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is our most complete, accomplished and proven player on offense (possibly on the team). Yes we have other threats/potential threats, but Witten is our go to guy. He has lead the team in receptions the past 2 years (i dont see that changing this year) and he practices hard, plays harder, and comes to work even when hes hurt.

Now as i look through history (say from 85 onward), there has not been a great team that the go to man was a tight end. I thought about Denver (shannon sharpe) but terrell davis and rod smith were the go to guys. Then I thought about the Ravens, and shannon sharpe was the go to man. But that team went 5 consecutive games without an offensive touchdown, and they still went 3 and 2 in that stretch.

Now i dont think our offense will be nearly as horrid as the ravens was that season, but I dont think our D will be nearly as stout either.

My question is: As great as #82 is...and he is great, is his being the go to guy a reson for concern.
 

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thechosen1n2;2878906 said:
is his being the go to guy a reson for concern.
Not from where I sit.

JMO, but we have more concerns on offense then Witten being the go to guy.
 

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thechosen1n2;2878906 said:
is our most complete, accomplished and proven player on offense (possibly on the team). Yes we have other threats/potential threats, but Witten is our go to guy. He has lead the team in receptions the past 2 years (i dont see that changing this year) and he practices hard, plays harder, and comes to work even when hes hurt.

Now as i look through history (say from 85 onward), there has not been a great team that the go to man was a tight end. I thought about Denver (shannon sharpe) but terrell davis and rod smith were the go to guys. Then I thought about the Ravens, and shannon sharpe was the go to man. But that team went 5 consecutive games without an offensive touchdown, and they still went 3 and 2 in that stretch.

Now i dont think our offense will be nearly as horrid as the ravens was that season, but I dont think our D will be nearly as stout either.

My question is: As great as #82 is...and he is great, is his being the go to guy a reson for concern.


Wonder what this is really about.
 

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I like Witten a lot and think he's very talented, but he tends to disappear when defenses focus on him. It's inconvenient.
 

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big dog cowboy;2878913 said:
Not from where I sit.

JMO, but we have more concerns on offense then Witten being the go to guy.

If im reading you correctly, that could be just my point. This is not a concern about witten per say, this is a concern that many times the tight end is the easiest person to get the ball to...block and release, or just flat out better than the person guarding him (which is the case with witten alot). The thing is Witten may get alot of balls b/c the line isnt giving Romo time so he doesnt have time to go thru reads, or possibly our receivers arent getting open. Now i dont think our receivers are going to be as bad as advertised, but I would trust Witten getting open if i were romo more than any of them.
 

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thechosen1n2;2878906 said:
is our most complete, accomplished and proven player on offense (possibly on the team). Yes we have other threats/potential threats, but Witten is our go to guy. He has lead the team in receptions the past 2 years (i dont see that changing this year) and he practices hard, plays harder, and comes to work even when hes hurt.

Now as i look through history (say from 85 onward), there has not been a great team that the go to man was a tight end. I thought about Denver (shannon sharpe) but terrell davis and rod smith were the go to guys. Then I thought about the Ravens, and shannon sharpe was the go to man. But that team went 5 consecutive games without an offensive touchdown, and they still went 3 and 2 in that stretch.

Now i dont think our offense will be nearly as horrid as the ravens was that season, but I dont think our D will be nearly as stout either.

My question is: As great as #82 is...and he is great, is his being the go to guy a reson for concern.

No because I don't think he will be the only so called go to guy. I do think RW will show people that he is a quality WR I also think the 3 headed monster in our backfield with Barber, Felix and Choice will prove themselves as a top quality backfield and lastly I think the Dallas defense will be one of the top defenses in the NFL
 

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Doomsday101;2878923 said:
No because I don't think he will be the only so called go to guy. I do think RW will show people that he is a quality WR I also think the 3 headed monster in our backfield with Barber, Felix and Choice will prove themselves as a top quality backfield and lastly I think the Dallas defense will be one of the top defenses in the NFL


Do not forget Bennett ...... from all reports he and Romo are really clicking.
 

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zrinkill;2878918 said:
Wonder what this is really about.


I promise you, no hidden agenda....dang a poster cant have a serious football discussion. lol

but seriously check history, I couldnt find a great team where this was the case. Even when everyone was up in arms about Algie Crumpler (because that was the only person vicks no qb'n a** could get the ball to...they failed in the big game. Same with the chargers, there tightend was their best receiver for a few years, and they were unsuccessful in big games as well. This is a legit question.
 

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zrinkill;2878926 said:
Do not forget Bennett ...... from all reports he and Romo are really clicking.

Very true, Witten is an important player for the Cowboys and Romo but we have other talent on this team that Romo can look to besides Witten. I do expect to see a much better defense in terms of creating turnovers maybe it is because I believe strongly in Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick along with the addition of Sensabaugh as well as having the leading sack team in the NFL last season.
 

