Jaylon Smith and Sean Spence/Robert Edwards

[waldoputty]

Until he proves me wrong, this is just another wasted 2nd round pick to me.

Of course, all the homers are suddenly nerve experts and know for a fact he will return to the player he once was.

Actually some of us have gone to nerve regeneration experts to get their opinion.
It was 50-50 with minimal info to get the old Jaylon back.
It is looking better than that now, knock on wood.

So would people make a 50-50 gamble.
50% - get a top 5 player with a high 2nd round pick.
50% - bust a top 2nd round pick or a lesser player

The stats for consistent starters picked in 1st and 2nd rounds - this is for starters NOT stars:
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

Based on these stats, top 5 pick player > 2 high 2nd round picks
Top 5 pick player probably > 3 high 2nd round picks
Cowboys FO made a very rational decision, particularly as their doctor did the surgery

 

[Maxmadden]

Until he proves me wrong, this is just another wasted 2nd round pick to me.

Of course, all the homers are suddenly nerve experts and know for a fact he will return to the player he once was.

Until you prove me wrong, this is just another wasted post to me.

 

[Plankton]

For ROUGH comparison:

Cowboys - 1st round 'equivalents':
2010 - Dez
2011 - TSmith
2012 - Mo
2013 - TFred
2014 - Martin
2015 - Jones, Collins, Gregory (likely bust)
2016 - Zeke, Jaylon (knock on wood), Dak

Steelers Hall of Famers - 1974 epic draft put them over the top:
1969 - Joe Greene, LC Greenwood (pro bowler only)
1970 - Terry Bradshaw, Mel Blount
1971 - Jack Ham
1972 - Franco Harris
1973 - JT Thomas (pro bowler only)
1974 - Mike Webster, Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Jack Lambert

To be fair, for the Steelers, you left out:

1969 - Jon Kolb - was their starting LT for a decade.
1971 - Gerry Mullins - starting guard until 1979
1971 - Dwight White - starting DE for nearly a decade
1971 - Ernie Holmes - starting DT until 1977
1971 - Mike Wagner - starting safety for a decade

The Steelers in the early to mid 1970's drafted as well as any team ever drafted in terms of finding elite players and solid contributors. Dick Hoak, Dick Haley and Chuck Noll built that dynasty from the ground up. Let's hope that this draft can measure up. It does have a lot of potential.

 

[waldoputty]

To be fair, for the Steelers, you left out:

1969 - Jon Kolb - was their starting LT for a decade.
1971 - Gerry Mullins - starting guard until 1979
1971 - Dwight White - starting DE for nearly a decade
1971 - Ernie Holmes - starting DT until 1977
1971 - Mike Wagner - starting safety for a decade

The Steelers in the early to mid 1970's drafted as well as any team ever drafted in terms of finding elite players and solid contributors. Dick Hoak, Dick Haley and Chuck Noll built that dynasty from the ground up. Let's hope that this draft can measure up. It does have a lot of potential.

I dont remember how good Kolb, Mullins, White, Holmes and Wagner were at all...
Did not put in Lee, Lawrence, Free etc.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Until he proves me wrong, this is just another wasted 2nd round pick to me.

Isn't every draft pick that way?

 

[waldoputty]

without knowing the exact specifics
u need nerve firing to get a muscle to flex
so if the muscle we are talking about is fired by the nerve we were waiting for then yes there has been an improvement
that muscle would then need to strengthened which it will now that it is conttracting on command.
the muscle would fatigue quickly early on which is why it still takes some time but this would be the next big step we are waiting on.

Jaylon has been really cagey about giving a direct answer.
Not sure exactly why.
I can see FO does not want distractions.
Hard to believe Jerry can control himself if there are signs of progress.
Though he may not understand the situation so Jaylon is basically still 'trying to shake the foot back to normal'...

 

[manster4ever]

Nerve damage is no joke. After chemo my nerves in my toes were damaged. Feels like I have frostbite nearly ever day , and some days are worse than others.

Sorry to hear that. Hope and pray you regain feeling and can be happy and healthy. God bless.

 

[waldoputty]

He hasn't given a straight answer. That is just my reading of the tea leaves from his innuendo and reaction to questions.

One thing I am certain of is that if he isn't wearing the brace then he can flex the muscle.

@FuzzyLumpkins

I seem to remember something about the wearing the brace prohibits practicing cutting.
Do you remember that?
If so, he is now doing everything including cutting...

