+/-...Jason Witten

[kmd24]

This thread reminds me of all the hooha about the league's rushing leader never winning the Superbowl. Then Emmitt Smith did it in 1992, 1993, and 1995.

Having a great player is rarely a liability.

 

[Hostile]

This thread reminds me of all the hooha about the league's rushing leader never winning the Superbowl. Then Emmitt Smith did it in 1992, 1993, and 1995.

Having a great player is rarely a liability.

Good analysis.

 

[DallasEast]

There you go....I think TO and Witten coexisted fine. I also think they were an unstoppable combination. Keep in mind, Witten caught more balls than Owens in the 13 and 3 season, and there was never a problem. TO according to my conversations with the playmaker had no issue with witten what so ever. NONE. TO had a problem with the coordinator not playing them off of each other correctly...not making adjustments. TO had utmost respect for Witten and his effort and work ethic. This I know....Think about it, since TO left, Witten is the only person that TO hasnt mentioned. Jerry, Stephen, Romo, and Garrett have all been mentioned...and Witten is the one he was supposedly fighting in the locker room. NOT true by the way.

So, Owens never commented or insinuated that Romo and Witten were privately having conversations about the wide receivers and/or Owens?

 

[thechosen1n2]

Speaking of great teams:

2001 New England Patriots

Go to tight end: Jermaine Wiggins, 133 yards
Go to receivers: Troy Brown, 1,199 yards, David Patten, 749 yards
Defense ranked? 24th

I'm leaving something out.

Oh yeah.



"We only have Jason Witten, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton!" http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/panic.gif



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No panic bro, just a conversation...I think i asked "should this be a concern, or is this a concern?" Its a slight concern of mine do to history, but I think we are okay if Martellus, Felix, and Roy do what they are capable of.

You lost me with the pats thing. This was a thread about TE being the go to guy, that wasnt the case for them.

 

[Hostile]

There you go....I think TO and Witten coexisted fine. I also think they were an unstoppable combination. Keep in mind, Witten caught more balls than Owens in the 13 and 3 season, and there was never a problem. TO according to my conversations with the playmaker had no issue with witten what so ever. NONE. TO had a problem with the coordinator not playing them off of each other correctly...not making adjustments. TO had utmost respect for Witten and his effort and work ethic. This I know....Think about it, since TO left, Witten is the only person that TO hasnt mentioned. Jerry, Stephen, Romo, and Garrett have all been mentioned...and Witten is the one he was supposedly fighting in the locker room. NOT true by the way.

I know it wasn't true about them fighting. I said so at the time. Here's the bottom line, To is wrong to talk about this team at all. He's not a Cowboy any more. He should do what he always should have done and shut his festering gob. He can't. He's an incredibly self centered idiot. I have no patience and certianly no sympathy for idiots.

I don't want a great player if it means I can never have a great team. Hence why I have never liked and will never like Barry Sanders.

TO is a great talent and I have never denied that. Not even when he was a 49er or an Eagle. He is his own worst enemy though and he can't see it.

Roy Williams will be a Pro Bowl WR in 2009, Owens won't be. This Offense will be fine.

 

[thechosen1n2]

So, Owens never commented or insinuated that Romo and Witten were privately having conversations about the wide receivers and/or Owens?

TO denied it to the hilt, and we all know that if he thought it he would say it. and Witten said that he never heard that until it was reported by whom...Werder who TO didnt talk to. Seriously, TO had more issues with the game plan and red head.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I know it wasn't true about them fighting. I said so at the time. Here's the bottom line, To is wrong to talk about this team at all. He's not a Cowboy any more. He should do what he always should have done and shut his festering gob. He can't. He's an incredibly self centered idiot. I have no patience and certianly no sympathy for idiots.

I don't want a great player if it means I can never have a great team. Hence why I have never liked and will never like Barry Sanders.

TO is a great talent and I have never denied that. Not even when he was a 49er or an Eagle. He is his own worst enemy though and he can't see it.

Roy Williams will be a Pro Bowl WR in 2009, Owens won't be. This Offense will be fine.

I hope you are right about Williams, and as far as TO is concerned, you brought him back up.

 

[DallasEast]

No panic bro, just a conversation...I think i asked "should this be a concern, or is this a concern?" Its a slight concern of mine do to history, but I think we are okay if Martellus, Felix, and Roy do what they are capable of.

You lost me with the pats thing. This was a thread about TE being the go to guy, that wasnt the case for them.

An all-pro tight end as the go to guy in certain passing situations isn't a concern. The panic gif is valid for that reason.

The 2009 Cowboys' offensive unit will be okay if everyone does their jobs, not just certain players.

Our receivers, including Witten, are superior to the '01 Patriots. If Witten is the "go to tight end' for this season's offense, he will nearly equal the productivity of not only the '01 Patriots go to tight end, but also one of their go to receivers. Ergo, Williams and Crayton will be more than equal to their remaining receiver. Additionally, the '09 Cowboys' defense projects to be far superior to that of the Super Bowl winning New England edition.

It's never about one player. It's about team. This thread is about one player, so...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

the NFL is about moving the chains, Witten does that better than most receivers

we just need a WR to keep Ds honest downfield, hopefully Miles Austin turns out to be that guy

and having a receiver who your QB trusts more than anything, like Romo trusts Witten, is never a bad thing

 

[thechosen1n2]

I don't want a great player if it means I can never have a great team. Hence why I have never liked and will never like Barry Sanders.

