Jason Garrett quickly becoming one of the longest term head coaches

[Galian Beast]

I'll be the first one to admit that I'm not a huge fan of Jason Garrett, though I do appreciate what he has put together here, and what he is putting together.

I'm actually glad that he was retained... yeah, shocker, I know. I agree with the sentiment that head coaching and QB stability results in wins, and it results in playoff success. Keeping systems in place make it easier to have success from year to year. While other teams are trying to implement new offenses and defenses, we're focused on getting better and executing better.

One of my biggest criticisms of Garret is that it seemed as though he was blocking some NFL quality coaching talent from coming here, particularly with Norv Turner and maybe even Dan Reeves back in 2009.

I think having Linehan and Marinelli here and with consistency from year to year gives us tremendous upside that is often overlooked. I think we're starting to see a lot less turnover on offense (even though we lost Murray), because the offense has stabilized. Linehan came in pretty much working off of Garrett's system which was similar to his own and this is Marinelli's second year as coordinator (though we ran the same system with Kiffin). Stability combined with smart player acquisition and I think we're on the right path.

Bill Belichick - 2000 - 175 games
Marvin Lewis - 2003 - 100 games
Tom Coughlin - 2004 - 96 games
Mike McCarthy - 2006 - 94 games
Sean Payton - 2006 - 80 games
Mike Tomlin - 2007 - 82 games
John Harbaugh - 2008 - 72 games
Jason Garrett 2010 - 41 games

I will say that basically everyone on this list one a super bowl within 3-4 years, so we do need to see some return from Garrett. I do think it was inappropriate for a rookie head coach to try to be offensive coordinator and head coach at the same time. I think that set us back. That being said, I think Garrett is going to be well placed in the future to be a top head coach. I do think he is smart and motivational. It was funny when Jerry said it, but the Cowboys did invest in training him to be the head coach. I just hope it didn't cost too much (i.e. Romo's career, it cost too much for Ware).

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Left off Pete Carol

 

[Doomsday]

Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett are just what the franchise needed to balance out some of Jerry's flaws. I have a feeling these 2 are going to be running things in big D for a while.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

I would take Garrett over Turner any day of the week. In 2009 I probably wouldn't have said that though.....

 

[CyberB0b]

Post 2/3 in less than 3 hours. Impressive. @xwalker and I are keeping track.

This thread is baseless, as the next most teniored coach has almost 60% more games than Garrett.

 

[Tabascocat]

I am having a harder time trying to hate on Garrett lately.................

Hope he continues to make me eat crow

 

[Galian Beast]

Left off Pete Carroll because he was the next on the list and for some reason appeared under Garrett.

8 coaches out of 31 that have more tenure than Garrett with their current teams. Out of those coaches, I'm guessing Marvin Lewis and Tom Coughlin are done within the next two years and Belichick will be gone after Brady retires unless he strikes gold with another quarterback or cheating schema.

That narrows the list down to at least only 6 coaches, and maybe only 5.

But yeah.... sounds pretty baseless to me.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I'll be the first one to admit that I'm not a huge fan of Jason Garrett, though I do appreciate what he has put together here, and what he is putting together.

I'm actually glad that he was retained... yeah, shocker, I know. I agree with the sentiment that head coaching and QB stability results in wins, and it results in playoff success. Keeping systems in place make it easier to have success from year to year. While other teams are trying to implement new offenses and defenses, we're focused on getting better and executing better.

One of my biggest criticisms of Garret is that it seemed as though he was blocking some NFL quality coaching talent from coming here, particularly with Norv Turner and maybe even Dan Reeves back in 2009.

I think having Linehan and Marinelli here and with consistency from year to year gives us tremendous upside that is often overlooked. I think we're starting to see a lot less turnover on offense (even though we lost Murray), because the offense has stabilized. Linehan came in pretty much working off of Garrett's system which was similar to his own and this is Marinelli's second year as coordinator (though we ran the same system with Kiffin). Stability combined with smart player acquisition and I think we're on the right path.

Bill Belichick - 2000 - 175 games
Marvin Lewis - 2003 - 100 games
Tom Coughlin - 2004 - 96 games
Mike McCarthy - 2006 - 94 games
Sean Payton - 2006 - 80 games
Mike Tomlin - 2007 - 82 games
John Harbaugh - 2008 - 72 games
Jason Garrett 2010 - 41 games

I will say that basically everyone on this list one a super bowl within 3-4 years, so we do need to see some return from Garrett. I do think it was inappropriate for a rookie head coach to try to be offensive coordinator and head coach at the same time. I think that set us back. That being said, I think Garrett is going to be well placed in the future to be a top head coach. I do think he is smart and motivational. It was funny when Jerry said it, but the Cowboys did invest in training him to be the head coach. I just hope it didn't cost too much (i.e. Romo's career, it cost too much for Ware).

