Jason Witten as OC?

[StuckMojo]

Jump straight from being a high school coach to an NFL OC?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I mean, should I just expect another crap coach and be miserable?

Well you arent going to speak Ben Johnson into existence. So ya, you should expect another Mike McCarthyesque hire because thats whats most likely going to happen

 

[blueblood70]

I'm talking about getting Ben Johnson from the Campbell tree. I want a defencive coach too, but, either Vrabel or Johnson would be great coaches for us. I wouldn't complain at either at HC. As for Witten, I think OC for Johnson because I would imagine Johnson will want to call plays. If Vrabel is the coach, then Witten at TE coach makes a lot of sense. Heck, if Johnson wants Witten at TE coach, that works too. Either way, I think Witten in some coaching capacity here is actually not a bad idea.

All I'm saying is we've seen this in the past coordinators come in and fail as head coaches you do realize there's no guarantee getting somebody else's coordinator and turning him into a head coach it's failed more than it's worked.. Why is that just being looked over like you don't remember I prefer to have an experienced head coach here whether it comes from college or the pros and let him pick his coordinators I wanna walk around head coach that can focus on the small things and keep the attention of everyone and that wouldn't be afraid to fire himself IEI don't need him to be in that position so I'd rather have a regular coordinator that has to answer to his head coach that's why I want Vrabel or Bill Belichick or somebody that's been a damn head coach and a tough one at that..

I realize the hot top Ben Johnson's name keeps coming up but be careful we've seen it coordinators sometimes look really good because of his head coach and the talent they have and the GM and the owner the environment you come into Dallas the environment is completely different you don't guarantee success for these guys you bring in a seasoned head coach like vrabel or Bill Belichick I think we're better off here as the Dallas Cowboys there's a lot of pressure there's 100 times the media coverage and the scrutiny that comes with being part of the Dallas Cowboys don't have to deal with Jerry Jones...

 

[blueblood70]

Jump straight from being a high school coach to an NFL OC?

Yep that's what they're saying and I'm saying Nope.... Sanders is the more ready guy at least he's been a head coach now at two schools to be bit more ready for NFL but Meyers and others like Saban , chip, Petrino, all fell hard..its not that easy!!now double that pressure being part of the Dallas Cowboys and working with the JOnses..

 

[MapleLeaf]

I'm talking about getting Ben Johnson from the Campbell tree. I want a defencive coach too, but, either Vrabel or Johnson would be great coaches for us. I wouldn't complain at either at HC. As for Witten, I think OC for Johnson because I would imagine Johnson will want to call plays. If Vrabel is the coach, then Witten at TE coach makes a lot of sense. Heck, if Johnson wants Witten at TE coach, that works too. Either way, I think Witten in some coaching capacity here is actually not a bad idea.

Having Witten join is not a problem, but remember when he departed the team his discussion with MM.

He didn't want to pay his dues at the bottom. It is a bad premise to believe great players make great coaches.

I had a chance to talk to Wayne Gretzky a few years back informally to chat about his time in coaching. He was quite adamant that great players do not make the most effective coaches in senior positions. His coaching results with the Coyotes was his personal experience was a hard earned lesson in humility.

 

[Ranching]

So, firstly, below is his record as a HS coach since taking over in 2021.

https://www.nfl.com/news/11-time-cowboys-pro-bowl-te-jason-witten-coaches-high-school-team-to-state-title#:~:text=Liberty Christian is a kindergarten,26-10 in three seasons.

I think Jason Witten is an intriguing option. Based on a previous thread about Jerry talking about Witten as a potential NFL coach. He's got a good record as a coach in high school. What if we had him as OC?


I think Vrabel, Ben Johnson, or Glenn at HC and Witten at OC would be intriguing options. I, for one, would be intrigued to see it. I think Vrabel at HC, Witten (who knows Dak) at OC, and Bones at ST would be a fascinating coaching room. I could see that room developing a physical team. I would sign up for that actually.

He'd be a better HC. An OC needs to know what he's doing, a good head coach needs to hire good coordinators....that will allow him the time needed to oversee the entire team and game. Clock management, motivation, dictate play calling to maximize both sides of the ball. Take care of the defense when we're on offense and vice versa......

 

[tm1119]

Would be a good way to perpetuate the dysfunctional circus this franchise has become.

But would any sane person that wants to win football games entertain this idea? Hell no

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Jason is not ready to be an OC at this level. He's done a pretty good job at the HS level and I wouldn't mind seeing him as an NFL coach but not as OC just yet.

True, and a TE coach would be a good place to start imo. The reason I mentioned his hs coaching record is because it shows he can instill a culture. He knows how to win. I think starting him at TE coach and letting him work his way to OC isn't a bad idea. I think at some point, he will make a good NFL OC.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

He'd be a better HC. An OC needs to know what he's doing, a good head coach needs to hire good coordinators....that will allow him the time needed to oversee the entire team and game. Clock management, motivation, dictate play calling to maximize both sides of the ball. Take care of the defense when we're on offense and vice versa......