We are in full agreement. Therefore I am fine if this team is better, Im just not sure we will be yet, but I hope we are. If we are not, I wont be on some "see I told you so stuff" if it has nothing to do with receiver play. I will even clown TO fans that blame it on the release of TO and the whole oline is hurt, or the defense under performs, but if teams key on witten, and Williams and crayton dont take advantage, then Im going to be really irritated, and you will be too.

 

[DallasEast]

TO denied it to the hilt, and we all know that if he thought it he would say it. and Witten said that he never heard that until it was reported by whom...Werder who TO didnt talk to. Seriously, TO had more issues with the game plan and red head.

Well, I can't argue about him having 'issues'. His 'issues' motivated him into accepting a totally unnecessary nationally broadcast one-on-one interview about his 'issues'. Nope, can't argue about that at all.

 

[DallasEast]

the NFL is about moving the chains, Witten does that better than most receivers

we just need a WR to keep Ds honest downfield, hopefully Miles Austin turns out to be that guy

and having a receiver who your QB trusts more than anything, like Romo trusts Witten, is never a bad thing

Preach it.

 

[thechosen1n2]

An all-pro tight end as the go to guy in certain passing situations isn't a concern. The panic gif is valid for that reason.

The 2009 Cowboys' offensive unit will be okay if everyone does their jobs, not just certain players.

Our receivers, including Witten, are superior to the '01 Patriots. If Witten is the "go to tight end' for this season's offense, he will nearly equal the productivity of not only the '01 Patriots go to tight end, but also one of their go to receivers. Ergo, Williams and Crayton will be more than equal to their remaining receiver. Additionally, the '09 Cowboys' defense projects to be far superior to that of the Super Bowl winning New England edition.

It's never about one player. It's about team. This thread is about one player, so...

I got you...understandable.

 

[DallasEast]

We are in full agreement. Therefore I am fine if this team is better, Im just not sure we will be yet, but I hope we are. If we are not I wont be on some see I told you so stuff, if it has nothing to do with receiver play. Now if teams key on witten, and Williams and crayton don take advantage, then Im going to be really irritated, and you will be too.

Concern about a player's ineffectiveness due to injury, especially in Williams' case is completely understandable. Players cannot contribute squat if they're sitting on the bench. However, this unending paranoia about Williams' and Crayton's 'ineffectiveness' as NFL wide receivers (to be polite) is laughable.

The Cowboys waived an elite wide receiver last March. The team did not excise its chances of having a highly capable group of receivers. It's like people see an offensive skilled position player outside of the quarterback subtracted and its deemed automatic struggle for sixteen games. Nonsense.

It's still football people, not :madden:

 

[thechosen1n2]

the NFL is about moving the chains, Witten does that better than most receivers

we just need a WR to keep Ds honest downfield, hopefully Miles Austin turns out to be that guy

and having a receiver who your QB trusts more than anything, like Romo trusts Witten, is never a bad thing

Good post...i think some of you misunderstand what I mean (maybe i said it wrong), My concern is not the witten, or romo witten connection, its that usually when the tight end is the leading receiver, the receivers arent doing there job. Mainly making big plays to keep the defense honest.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

What you're asking is not if we should be concerned if Witten is the guy Romo trusts the most. What you're asking is if we all think that our wideouts are going to disappear every game, thus making Witten the only option for plays in the passing game.

In my opinion, addition by subtraction applies perfectly to this team. Soooo many times last year Romo forced the ball to TO instead of taking an easy completion. That isn't going to happen this year. I think Witten may end up having the most receptions on our team, but if he does I think it will be because we have about 6 guys with 40+ catches, and we're spreading it around and just going to the open man, which would be a lot better for us than Roy Williams catching 100 balls and everybody else doing nothing.

 

[DallasEast]

What you're asking is not if we should be concerned if Witten is the guy Romo trusts the most. What you're asking is if we all think that our wideouts are going to disappear every game, thus making Witten the only option for plays in the passing game.

In my opinion, addition by subtraction applies perfectly to this team. Soooo many times last year Romo forced the ball to TO instead of taking an easy completion. That isn't going to happen this year. I think Witten may end up having the most receptions on our team, but if he does I think it will be because we have about 6 guys with 40+ catches, and we're spreading it around and just going to the open man, which would be a lot better for us than Roy Williams catching 100 balls and everybody else doing nothing.

:clap2:

 

[the kid 05]

"no witten isn't the go to guy we should have kept owens or at least traded for a better wideout then roy williams"

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Speaking of great teams:

2001 New England Patriots

Go to tight end: Jermaine Wiggins, 133 yards
Go to receivers: Troy Brown, 1,199 yards, David Patten, 749 yards
Defense ranked? 24th

I'm leaving something out.

Oh yeah.



"We only have Jason Witten, Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton!" http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/panic.gif



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I think it's already been established that the Pats have a better coach then us so the attempt to draw comparisons fail. But whatever gives you hope for the season i guess.

 

[DallasEast]

I think it's already been established that the Pats have a better coach then us so the attempt to draw comparisons fail. But whatever gives you hope for the season i guess.

That comment alone explains everything necessary about your personal comprehension of the Patriots' 2001 championship season. In other words, nil.