Jason Witten as OC?

[RustyBourneHorse]

Why exactly do you like the idea of him calling plays? What has he done to give you any confidence in his ability to call plays for an NFL offense?

I mean, I don't know if it means much, but his hs coaching record is solid. Plus, Ben Johnson, if we bring him in as HC, would probably call the plays. At the very least, I'd start Witten as a TE coach. But, if Johnson wants to call plays, then Witten as OC could make for a coach that can help bring a more physical offense. It's not so much about the playcalling so much as bringing a physical offense.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

And on this team I did not think it would be good we need all outsiders no Direct Line to Jerry that's just my opinion but yeah if Whitten wants to break in I think he should do it on another team as a assistant OC or a tight end coach and get his taste under a really good OC before you move him that fast I mean we've seen this with Garrett with a little too fast too soon and at least he was a quarterback he had a general understanding of how plays are called that's a bigger gap for a tight end I mean quarterbacks are already like an assistant offensive coordinator to their coordinators they're literally even on the sideline the backups are calling in in a Daisy chain the plays that are being called by the OC to the quarterback they're listening all the time they're actually they're in their ear they know what play calling is a tight end is pretty separated from that so you're taking too big a leap man and you guys are just really grasping at straws here wanting X players here I don't want them here right now..

This isn't the lion situation which by the way the lions have never done anything and they haven't done squat but they may be starting something good but they don't have the problems with the owner I don't even know the owner's name with the lions you just don't want X players here no nepotism let's bring in a tough nosed defensive minded guy to really let that spread I'd rather be like the Texans right now I mean new england's trying it I think they're trying it with the Raiders it's a mixed bag but I'll take what the Texans are trying to do they got a hard nosed guy and I believe didn't the Pittsburgh Steelers what was Tomlin before he became the head coach over there that's what we need that that dude gets so little respect really his name don't come up to how consistent he is with his teams no matter what the talent is he tries to get as much out of it I want one of those I think Vrabel might be the closest thing or Billlichick

I mean, that may be, but I love what Campbell's doing in Detroit. I'd be thrilled with Vrabel. Honestly, we can't go wrong either way with Vrabel or Johnson. I think if we go Vrabel, then Witten at TE coach makes a lot of sense. If we go Johnson, then Witten at OC makes a lot of sense. Either way, we are bound to be a more physical team.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I mean, I don't know if it means much, but his hs coaching record is solid. Plus, Ben Johnson, if we bring him in as HC, would probably call the plays. At the very least, I'd start Witten as a TE coach. But, if Johnson wants to call plays, then Witten as OC could make for a coach that can help bring a more physical offense. It's not so much about the playcalling so much as bringing a physical offense.

He has a record as a HS coach. You dont bring in a HS coach to be an NFL OC.

Also Ben Johnson wanted 15 million a year. McCarthy gets 5. So thats not happening

 

[blueblood70]

I mean, that may be, but I love what Campbell's doing in Detroit. I'd be thrilled with Vrabel. Honestly, we can't go wrong either way with Vrabel or Johnson. I think if we go Vrabel, then Witten at TE coach makes a lot of sense. If we go Johnson, then Witten at OC makes a lot of sense. Either way, we are bound to be a more physical team.

Campble's not available ???? where do you get that ??

how do you know that anybody else is gonna repeat that you think that this stuff is blueprints where you can just grab people from any tree and automatically, they come in and do the same thing no there's also talent level GM drafts there's all kinds of things that you have to lean on/???????

That's not the case remember early on how many Belichick clones failed? Too many to count and it happens all the time you think getting someone that's really good with the offensive players he has with everything exactly the way they want it right now it's going to repeat that where they go we should've learned from that a long time ago some or I should say many very highly successful coordinators never make good head coaches they fail they go back and then they're very good coordinators again we've seen it over and over and you think getting other people's coordinators coming in as a head coach you can repeat everything no that's a risk that's why I don't care what Campbell is offering right now he's not coming here so why do you think his people are gonna clone what he's doing remember how it says it starts at the top the ownership in the gym are trusting DC to do his thing but just his people are there he's got the players and now he's doing OK..

But again you guys now think this all sudden they're going to repeat that here just because you get his offensive coordinator to do what he's doing there here

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You can make your list and I'm making mine and mine will all have defensive minded head coaches and no walk around individual coordinators but yeah if Ben Johnson comes here that's fine I'm not gonna argue it but I think it's a mistake we've been making here for a very long time with the offensive minded coaches the head coaches I wanna see something different..

