Jason Campbell

[TellerMorrow34]

I can spot the obvious. I can see from this and other posts of yours that you have and always will think that anything non-Cowboys is inferior, no matter what. It's ok, you can live in your fantasy world, I don't mind.

At least wait and see if you make the postseason, or see if your choke artist QB can actually win a game that matters before you talk hollow trash talk

I think Campbell's problem is that the coaches let the fact that he's intellectually stupid get in the way of letting him play up to his potential. They have only unleashed him a few times in his career, and he played great when they did. Even with that, they still feel the need to keep him on a short leash and distrust him to make great decisions on the field, even though he proves them wrong every time they let him.

Maybe he is an idiot, but maybe he really just does have the brains for a great QB. A lot of people are only good at one thing, look how he played at Auburn with no restraints. It makes a lot of difference when you have a coach that calls for a run 60% of the time, or an o-line that gives you a half step of protection.

At least he has the balls to play football and not be a sissy QB like most are. He never slides, and went in head first as the lead blocker to set up the TD run for the Skins today. Romo would cower at the thought.

LOL! You can always tell when someone is getting super touchy. They go to the really stupid things to talk trash about like sliding and this lead blocker stuff. I was impressed that he ran down field, I give him props, but what he did on that play is hardly a physical block, of any kind. He ran down the field and got in front of a guy. He didn't attempt to get physical, at all, and he's actually quite lucky the guy was more interested in trying to make the tackle than he was in blowing up Campbell for trying to 'block him'.

And I guess that means he's SUPERMAN of QBs when he runs out of bounds on a run? That's not the equivelant of sliding to avoid unnecassary contact? But of course facts aren't needed in your hurt feelings world of defending your guy, right?

Personally I think some Cowboys fans are too hard on Campbell. I think the guy shows some potential to be a really good QB but he's still learning and still trying to get a coach, that sticks around with the same offensive philosphy, for more than a year. It would also help him out if he didn't have a couple of jokes for WR's. Sorry but Moss and ARE show up to actually play ball about 2-3 times a year, tops. They're not consistent, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

another guy whose supposed to be good but isn't, is Carlos Rogers, I see him give up catches regularly, Hixon was eating him up today

He's had two bad games this season, both of those against the Giants. What other examples do you have?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's had two bad games this season, both of those against the Giants. What other examples do you have?

he didn't look to good against us, Miles Austin made him look stupid on one route

 

[Danny White]

speaking of Extreme Skins and Commander fans

I wonder if some of them still think that Cooley and Fred Davis are the best TE tandem in the league, or that their Oline is still top 5

Laron Landry gets a lucky INT, but where the hell has he been all year? he's fast, and he can hit, but that's about it, Sean Taylor light

Some of them are finally starting to see the light on Landry as well. The guy is average, at best. That Horton kid they drafted this year is already clearly better than Landry.

 

[bbgun]

Fairfax, Va.: When is Jason Campbell going to be benched? The Skins won five in a row last season as Todd Collins was magically able to see the whole field and run the offense smoother than ever. Jason can't handle the pressure of a blitzing defense. He checked down before looking at options 2 and 3 on a regular basis yesterday. I hate to ask the question but should we give Todd Collins a shot?

Michael Wilbon: Ha! I knew it. I predicted the very first question today would be from some Screaming Mimi who wants something radical to be done because the Commanders lost a game to a superior team. I knew it. I shouldn't give myself too much credit, though, because it's so predictable that most NFL fans would behave this way, especially people who identify themselves as Commanders, who seem to be more knee-jerk than most.