I agree that stability is important, but lets not act like Garrett did not make some huge blunders during his "training" that directly cost us games.

As far as being a top head coach, that will only come with playoff wins...........how many we will ultimately have under Garrett will determine his legacy here. If Garrett wins a SB during his time in Dallas, he will be remembered like Jimmy Johnson is. However, if we win a couple of playoff games and never advance to the SB, Garrett will probably be thought of more like Wade Phillups (a decent head coach that will win you some playoff games but never a championship).

We shall see..............

 

[JoeBoBBY]

I was a big fan from day one of hiring JG. Then three straight seasons of 8-8 and I was ready to clean house.

I think I was just so tired of losing. JJ, Romo, JG, the whole bunch of them.... tear it down, because we had become a league joke. I thought for sure, last year, was the last year for many people.

But, with contracts, and the way everything fell into place, JJ kept JG, and it worked. JJ should get credit for that. -- I dont want to see another HC for a long long time......

 

[Idgit]

If I recall correctly, some if us were correctly making these very arguments before his extension. And by "some of us," of course, I mean "me."

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

I don't care about that....
I want a Super Bowl win.

 

[CATCH17]

He's a good Monday - Saturday coach.

Gameday he offers nothing.

It is unacceptable to be so basic at the NFL level from a scheme standpoint as we are.

Luckily we built a line that can impose their will on teams but if it ever comes down to play design it's usually just us hoping Romo can make a play outside of the scheme.

 

[windward]

For how long are we going to have to hear about coaching "blunders" from 2011 and 2012? Or the Garrett "OJT" narrative? It has zero impact on things going forward. I do think it has been blown way out of proportion considering we still finished .500 with less than .500 quality teams.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

He's a good Monday - Saturday coach.

Gameday he offers nothing.

It is unacceptable to be so basic at the NFL level from a scheme standpoint as we are.

Luckily we built a line that can impose their will on teams but if it ever comes down to play design it's usually just us hoping Romo can make a play outside of the scheme.

You don't give Garrett any credit for 12-4?

 

[windward]

You don't give Garrett any credit for 12-4?

Consider the poster.

 

[pancakeman]

If I recall correctly, some if us were correctly making these very arguments before his extension. And by "some of us," of course, I mean "me."

Well, to my credit I think I was "liking" those posts.

 

[theogt]

I still can't bring myself to like Garrett personally. His first few years he was so arrogant and acted like a petulant child, doing and saying anything to preserve himself above all else.

But I like winning. And I can recognize that this team is built to win not only this year but the next 3-4 years as well. I don't think Jason deserves the credit for that necessarily but he is part of a team that has made that happen. He has the coordinators to do the job, and doesn't get in their way. He has a front office that has become quite good at assembling talent and he doesn't get in their way. His role seems to be as the guy the connects all the parts without actually doing any of the parts. And that's fine. He seems to be doing that well.

 

[CATCH17]

You don't give Garrett any credit for 12-4?

Yes because I do think talent evaluation is something he is good at and I believe a lot of these guys are here because of him. I also think he does a great job of keeping the team focused.

I just don't like how our offense relies solely on talent.

I don't like how a team can just take Dez out of a game and we don't do simple things to get his hands on the ball.

I don't like how it took us almost all of Garretts career here and half of last season to finally not be so stubborn against these teams that load the box on us and press us out wide and finally start to draw up some plays that expose that a little.

 

[Galian Beast]

I still can't bring myself to like Garrett personally. His first few years he was so arrogant and acted like a petulant child, doing and saying anything to preserve himself above all else.

But I like winning. And I can recognize that this team is built to win not only this year but the next 3-4 years as well. I don't think Jason deserves the credit for that necessarily but he is part of a team that has made that happen. He has the coordinators to do the job, and doesn't get in their way. He has a front office that has become quite good at assembling talent and he doesn't get in their way. His role seems to be as the guy the connects all the parts without actually doing any of the parts. And that's fine. He seems to be doing that well.

I think if Garrett got the coordinators early on his his career as a head coach, which I think he wasn't experienced enough for to begin with, we could have done better than 8-8 while we ushered in his vision of what the team would look like.

 

[Galian Beast]

Yes because I do think talent evaluation is something he is good at and I believe a lot of these guys are here because of him. I also think he does a great job of keeping the team focused.

I just don't like how our offense relies solely on talent.

I don't like how a team can just take Dez out of a game and we don't do simple things to get his hands on the ball.

I don't like how it took us almost all of Garretts career here and half of last season to finally not be so stubborn against these teams that load the box on us and press us out wide and finally start to draw up some plays that expose that a little.

I think a second year in Linehan will be able to do more with this offense, though that being said, I could be writing my own narrative.