 

[fivetwos]

Oh, no doubt. I would want a coach like Ben Johnson to pick his own OCs and such, and I could see Witten starting as a TE coach. But I would imagine Campbell might be interested in Witten on his coaching staff too.

I’m sure the next HC choice will have “strong suggestions” from Jerry about the staff hires. Jerry wants at least one of “his guys” in place and is a control freak at the highest level.

That could all be fine if he was any good at this. He isn’t. Making it monumentally worse is he thinks he is great at it.

I’d wager my entire life that he would rather not win at all than win with someone else getting the almighty “credit” that Jimmy did. That burns Jerry every day to the point where he would rather deal with this mess than enjoy the very finest things that life could possibly offer.

Instead of being on a yacht in the Mediterranean with a 20 person staff catering to his every need, etc…..he would rather still try to prove he is a “football guy” and be in front of a mic in Frisco, Tx.

The sad part is that there’s nothing that could happen that would make anyone feel that way.

He could actually be a hero to the fanbase by stepping aside and admitting he can’t get it done, but it’s not about us and never will be. He laughs, throws the finger up and collects his cash.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

He has a record as a HS coach. You dont bring in a HS coach to be an NFL OC.

Also Ben Johnson wanted 15 million a year. McCarthy gets 5. So thats not happening

I mean, I see that about Ben Johnson. That said, there's no cap on coaching. Plus, do I think this will happen? No, but do I want it? Yes

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Campble's not available ???? where do you get that ??

how do you know that anybody else is gonna repeat that you think that this stuff is blueprints where you can just grab people from any tree and automatically, they come in and do the same thing no there's also talent level GM drafts there's all kinds of things that you have to lean on/???????

That's not the case remember early on how many Belichick clones failed? Too many to count and it happens all the time you think getting someone that's really good with the offensive players he has with everything exactly the way they want it right now it's going to repeat that where they go we should've learned from that a long time ago some or I should say many very highly successful coordinators never make good head coaches they fail they go back and then they're very good coordinators again we've seen it over and over and you think getting other people's coordinators coming in as a head coach you can repeat everything no that's a risk that's why I don't care what Campbell is offering right now he's not coming here so why do you think his people are gonna clone what he's doing remember how it says it starts at the top the ownership in the gym are trusting DC to do his thing but just his people are there he's got the players and now he's doing OK..

But again you guys now think this all sudden they're going to repeat that here just because you get his offensive coordinator to do what he's doing there here

?
You can make your list and I'm making mine and mine will all have defensive minded head coaches and no walk around individual coordinators but yeah if Ben Johnson comes here that's fine I'm not gonna argue it but I think it's a mistake we've been making here for a very long time with the offensive minded coaches the head coaches I wanna see something different..

I'm talking about getting Ben Johnson from the Campbell tree. I want a defencive coach too, but, either Vrabel or Johnson would be great coaches for us. I wouldn't complain at either at HC. As for Witten, I think OC for Johnson because I would imagine Johnson will want to call plays. If Vrabel is the coach, then Witten at TE coach makes a lot of sense. Heck, if Johnson wants Witten at TE coach, that works too. Either way, I think Witten in some coaching capacity here is actually not a bad idea.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I mean, I see that about Ben Johnson. That said, there's no cap on coaching. Plus, do I think this will happen? No, but do I want it? Yes

There is no cap on coaching, but look at what Jones is paying a SB winning coach and tell me there is any chance he pays 15 million to promote an OC

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I’m sure the next HC choice will have “strong suggestions” from Jerry about the staff hires. Jerry wants at least one of “his guys” in place and is a control freak at the highest level.

That could all be fine if he was any good at this. He isn’t. Making it monumentally worse is he thinks he is great at it.

I’d wager my entire life that he would rather not win at all than win with someone else getting the almighty “credit” that Jimmy did. That burns Jerry every day to the point where he would rather deal with this mess than enjoy the very finest things that life could possibly offer.

Instead of being on a yacht in the Mediterranean with a 20 person staff catering to his every need, etc…..he would rather still try to prove he is a “football guy” and be in front of a mic in Frisco, Tx.

The sad part is that there’s nothing that could happen that would make anyone feel that way.

He could actually be a hero to the fanbase by stepping aside and admitting he can’t get it done, but it’s not about us and never will be. He laughs, throws the finger up and collects his cash.