That works, but how to start him? I think letting him start as a TE coach and working him up isn't a bad idea. His HS record tells me he can instill a culture. If he can have some time learning from someone from the Campbell tree (since he played with him under Parcells), I think it will be invaluable in developing him into an NFL-level coach. From there, who knows? Imagine if we get our own Campbell?

 

[MapleLeaf]

He'd be a better HC. An OC needs to know what he's doing, a good head coach needs to hire good coordinators....that will allow him the time needed to oversee the entire team and game. Clock management, motivation, dictate play calling to maximize both sides of the ball. Take care of the defense when we're on offense and vice versa......

How do we know he would even be a good HC under NFL conditions? Can he handle the press? Can he handle young players who stray?

Can he do the myriad of things the head of the on-field product is suppose to manage while crap is happening off-field with his team and his GM?

We are considering this man for a job with a hundred different balls to juggle when he hasn't proven he can juggle even 10. Iam all for Jason being considered for joining the Cowboys, but he has to start at the bottom to prove his ability.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Nah Jerry gonna make him the new HC.

What a clown show.

 

[Bigrandrn]

Has he shown he has any kind of offensive play creation/calling mind? This would be a HUGE leap.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Well you arent going to speak Ben Johnson into existence. So ya, you should expect another Mike McCarthyesque hire because thats whats most likely going to happen

Well, either way, getting Witten on as a TE coach could be a good place to start. I wouldn't rush Witten, but starting him at TE coach and positioning him for a higher run, who knows? It'd be cool if we can end up with our own Campbell.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Nah Jerry gonna make him the new HC.

What a clown show.

Well, if he starts as a TE coach and isn't rushed into it, it's not a bad idea. But it would need to be in several years from now. I could see him becoming a Campbell-style coach, but we need someone from the Campbell tree to make that happen. I'd imagine we would become physical.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Well, if he starts as a TE coach and isn't rushed into it, it's not a bad idea. But it would need to be in several years from now. I could see him becoming a Campbell-style coach, but we need someone from the Campbell tree to make that happen. I'd imagine we would become physical.

It will be next year.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Having Witten join is not a problem, but remember when he departed the team his discussion with MM.

He didn't want to pay his dues at the bottom. It is a bad premise to believe great players make great coaches.

I had a chance to talk to Wayne Gretzky a few years back informally to chat about his time in coaching. He was quite adamant that great players do not make the most effective coaches in senior positions. His coaching results with the Coyotes was his personal experience was a hard earned lesson in humility.

I mean, that's fair, but Campbell was a solid player too. I could see him learning a Campbell-style of coaching, especially given his background.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

It will be next year.

I mean, that'd be dumb, but the idea would be to see if he can get some Campbell coaches.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Well, either way, getting Witten on as a TE coach could be a good place to start. I wouldn't rush Witten, but starting him at TE coach and positioning him for a higher run, who knows? It'd be cool if we can end up with our own Campbell.

Campbell was a backup TE. Backup players with limited athletic ability tend to make the best coaches. Witten is a gifted HOF player. They tend to make very poor coaches. Hard pass from me even as TE coach. Let him keep coaching HS

 

[Ranching]

How do we know he would even be a good HC under NFL conditions? Can he handle the press? Can he handle young players who stray?

Can he do the myriad of things the head of the on-field product is suppose to manage while crap is happening off-field with his team and his GM?

We are considering this man for a job with a hundred different balls to juggle when he hasn't proven he can juggle even 10. Iam all for Jason being considered for joining the Cowboys, but he has to start at the bottom to prove his ability.

I didn't say he would be good....but, he has a better chance of success as a HC than a coordinator....

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

All I'm saying is we've seen this in the past coordinators come in and fail as head coaches you do realize there's no guarantee getting somebody else's coordinator and turning him into a head coach it's failed more than it's worked.. Why is that just being looked over like you don't remember I prefer to have an experienced head coach here whether it comes from college or the pros and let him pick his coordinators I wanna walk around head coach that can focus on the small things and keep the attention of everyone and that wouldn't be afraid to fire himself IEI don't need him to be in that position so I'd rather have a regular coordinator that has to answer to his head coach that's why I want Vrabel or Bill Belichick or somebody that's been a damn head coach and a tough one at that..

I realize the hot top Ben Johnson's name keeps coming up but be careful we've seen it coordinators sometimes look really good because of his head coach and the talent they have and the GM and the owner the environment you come into Dallas the environment is completely different you don't guarantee success for these guys you bring in a seasoned head coach like vrabel or Bill Belichick I think we're better off here as the Dallas Cowboys there's a lot of pressure there's 100 times the media coverage and the scrutiny that comes with being part of the Dallas Cowboys don't have to deal with Jerry Jones...

Sure, and I get that. Like I said, either Vrabel or Johnson would be good choices, and getting Witten in as a TE coach wouldn't be a bad idea either .