Please, stop with the benching the QB nonsense. The Commanders aren't good enough on either line to play power football, which is what the Giants do best, what Dallas and the Steelers do very well...Stop. Line play. If the Commanders stop drafting WRs and trading good draft picks for WRs, then maybe their line play would allow them to be better. Clinton Portis PLAYS HIS HEART OUT every single down. The guy is amazing. His line isn't good enough. They try hard. They're smart. They want to do it...They give it everything they've got. And they're not good enough. Did you watch the Giants? Did you watch the Vikings last night manhandle the Bears in quite a few situations? That's line play, boys and girls. The Commanders can't pound the QB, even though their guys get after it pretty good. The Commanders are 7-5 good...not 10-2 good. They're okay, pretty good, might-make-the-playoffs-but-probably-not good...but they're not great and the QB ain't the problem. Neither is the RB. Neither is the coach. The WRs could be better...but are Tennessee's WRs any better? No. Their lines are better. Both of them. A lot better.

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[AmishCowboy]

Campbell's OK, maybe playing in the same system two years in a row for once will help him, they really need another WR to step up, Randle El simply isn't very good.

 

[Extreme]

Campbell's OK, maybe playing in the same system two years in a row for once will help him, they really need another WR to step up, Randle El simply isn't very good.

Randle El isn't even average, he flat out sucks. We got him expecting him to be this great slot receiver and return man, and you rarely see him make a play as a WR, and you almost never see him return a punt for more than a few steps. Every big play he has made as a Commander has been throwing the ball on a gadget play. I wish we'd get rid of him and get a real WR.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I think Campbell can play mistake-free football, but he's not really one to make a play when the play isn't an obvious one to make. His o-line lets him down some, but he does hold the ball too long. Our o-line looked like crap with Bledsoe back there and were very serviceable once Romo stepped in. It's just a matter of reading the defense and getting rid of the ball quickly and being able to sidestep the rush if necessary.

I hear the argument all the time that he has no weapons to throw to, but Moss is a legitimate number 1 WR and Cooley is a very good TE. He also has a great RB that the opposing defenses have to respect. Those are GOOD weapons.

I used to think Campbell would be a good QB, but now I'm starting to think that the Commanders need an upgrade at that position.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I know Commander fans hate hearing this, but Campbell is looking more like Quincy Carter by the minute

he's just been through too many offensive systems

I don't know if that's what screwed him up, or the fact that he chose to wear the number 17

 

[Aikbach]

I remember when Campbell was drafted all of the talking heads said he was a reach, a third round talent going in the first.

Well, I can't say that assessment was wrong: a third round talent handed first round expectations.

 

[RainMan]

I can spot the obvious. I can see from this and other posts of yours that you have and always will think that anything non-Cowboys is inferior, no matter what. It's ok, you can live in your fantasy world, I don't mind.

At least wait and see if you make the postseason, or see if your choke artist QB can actually win a game that matters before you talk hollow trash talk

I think Campbell's problem is that the coaches let the fact that he's intellectually stupid get in the way of letting him play up to his potential. They have only unleashed him a few times in his career, and he played great when they did. Even with that, they still feel the need to keep him on a short leash and distrust him to make great decisions on the field, even though he proves them wrong every time they let him.

Maybe he is an idiot, but maybe he really just does have the brains for a great QB. A lot of people are only good at one thing, look how he played at Auburn with no restraints. It makes a lot of difference when you have a coach that calls for a run 60% of the time, or an o-line that gives you a half step of protection.

At least he has the balls to play football and not be a sissy QB like most are. He never slides, and went in head first as the lead blocker to set up the TD run for the Skins today. Romo would cower at the thought.

It's ironic that you criticize a Cowboys fan for trashing Skins players, yet you throw out as many hollow insults as anyone in your own critique.

Romo is 0-2 in the playoffs and rightfully deserves to have his playoff resume questioned until/unless he wins one. But are you telling me you wouldn't take your chances with a QB who, while 0-2 in the playoffs, is about 26-9 as a starting quarterback, currently the highest rated passer of all time and in the league today, the third-most accurate passer ever and a guy who throws for 300 yards nearly every game with one of the highest yards-per-attempt in history (meaning, he's not chucking it 40 times to get to 300)?

As for Campbell, I see a pretty solid quarterback who, when everything around him is clicking, is a damn-good manager. Even when he's thrown for 300 yards, you don't get the impression he's taking the game over. I don't know that he has that sort of high-end potential. But I do think you can win with him.

