+/-...Jason Witten

[AbeBeta]

I like Witten a lot and think he's very talented, but he tends to disappear when defenses focus on him. It's inconvenient.

Who exactly shut him down last year?

And when a D focuses on him it is a HUGE advantage for the WRs and RBs because it means that they are getting favorable matchups as some of the opponent's best cover guys are committing to Witten.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Not really.

Sharpe led all receivers in receptions in 1998.

Over the past decade, it's rare that a Super Bowl champion has had a 'go-to' receiver ranked among league leaders at the position. If anything, dominant wide receivers are overrated.[/quote]

Not so sure they're overrated. Great players at any position help and a great WR has as much impact as most other positions.

If I was starting a team and could precisely allocate my talent. I could choose what position my best best player could play. Then 2nd best, 3rd best and so on.

I'd prefer my best three players play QB, RB and Weakside pass rusher. If I could only have 3 true all-pro type guys, I'd want them at those spots for maximum impact.

After that it really gets tough to decide where your 4th best player should play. In my mind, all the other positions have a fairly equal weighting in the teams success.

I'd probably go LOT, NT and OC as my next 3 most impactful positions, but after that, it's really splitting hairs.

good post..not that I agree with everything, but good post. For example, NT could be more important than a pass rusher if you are playing a running team, or even a passing team if he stays collapsing the pocket. It is not as as glorifying as the pass rusher, but just as important.

 

[zrinkill]

I was joking bruh, because someone insinuated that owens was what this thread was really about. Relax.

Who insinuated that?

I did not mention Owens ..... but I think you just showed it.

 

[Hostile]

is our most complete, accomplished and proven player on offense (possibly on the team). Yes we have other threats/potential threats, but Witten is our go to guy. He has lead the team in receptions the past 2 years (i dont see that changing this year) and he practices hard, plays harder, and comes to work even when hes hurt.

Now as i look through history (say from 85 onward), there has not been a great team that the go to man was a tight end. I thought about Denver (shannon sharpe) but terrell davis and rod smith were the go to guys. Then I thought about the Ravens, and shannon sharpe was the go to man. But that team went 5 consecutive games without an offensive touchdown, and they still went 3 and 2 in that stretch.

Now i dont think our offense will be nearly as horrid as the ravens was that season, but I dont think our D will be nearly as stout either.

My question is: As great as #82 is...and he is great, is his being the go to guy a reson for concern.

Why would it be? Was it a concern in KC for Gonzalez? Or San Diego for Gates?

 

[visionary]

Not really.

Sharpe led all receivers in receptions in 1998.

Over the past decade, it's rare that a Super Bowl champion has had a 'go-to' receiver ranked among league leaders at the position. If anything, dominant wide receivers are overrated.

i see what you did there
bait the baiter
well played my friend, well played indeed

 

[Hostile]

Remind me not to Asklesko anything.

Yeah, he's pretty much clueless. Maybe he can tell you about how the billboard is coming along though.

 

[tomson75]

Yeah, he's pretty much clueless. Maybe he can tell you about how the billboard is coming along though.

HA!

:laugh2:

Can't wait!

 

[thechosen1n2]

Why would it be? Was it a concern in KC for Gonzalez? Or San Diego for Gates?

because none of those teams were great. I love Dallas, and i want Greatness. If we can win with him in that role, I will be ecstatic. I was just more or less discussing the likelihood.

 

[Hostile]

because none of those teams were great. I love Dallas, and i want Greatness. If we can win with him in that role, I will be ecstatic. I was just more or less discussing the likelihood.

I think KC and San Diego have both had some great teams with those guys as the primary receiving weapon.

Besides, I have complete faith in our other weapons.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Who insinuated that?

I did not mention Owens ..... but I think you just showed it.

c'mon. Does it really take rocket science to figure what you were wondering. We were just in another thread discussing TO. Like I said this has nothing to do with TO, and as far as we we know, we are not in the Denver situation as far as having a back like terrell davis and a wideout like rod smith to compliment our shannon sharp. Romo has the tools the potential to be elway, and our backs combined can potentially be Terrell Davis, but jimmy johnson said it best...."Potential only means you aint done nothin yet!"