One website says:
Even with the AFO, you still are limited in motion side to side. You cannot turn your foot outward with this injury and an AFO will not fix that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

@FuzzyLumpkins

I seem to remember something about the wearing the brace prohibits practicing cutting.
Do you remember that?
If so, he is now doing everything including cutting...

One website says:
Even with the AFO, you still are limited in motion side to side. You cannot turn your foot outward with this injury and an AFO will not fix that.

Not at all. What I recall is that was possible he could play football even with the brace. That implies cutting on it. You don't have to turn your foot out like that to push off laterally for a cut. It does help though.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jaylon has been really cagey about giving a direct answer.
Not sure exactly why.
I can see FO does not want distractions.
Hard to believe Jerry can control himself if there are signs of progress.
Though he may not understand the situation so Jaylon is basically still 'trying to shake the foot back to normal'...

When people press he always defers to the trainers. My impression is that he has been instructed to be like that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Until he proves me wrong, this is just another wasted 2nd round pick to me.

Of course, all the homers are suddenly nerve experts and know for a fact he will return to the player he once was.

No one is claiming to be an expert and the discussion on nerve injuries is 100% factual.

The above just reads like a copout to me. IF you don't want to believe that he could be back then don't but there is no need to bash us for talking about the facts regarding the injury for you to do so.

 

[waldoputty]

Some normal person's recovery story:
After about 6 months or so was my first signs that I was regaining my motion. I could just barely move my big toe (maybe about a cm) but still had no feeling. As time progressed more and more motion came back, working from my big toe on downward. Again, this was gradual and took many months. Not only that but even though the motion was starting to come back the feeling was not. This came back probably around the 12 month mark and although it took a little longer than the motion, came back much quicker in terms of no feeling to feeling. All in all, the point of this is is that I fully recovered from this and that it is possible. I no longer where an AFO and can do all the normal things I once did (no motor scooter anymore and more care for my knee when doing activities) but this was a slow gradual process with many downs and some depression here or there thinking I'd be confined to an AFO forever, wouldn't run etc..

Note that Jaylon said his sensory stuff was 'moving further down' all the time. So Jaylon may have a less severe case. This person tore ACL/PCL/LCL and biceps femoris (thigh muscle) as well as fracturing tibia due to a motor scooter accident.

 

[waldoputty]

Not at all. What I recall is that was possible he could play football even with the brace. That implies cutting on it. You don't have to turn your foot out like that to push off laterally for a cut. It does help though.

You are right - 1 safety played with an AFO but was not the same player. No LB played with an AFO though.

 

[waving monkey]

And this looks to be the makings of a stellar draft class

the mind does tend toward that thinking. Collins and Brown those two additional starters

 

[waving monkey]

I dont think we can retainer Mo and Romo and sign top DE FA.

For 2017, committed is $174,439,938 with project cap of $168,185,113 ($6,254,825)
Mo may demand $10-15mil per year.
DE FA will cost $15mil per year also.
If we June 1 TCrawford, it would only save $5 mil.

I believe both Church and Wilcox are FA also
And we are going to want to sign Martin long term

JJones isn't going big in FA

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

Not at all. What I recall is that was possible he could play football even with the brace. That implies cutting on it. You don't have to turn your foot out like that to push off laterally for a cut. It does help though.

But playing with the brace and the drop foot would be a last resort, something I'd honestly see at the soonest in year two or three. Right about now they're probably content with him sitting out the whole year while the nerve corrects...I just don't see them giving up on his recovery and relying a brace for him to play at this stage. That's last ditch choice

 

[waving monkey]

No one is claiming to be an expert and the discussion on nerve injuries is 100% factual.

The above just reads like a copout to me. IF you don't want to believe that he could be back then don't but there is no need to bash us for talking about the facts regarding the injury for you to do so.

the cynics motto; put a turd in every punch bowl

 

[waldoputty]

But playing with the brace and the drop foot would be a last resort, something I'd honestly see at the soonest in year two or three. Right about now they're probably content with him sitting out the whole year while the nerve corrects...I just don't see them giving up on his recovery and relying a brace for him to play at this stage. That's last ditch choice

I was not suggesting playing with a brace.
I was thinking if cutting with a brace was not possible AND he was cutting, then he could not be wearing a brace
but this is incorrect and does not prove he was practicing without the brace.

 

[waldoputty]

JJones isn't going big in FA

they did spend $ on hardy, so they would spend $ for what they think is that last piece,,,

 

[waldoputty]

the mind does tend toward that thinking. Collins and Brown those two additional starters

Got to keep Will McClay