scenario is a lot more likely than the first... Jason just doesn't see the field well, he's too slow running through his progressions, and he's awfully inaccurate on the short stuff...

 

[ArmchairRedskin]

OK, that was wicked funny...

Did ya notice that in the three plays shown in the online clip of them throwing those pads at Jason, he only managed to connect on two of the three passes, to a receiver that nobody was covering??

Seems they're gonna have to spend a wee bit more their time throwing pads at him in practice...

Campbell only had one attempt in that clip. The guy that missed was Brennan.

 

[1fisher]

Our number 2 WR caught as many TD passes as your ENTIRE RECEIVING CORPS did last year...

Here's a simple rule for you, Skins fan-- if you're gonna talk trash about another team, first you'd better make sure that team isn't BETTER THAN YOURS...

ouch..... that will leave a mark!

:laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

welcome back silverbear lol