Jaylon Smith on Mike & Mike ESPN radio recently

[CyberB0b]

I have to concur. I've been here throughout the J. Smith discussion and read damn near everyone of those threads. I don't recall a single comment along those lines. Not a one. On its face the statement itself is simply fantastical. I don't even think its humanly possible to come back in 6 months from an MCL and ACL injury. Anyone who made such a statement would lose all credibility as soon as they pressed 'Enter'.

People did opine, especially after JJ said that they wouldn't put him on IR and hoped to have him back for the playoffs, that perhaps, perhaps he could see action late in the year. But Nov and Dec is a far cry from "ready in July".

Read the post just below yours. There is a direct quote from someone who was very vocal in all of those discussions.

 

[calvin]

Read the post just below yours. There is a direct quote from someone who was very vocal in all of those discussions.

Gotta own that. You called your shot and were spot on. Honestly I didn't see that post when it was originally posted. I thought that you were making a wild generalization but you were absolutely right.

All that said, I maintain my opinion that a 6 month recovery time from an ACL & MCL injuries is grossly unrealistic. Fuzzy was generally pretty goo din those discussions so I don't know what prompted him to go that overboard.

Me, my view is it generally takes a calendar year for guys to come back from that injury. So I'm going to sit out the mental masturbation about his injury and his recovery time, and see where JS stands next Jan.

 

[speedkilz88]

Gotta own that. You called your shot and were spot on. Honestly I didn't see that post when it was originally posted. I thought that you were making a wild generalization but you were absolutely right.

All that said, I maintain my opinion that a 6 month recovery time from an ACL & MCL injuries is grossly unrealistic. Fuzzy was generally pretty goo din those discussions so I don't know what prompted him to go that overboard.

Me, my view is it generally takes a calendar year for guys to come back from that injury. So I'm going to sit out the mental masturbation about his injury and his recovery time, and see where JS stands next Jan.

Fuzzy was talking about the nerve being healed around 6 months not the knee. All we can go on the knee is that everything appears to be ahead of schedule. The doctor said that the nerve grows around an inch a month and the damaged nerve is 6 inches. (Stephen Jones has gone on to say it can be as much as an 1.5 a month)

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Some of the armchair "doctors" on here said he would be ready in July. Doesn't sound very optimistic. He can't lift his foot.

I have never ever claimed to be a doctor. Quite the contrary. I will say that I am more informed on the issue than you though.

That is the best case scenario and not what I said would happen. Do you have anything other than the 'we cannot know' argument to dispute it?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Gotta own that. You called your shot and were spot on. Honestly I didn't see that post when it was originally posted. I thought that you were making a wild generalization but you were absolutely right.

All that said, I maintain my opinion that a 6 month recovery time from an ACL & MCL injuries is grossly unrealistic. Fuzzy was generally pretty goo din those discussions so I don't know what prompted him to go that overboard.

Me, my view is it generally takes a calendar year for guys to come back from that injury. So I'm going to sit out the mental masturbation about his injury and his recovery time, and see where JS stands next Jan.

You guys going to actually discuss medical facts or you going to just assume yourselves and talk around the issue? It's 6 inches of nerve that needs to regrow and I laid out several facts that backed up what I said.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy was talking about the nerve being healed around 6 months not the knee. All we can go on the knee is that everything appears to be ahead of schedule. The doctor said that the nerve grows around an inch a month and the damaged nerve is 6 inches. (Stephen Jones has gone on to say it can be as much as an 1.5 a month)

He's already returned to athletic activity regarding the knee. We've seen him run and jump and cut.

It's just a matter of strength and range of motion and we have no way of knowing where he is at.

 

[DandyDon52]

Drafting him at 34 was probably a mistake.
Putting him on IR in hopes he can play in playoffs is mistake # 2
Actually replacing a LB who played all year and helped you get to playoffs,
with a rookie who had never played in NFL and is coming off 2 injuries like this is....... mistake # 3 !!

Smart would have been to try and get him in rd 3 or 4, then dont even think about playing him in 2016.