He reminds me a little of David Garrard. Surround him with talent, and he'll have very few mistakes, put together and efficient ball game and win you more games than he loses. If there's a little bit of a breakdown in talent, though, I don't think he's good enough to shoulder the load and be a true "franchise" guy.

But you all have your ride hitched to Portis anyhow, so I don't necessarily think Campbell is a bad complementary quarterback. I do question what you have going on at receiver in the sense that I'm not sure Zorn/the system knows exactly what to do with the talent already there and with the new talent acquired.

Lastly, on Campbell, I think my biggest worry with him if I were a Skins fan is his pocket presence and delivery. He has a very strong arm, but a wind-up delivery that adds to his sackability. And he's already quite sackable as it is, it seems. Kind of like with Leftwich, I wonder if that could prove a deadly mix.

 

[RainMan]

You know one major factor? Romo had all the weapons in place when he took the reigns. The Commanders are building around Campbell, and that doesn't happen overnight.

No doubt. Romo inherited a good situation. But we also saw when we had Bledsoe -- and, to a lesser extend Brad Johnson (but I don't really count him because he's not even a sub-par quarterback; he's so bad he doesn't count) -- how average Owens and this offense could look.

So while Romo benefits from the talent around him, I don't think there's any doubt that he has also elevated the play of those around him.

No offense to Campbell, but stick him in this offense, and I think we'd see a lot more of the "Is TO washed up? Why did we acquire Roy Williams? What's happened to Witten?" threads.

 

[Extreme]

No doubt. Romo inherited a good situation. But we also saw when we had Bledsoe -- and, to a lesser extend Brad Johnson (but I don't really count him because he's not even a sub-par quarterback; he's so bad he doesn't count) -- how average Owens and this offense could look.

So while Romo benefits from the talent around him, I don't think there's any doubt that he has also elevated the play of those around him.

No offense to Campbell, but stick him in this offense, and I think we'd see a lot more of the "Is TO washed up? Why did we acquire Roy Williams? What's happened to Witten?" threads.

I agree with you almost 100%, but I was just saying Campbell, based on his actual ability, would be a lot better if a coach would just let him play. They openly admit that they hold him back a lot, because they're afraid he'll throw a pick if he goes deep. The way I see it, that's a chance you gotta take, and we just can't get a coach with balls enough to do it.

 

[burmafrd]

Any QB that tries to make plays and challenge a D will throw picks.

 

[kapolani]

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Hey Wibur!?!?

Which way did he go?!?!

 

[Sonny#9]

Refresh my memory, what's the Skins' record when Campbell throws the ball 30 or more times??

This year he is 4-3. Beating Arizona, Dallas, Seattle and New Orleans. Losing to Pittsbugh, Dallas, New York. He also has wins throwing 29 passes against Philly, and 28 passes against Detroit.

I know you love this little stat, but it's really useless.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Campbell gets a bum rap. He isn't a world-beater and probably will never be the guy that can carry a team, but if he had a good O-line and was allowed a few consecutive years in the same system, he could do the job. Look no further than Dan Snyder as to why this kid will not succeed in this league. Every year that team changes something that sets his learning curve back. They have got to keep Zorn for a few years if they want to give Campbell (and the rest of the offense) a fair shake. If I were a Commander fan I would probably change teams until Snyder sold it or backed out of the day to day operations.

Makes me realize just how much Dallas lucked out with Romo, though. Drafting QB's is a major crap-shoot. Plus, despite his faults, Jerry Jones recognizes the importance of consistency in the offensive scheme in order for the QB to succeed.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This year he is 4-3. Beating Arizona, Dallas, Seattle and New Orleans. Losing to Pittsbugh, Dallas, New York. He also has wins throwing 29 passes against Philly, and 28 passes against Detroit.

I know you love this little stat, but it's really useless.

as is the championing of your average team

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Jason Campbell sucks end of discussion.

 

[bbgun]

Czabe is losing faith.

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