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Asklesko;2878919 said:
I like Witten a lot and think he's very talented, but he tends to disappear when defenses focus on him. It's inconvenient.


What?
 

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thechosen1n2;2878906 said:
is our most complete, accomplished and proven player on offense (possibly on the team). Yes we have other threats/potential threats, but Witten is our go to guy. He has lead the team in receptions the past 2 years (i dont see that changing this year) and he practices hard, plays harder, and comes to work even when hes hurt.

Now as i look through history (say from 85 onward), there has not been a great team that the go to man was a tight end. I thought about Denver (shannon sharpe) but terrell davis and rod smith were the go to guys. Then I thought about the Ravens, and shannon sharpe was the go to man. But that team went 5 consecutive games without an offensive touchdown, and they still went 3 and 2 in that stretch.

Now i dont think our offense will be nearly as horrid as the ravens was that season, but I dont think our D will be nearly as stout either.

My question is: As great as #82 is...and he is great, is his being the go to guy a reson for concern.

Not really.

Sharpe led all receivers in receptions in 1998.

Over the past decade, it's rare that a Super Bowl champion has had a 'go-to' receiver ranked among league leaders at the position. If anything, dominant wide receivers are overrated.
 

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zrinkill;2878918 said:
Wonder what this is really about.

ScipioCowboy;2878933 said:
It seems like a backhanded compliment, doesn't it?:p:

It wasnt meant to be. I have utmost respect for witten, and I love the dude. Ever since he came back from breaking his jaw so quickly. I have nothing negative to say about witten.

Im on record of saying that out of all the names named in last years commotion,(romo, red head, TO, crayton, Roy Williams, Wade, Witten) Witten is the only one that you cant say anything negative about.
 

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You know Witten has been the go to guy for Romo since he took over the starting job.

There have been plenty of successful offensive teams who's most talent receiver just happened to be their TE.
We're not exactly setting some sort of precident.

I think of the Chargers under Fouts. They had great WR's (Joyner, Chandler, Jefferson), but Winslow was the most talent player they had and usually lead the team in receptions.
 

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thechosen1n2;2878922 said:
If im reading you correctly, that could be just my point. This is not a concern about witten per say, this is a concern that many times the tight end is the easiest person to get the ball to...block and release, or just flat out better than the person guarding him (which is the case with witten alot). The thing is Witten may get alot of balls b/c the line isnt giving Romo time so he doesnt have time to go thru reads, or possibly our receivers arent getting open. Now i dont think our receivers are going to be as bad as advertised, but I would trust Witten getting open if i were romo more than any of them.
I think it's just a case of Witten being that damned good in addition to being Romo's favorite target. Yeah, I suppose it might be because Romo is hurried so he looks to Witten first to unload, but if Witten is open, who cares? That's the other team's problem. Hell, if I'm Romo and the defense can't cover my TE, I'm going to him all day long until they prove they can stop me.
 

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ScipioCowboy;2878954 said:
Not really.

Sharpe led all receivers in receptions in 1998.

Over the past decade, it's rare that a Super Bowl champion has had a 'go-to' receiver ranked among league leaders at the position. If anything, dominant wide receivers are overrated.

Yeah, but that teams was about Terrell Davis, and run blocking and elway scrambling buying time.. That is why i said it is sometimes easier to get the TE the ball when the lines pass protection breaks down. But you are right from a stats standpoint, thats why Denver came to my mind as well.
 

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Asklesko;2878919 said:
I like Witten a lot and think he's very talented, but he tends to disappear when defenses focus on him. It's inconvenient.

I think you have Witten confused with Terrell Owens.
 

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Kilyin;2878979 said:
I think you have Witten confused with Terrell Owens.

You had to mention his name...:bang2:(lol) This thread is about current cowboys, and witten is on record more than once saying that Terrell Owens made his job easier.
 

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ScipioCowboy;2878954 said:
Not really.

Sharpe led all receivers in receptions in 1998.

Over the past decade, it's rare that a Super Bowl champion has had a 'go-to' receiver ranked among league leaders at the position. If anything, dominant wide receivers are overrated.[/quote]

Not so sure they're overrated. Great players at any position help and a great WR has as much impact as most other positions.

If I was starting a team and could precisely allocate my talent. I could choose what position my best best player could play. Then 2nd best, 3rd best and so on.

I'd prefer my best three players play QB, RB and Weakside pass rusher. If I could only have 3 true all-pro type guys, I'd want them at those spots for maximum impact.

After that it really gets tough to decide where your 4th best player should play. In my mind, all the other positions have a fairly equal weighting in the teams success.

I'd probably go LOT, NT and OC as my next 3 most impactful positions, but after that, it's really splitting hairs.
 
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