Sonny#9;2157988 said:
Well, at least you're not comparing him to Quincy Carter.
Actually, I do compare him to Quincy, and the comparison is quite valid... the two put up very similar numbers in their first 20 games as a starter, and both had a problem with the mental side of the game, both had a problem with accuracy (touch) on the short stuff...
The big difference is that Quincy was the better scrambler, and was a stoner...
4-0 win streak? For someone that is so objective and love numbers so much How bout this one: Collins beat the 11th, 13th, 22nd and 32nd pass defenses, while playing in the same system for 10 years. Not to mention the team got healthy and the line began to jell after some early season injuries. But I am sure those don't factor into it at all.
You've got an excuse for EVERYTHING, don't you??
That's what you get from homers, I reckon... Todd Collins went 4-0 with the same team that Jason Campbell went 5-7 with... the team "getting healthy" and the line "jelling" does not explain this discrepancy...
Consider that in 12 plus games as a starter, Campbell had all of four TD passes to his WRs, and in 3 plus games as the starter, Collins had three TD passes to his WRs... if you know anything about football, that ought to tell you that Jason was not utilizing his wide receivers properly...
As for the 0-10. Yes that's bad. But a deeper look into the numbers, are you going to tell me this game is Campbell's fault:
LOL... I point out that he's gone 0-10, and you defend him by saying in TWO of those games, it really wasn't his fault... of course, that means that the other 8 games WERE his fault, doesn't it??
Now, let's look a bit more closely at the two games you cite:
Guess you forgot about Jason fumbling the ball away with 2 and half minutes left to go in that one... there was a second fumble, that the stats keepers decided to blame on Casey Rabach... LOL...
In the last two possession of that game, with the game on the line, Campbell went 3 for 8, f0r 14 yards, with 1 sack and 1 fumble... yeah, I'd say he played a BIG role in that defeat... he threw the ball 34 times in that game, and only racked up 215 yards, a 6.3 average, which is substandard...
OK, the Skins lost this one, 17-14... and in the last three possessions of that game, with the game on the line, here are Campbell's numbers:
6 of 9, 39 yards, 0 TDs, 0 ints... the Skins ran 14 plays, and gained a total of 20 yards... Jason was sacked twice, and fumbled once (which he recovered)...
He had a chance to win the game, and did nothing... he also threw the ball 37 times, and only gained 217 yards... that's a 5.9 yards per attempt average, which is not good... and of his 21 completions in that game, only FOUR of them were to his WRs, which tells us that he was dumping the ball off a lot...
So even in those two games you cite, Campbell had a chance to put the team on his shoulders and carry them to victory (the way Tony Romo has already done several times), and he failed... in "crunch time" in those two games, he went 9 of 17 for 53 yards, with no TDs and no ints... he was sacked three times, and was part of three fumbles...
If that's the "potential" you see in Jason Campbell, you're welcome to it... the guy has consistently come up small in the clutch in his first 20 starts in the NFL... hell, the Skins have only averaged 191.6 net yards passing per game in his starts; they won't win much in the NFL with those kinds of numbers... that would only have ranked the Skins 23rd in the NFL last year (and was 65 yards less than the Cowboys averaged)...
Here's another stat for you: at this point in his career he has better numbers then both Matt Hasslebeck and Drew Brees. Both of those QBs are pretty good.
Hasselbeck after his first 20 starts-- 373/631, 4192 yards, 19 TDs, 15 ints... 59.1% completion percentage, 6.6 yards per attempt, 209.6 yards per game, 79.1 quarterback rating...
Campbell after his first 20 starts-- 360/624, 3997 yards, 22 TDs, 15 ints... 57.7% completion percentage, 6.4 yards per attempt, 199.9 yards per game, 77.3 quarterback rating...
Yeah, Jason had better numbers than Matt did... except for completion percentage, yards per attempt, yards per game and quarterback rating... LOL...
Now, his numbers WERE better than Brees' were, but your argument is still specious, because players do not progress at the same rate... the more TALENTED you are, the more you're likely to progress... so even if Campbell WAS better than those two at the same early stage of their respective careers (which I've demonstrated was not the case), it doesn't logically follow that he's as good as those two...
My point is he's improving.
Is he?? His quarterback rating was only marginally better in 07 than it was in 08 (77.6 to 76.5, a statistically negligible difference), while his TDs to ints ratio went down... he also lost 8 fumbles in 13 games in 07, compared to ZERO in 7 games in 06...
I'd suggest that the improvement you think you're seeing is mostly in your imagination, because it's certainly not reflected in his numbers...
And to cherry pick stats that don't include the whole picture is hardly objective.
Those stats are a whole lot more than YOU bring to the argument... and they stand completely unrebutted at this point... oh, you TRIED to rebut them (by pointing out two games out of the ten where Campbell threw for 30 times, but in your opinion was not responsible for losing the game), but the attempt was comically feeble...
Bottom line, Jason Campbell has NEVER led his team from behind to victory, and that's the measuring stick for how good a QB is... that alone ought to suggest to you that the guy's not nearly as good as you're frantically trying to convince yourself he is...
Get back to me when he's led a few come-from-behind victories, when he's take the team up on his shoulders and carried them home... until then, I am singularly unimpressed with Jason Campbell...
I suspect anybody who really knows anything about football, and has seen the guy play more than a handful of times (and is not a raging Skins homer) would agree with my assessment of him...