I know, and I want Jerry to step aside. But that doesn't mean that Witten in some capacity on the coaching staff is a bad idea just because Jerry suggested it. I think it could work, but probably at te coach to start. If Witten can make us more physical, I'm all for it.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

There is no cap on coaching, but look at what Jones is paying a SB winning coach and tell me there is any chance he pays 15 million to promote an OC

I mean, maybe not, and Vrabel would be an option too for me and having Witten at TE coach works too. Either way, we need to be more physical, and Johnson or Vrabel work. And Witten would probably want that too. So, I think it can work.

 

[DallasInDC]

I mean, we don't exactly have a great one now. I could see Jason Witten having at least a good mindset that he can instill. Not to mention he learned how to play tight end in the NFL from Dan Campbell his first few years. I think he could be a good OC for us. Gotta start him somewhere, and I actually like the idea of him calling plays.

I would rather bring him in as a position coach and let him develop into the role...not just bring him straight from HS to coaching to the second most important coaching position on the team.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Not necessarily, but we could be developing our own coach in the future. Plus, if we have Vrabel or Ben Johnson, that could make for a good coaching room. Plus, he learned from Campbell and Parcells. If we want a Parcells disciple, Witten does technically fall under that category.

Wouldn’t it be a better idea to hire a head coach and then require him to put together a staff of his choosing? The Cowboys are already going to have difficulty attracting any of the top head coaching prospects. Why make it more difficult by indicating to potential candidates that they will not be empowered to select their coaching staff?

 

[JW82]

Can only run so many Y-options.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Plus, do I think this will happen? No, but do I want it? Yes

If you keep puttinh the "Will it happen, no. Do I want it, yes" out there then you are setting yourself and other Cowboys fans up for major disappointments. One of the problems with this fanbase is that they seem to make a conscientious effort to not be rational

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I would rather bring him in as a position coach and let him develop into the role...not just bring him straight from HS to coaching to the second most important coaching position on the team.

That works too. Having him at TE coach would be great.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Wouldn’t it be a better idea to hire a head coach and then require him to put together a staff of his choosing? The Cowboys are already going to have difficulty attracting any of the top head coaching prospects. Why make it more difficult by indicating to potential candidates that they will not be empowered to select their coaching staff?

I agree with that, but I'm just saying that id love it if we could get Witten as a TE coach at least.

 

[MapleLeaf]

NO!!!!

Enough of bringing in peopel who have not proven at the NFL level their operational capability.

He can come in and be the QC employee for a while and prove he can identify and alert for situational football. Then take on a sub-unit - not TEs - to prove his ability to lead yong players in an area he has little subject matter expertise.

Then go to TEs and show how you can be world class at identifying and coaching your expertise. If you somehow show well then consider a coordinator position. By then he has shown an ability for coaching his subject matter expertise. Coaching an area that is not his subject matter expertise and should be given a chance to coordinate.

Just elevating him just because of HS football success is another example of lay people who over value the experience that is HS football. IMO this is a recipe for disaster. Are the Cowboys not enough of a disaster for fans already?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

If you keep puttinh the "Will it happen, no. Do I want it, yes" out there then you are setting yourself and other Cowboys fans up for major disappointments. One of the problems with this fanbase is that they seem to make a conscientious effort to not be rational

I mean, should I just expect another crap coach and be miserable?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

NO!!!!

Enough of bringing in peopel who have not proven at the NFL level their operational capability.

He can come in and be the QC employee for a while and prove he can identify and alert for situational football. Then take on a sub-unit - not TEs - to prove his ability to lead yong players in an area he has little subject matter expertise.

Then go to TEs and show how you can be world class at identifying and coaching your expertise. If you somehow show well then consider a coordinator position. By then he has shown an ability for coaching his subject matter expertise. Coaching an area that is not his subject matter expertise and should be given a chance to coordinate.

Just elevating him just because of HS football success is another example of lay people who over value the experience that is HS football. IMO this is a recipe for disaster. Are the Cowboys not enough of a disaster for fans already?

That works too having him as a TE coach. Either way, I think he'd be an interesting coach idea, and he does have ties to Campbell and Parcells.

 

[charron]

Jason is not ready to be an OC at this level. He's done a pretty good job at the HS level and I wouldn't mind seeing him as an NFL coach but not as OC just yet.