 

[thechosen1n2]

I think KC and San Diego have both had some great teams with those guys as the primary receiving weapon.

Besides, I have complete faith in our other weapons.

I think they have had good teams as well, but Im a :starspinfan, im talking Super Bowls Hostile,Im not talking great by other teams standards. Im talking about can we perform in the playoffs when the goal /gameplan is to shut-down witten. Even though those teams were good, the chiefs struggled in the playoffs when teams keyed on tony gonzales. The chargers struggled when gates was keyed on and LT (mr inopportune injury) was not in regular season form.

I do have faith in Felix, and Martellus, but its blind faith.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Not from where I sit.

JMO, but we have more concerns on offense then Witten being the go to guy.

Considering the times we lost games when we went to Witten in the clutch. Seattle and Pittsburgh come to mind then lions game we almost lost because he fumbled on the goaline. I feel uneasy going to him in pressure situations

 

[Hostile]

I think they have had good teams as well, but Im a :starspinfan, im talking Super Bowls Hostile,Im not talking great by other teams standards. Im talking about can we perform in the playoffs when the goal /gameplan is to shut-down witten. Even though those teams were good, the chiefs struggled in the playoffs when teams keyed on tony gonzales. The chargers struggled when gates was keyed on and LT (mr inopportune injury) was not in regular season form.

I do have faith in Felix, and Martellus, but its blind faith.

Well, we certainly wouldn't have won a Super Bowl by keeping Owens and having him demanding that he be the focus.

 

[Hostile]

Considering the times we lost games when we went to Witten in the clutch. Seattle and Pittsburgh come to mind then lions game we almost lost because he fumbled on the goaline. I feel uneasy going to him in pressure situations

It's probably just gas.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Considering the times we lost games when we went to Witten in the clutch. Seattle and Pittsburgh come to mind then lions game we almost lost because he fumbled on the goaline. I feel uneasy going to him in pressure situations

seriously...i was hoping we went to him or dare I say "you know who" on the last play of the dang giants game instead of (this is my first play all season)Terry Glenn. The real culprit for losing the seattle game.

 

[thechosen1n2]

It's probably just gas.

 

[DallasEast]

because none of those teams were great. I love Dallas, and i want Greatness. If we can win with him in that role, I will be ecstatic. I was just more or less discussing the likelihood.

Speaking of great teams:

2001 New England Patriots

Go to tight end: Jermaine Wiggins, 133 yards
Go to receivers: Troy Brown, 1,199 yards, David Patten, 749 yards
Defense ranked? 24th

I'm leaving something out.

Oh yeah.



"We only have Jason Witten, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton!" http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/panic.gif



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[DallasEast]

Considering the times we lost games when we went to Witten in the clutch. Seattle and Pittsburgh come to mind then lions game we almost lost because he fumbled on the goaline. I feel uneasy going to him in pressure situations

You would feel uneasy going to an legitimate, multiple year, all-pro tight end in pressure situations based on several weak past examples?

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/lion_facepalm.jpg

 

[Mansta54]

Considering the times we lost games when we went to Witten in the clutch. Seattle and Pittsburgh come to mind then lions game we almost lost because he fumbled on the goaline. I feel uneasy going to him in pressure situations

Man I'd go to Witten any day of the week. You've gotta be kiddin....

 

[thechosen1n2]

Well, we certainly wouldn't have won a Super Bowl by keeping Owens and having him demanding that he be the focus.

There you go....I think TO and Witten coexisted fine. I also think they were an unstoppable combination. Keep in mind, Witten caught more balls than Owens in the 13 and 3 season, and there was never a problem. TO according to my conversations with the playmaker had no issue with witten what so ever. NONE. TO had a problem with the coordinator not playing them off of each other correctly...not making adjustments. TO had utmost respect for Witten and his effort and work ethic. This I know....Think about it, since TO left, Witten is the only person that TO hasnt mentioned. Jerry, Stephen, Romo, and Garrett have all been mentioned...and Witten is the one he was supposedly fighting in the locker room. NOT true by the way.