Jason Hatcher = Poor Man's Mario Williams

[WoodysGirl]

Now I am forced to root for a tiger, oh the shame.:bang2:

The horror!

 

[NorthDalal]

So is anybody here willing to bet any money that Mario Williams will have a better NFL career than Jason Hatcher? I sure wouldn't act like I know what is going to happen based on one guy being picked first overall and another guy being a "sleeper" pick.
For example, Keyshawn #1 overall pick in 1996, T.O. was the 89th pick in that draft. Who is considered to have had the better on-field career at this point? This example is actually a really close comparison with T.O. being the 89th pick and Hatcher being the 92nd pick.
Another example, Courtney Brown #1 overall pick in 2000, Tom Brady #199 overall. Not the same position you say. First QB taken in 2000 was Pennington with the 18th pick. I'd still take the guy at 199 please.
I'm not saying that Hatcher will be better than Willimas just because I am a die-hard Cowboys fan. I have no idea and none of us do. What I am saying is that it's not crazy to just consider it possible. What is crazy is those who pretend like it isn't even debatable because of where the players being compared were picked. Look at any draft and you will find tons of situations that would be laughable to the so-called draft experts on draft day.

Your well thought out comparisons don't carry any weight with some of the non-cowboy fan draft experts here because they're trying very hard to be right based on their extensive non-film and non-personal-observation-based skills at judging NFL talent.

Nothing like being an instant genius by reading a bunch of draft reports online.

Akili Smith, Cade Mcnown, and Woody Danzler sure did dominate in college didn't they? I'm sure Vince Young will do the same.

How does that 1994 draft look to Washington Heath Schuler w/ the #3 pick then Gus Ferotte in the 7th round--same scouting staff how does that happen
And, how about Green Bay (and Joe Theisman ripping the Cowboys for taking Aikman #1) favoring Tony Mandarich back in 1989? The Packers left the next three picks on the board, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas and Deion Sanders, probably three HOFers, to take Mandarich.

But of course, these were the mistakes of professional full time scouts who actually broke down film---we actually have real experts right here on Cowboyszone who can tell you without a doubt that they know Mario Williams is better than Hatcher--after all the Texans never make mistakes do they?

 

[J-DOG]

I guess my problem with the comparison is that Mario Williams hasn't proven himself on the field on the NFL level, just like Hatcher hasn't. There's an obvious difference in draft selection, true. But really, no one knows how either of these cats are going to develop once the pads come on.

If there's going to be a comparison, then why not compare him to someone who's done it, such as Lett, as Jerry mentioned.

Your thoughts on Mario Williams are right on.
All the more reason you take Bush with that first pick.
After 5 years in the league the Texans had this epifany that "Defense wins championships".
Give me a break!
The Texans are right were they were when they entered the league...at the bottom.
When I heard that the Texans were taking Williams over Bush I shook my head and said" That's why they are the Texans".

Why anyone would question Hatcher's pick is ridiculous.
The guy has the measurables and size to be a good/great player. Whether he is or not only time will tell.
In the third round to get a prospect like this is good quality.
Mario has the tag of taking plays off....Did Bush have that tag????
Hmmmmmn.

 

[Bobo]

He sounds a lot like Kevin Carter.

Yep, and it'd be very nice if he turned out like Carter :starspin

 

[Bizwah]

Here’s what I’ve got for Hatcher at the combine:

6’6”
284 pounds
4.82 forty
35.5” vertical
28 bench press reps

Compared to other DE’s at the combine:

- T2nd in height (Williams was the tallest)
- 2nd in weight (Williams was the heaviest)
- 21st in the forty (Indiana’s Ben Ishola was the fastest)
- 8th in the vertical
- t9th in the bench press (Ohio States Mike Kudla did the most)


Compared to other DT’s at the combine:

- 1st in height
- Last in weight
- 1st in the forty
- 1st in the vertical
- 13th in the bench press


Rich………

Wow! He'd be tough as a 4-3 DE.

Can't wait to see him develop. Hopefully, he receives coaching well. It's been quite a while since we've found a superstud sleeper.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Man, some of you guys are overreacting to the comparison.

Lighten up.

For what it's worth, RealCowboysfan, I thought the same thing.

I personally feel that Mario Williams is hugely overrated. The guy was hardly dominating on the college level - why did I just keep seeing him make plays against Maryland?

Similarly, I believe Jason Hatcher is correct in saying that he didn't have the best coaching at Grambling. That's not a knock on the coaching staff. It did the best it could. But the weight program, the teaching and instruction and the insight is not the same as it is on a major college level.

I won't say he'll be the next Julius Pepper or Richard Seymour, but he has the measureables and if it is true he lacks refinement and can grasp all he'll be taught, he should be pretty good because he has the size and speed.

And therein lies the comparison to Mario Williams.

GOOD POINT