 

[speedkilz88]

He's already returned to athletic activity regarding the knee. We've seen him run and jump and cut.

It's just a matter of strength and range of motion and we have no way of knowing where he is at.

Nzeocha was running 40s before the draft and they still put him on the nfi list. I wish they would give a more thorough report on where his knee is at as far as rehab.

 

[speedkilz88]

Drafting him at 34 was probably a mistake.
Putting him on IR in hopes he can play in playoffs is mistake # 2
Actually replacing a LB who played all year and helped you get to playoffs,
with a rookie who had never played in NFL and is coming off 2 injuries like this is....... mistake # 3 !!

Smart would have been to try and get him in rd 3 or 4, then dont even think about playing him in 2016.

Dude, all injured guys out of the draft are eligible for the NFI list. Same as Nzeocha last year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nzeocha was running 40s before the draft and they still put him on the nfi list. I wish they would give a more thorough report on where his knee is at as far as rehab.

Yeah it's the lateral movements that are key. He has to be able to plant and push off. I expect the team will be extra cagey moving forward. We'll know when he's actually ready and not likely much sooner than that.

 

[waldoputty]

You guys going to actually discuss medical facts or you going to just assume yourselves and talk around the issue? It's 6 inches of nerve that needs to regrow and I laid out several facts that backed up what I said.

Hey Fuzzy, have you seen any update on Jaylon's nerve?
I have not seen any info on the tingling etc.
I guess we need to hold on for at least 2 months to make it 6 months.

 

[jobberone]

Once these injuries were often career ending. Now some do heal well enough to play in six months but that is at one extreme end of the bell curve. He has a shot at playing this year but my SWAG is it is on the low side.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Someone saying "he will be ready to go in July" and someone saying "bases on his recovery timetable July is essentially the earliest you could expect him" are widely different things.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey Fuzzy, have you seen any update on Jaylon's nerve?
I have not seen any info on the tingling etc.
I guess we need to hold on for at least 2 months to make it 6 months.

Garrett's policy since taking over as coach as has been to be as cagey as possible. Wait and see is about the best we can expect.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Lee went to PSU.

ND doesn't have frats.

Other than that...................

the entire school is a frat that is why

 

[dallasdave]

Recap please.

 

[DandyDon52]

Dude, all injured guys out of the draft are eligible for the NFI list. Same as Nzeocha last year.

Well what I had read said IR.
but he will be on NFI
"When the Cowboys have to trim the roster to 53 players the week before the season, they could keep Smith on NFI, which would force him to miss at least the first six games and give him another six weeks to potentially practice and return to the field."
I still think it is not smart to play him in playoffs this year.
if he plays mid season that is better, but again, it is risky for the player.
Better to let him have plenty of time to heal up and be ready for 2017

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey Fuzzy, have you seen any update on Jaylon's nerve?
I have not seen any info on the tingling etc.
I guess we need to hold on for at least 2 months to make it 6 months.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111003131423.htm

Also this article does a good job showing what the issue is. The nerve regrows but the synapses have issues forming on the muscle.

I would feel alot better if I knew that they were continuing to stimulate the muscle artificially to prevent atrophy. There is also some talk of protein interference and the like. It doesn't seem to be a well understood process as of 10 years ago. There has been a lot of study in the last ten years alone though. I don't know what cutting edge is nowadays.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111003131423.htm

Also this article does a good job showing what the issue is. The nerve regrows but the synapses have issues forming on the muscle.

I would feel alot better if I knew that they were continuing to stimulate the muscle artificially to prevent atrophy. There is also some talk of protein interference and the like. It doesn't seem to be a well understood process as of 10 years ago. There has been a lot of study in the last ten years alone though. I don't know what cutting edge is nowadays.

I would find it hard to fathom that they wouldn't be stimulating the muscle and doing everything else that they can.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would find it hard to fathom that they wouldn't be stimulating the muscle and doing everything else that they can.

no doubt but it would still be nice to hear.