Jerametrius Butler Released by Rams... signed by Skins

[Vintage]

Looks like this signing is a direct result of us playing the Patriots this season. I was a little worried before... but now that I know we have Jeremiahetrius Butler... well lets just say that Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, and Tom Brady are going to have a long day.

Best. Post. Ever.

 

[kTXe]

A.k.a., the gimp, the simp and the shrimp.

 

[AsthmaField]

Best. Post. Ever.

:laugh2:

Yep, they're set now.

Art's over there telling everyone why this is such a great move. What's the over/under on how many posters he bans?

 

[Yeagermeister]

The 3-8 looks like what Joe Lee Dunn was trying to run at Memphis last year :laugh2:

 

[theebs]

Its like they traded mike rumph who is awful for butler who is average.

butler may be a good fit if he is only playing in nickel and dime situations, that is to say that springs is healthy or even on the team.

 

[silverbear]

Let the Commanders have them; they are 5.5 million dollars under the cap and they haven't signed any draft players... This is the best they can afford to do.. Even if he plays well, it won't matter; THEY HAVE A TERRIBLE DEFENSIVE LINE with no depth! You can't cover forever!

As I said earlier, I read elsewhere (I think it was in the Washington Post) that the Skins were very interested in re-signing Chris Cooley before he becomes a free agent next offseason... but as you noted, they had 5.5 million under the cap, and that was before signing any of their draft picks... of course, they don't HAVE many draft picks to sign, but Laron Landry by himself is gonna eat up a chunk of that 5.5 mil... so even if Butler signed for league minimum (and you have to think they dangled somewhat more than that in front of him to get him to sign so quickly), they have just eaten up a lot of the money they'd need to sweeten the pot sufficiently to get Cooley's name on a new deal...

Verrrrry interesting... won't it be fun if Butler turns out to be done, and the Skins wind up screwing up and waving bye-bye to Cooley next offseason??

 

[Vintage]

Butler ate up 550,000 or something like that.

That puts them down to 5 million.

So yeah, that 500K is probably not going to be a difference maker in the Cooley extension.....

 

[silverbear]

Butler was signed to compete for the 4th corner spot.

The top 3 corners are set in Washington: Springs, Rogers, Smoot.

Springs is 32, and has missed 22 games over the last 6 seasons... he's had 2 ints and 15 passes defensed in his last 24 games (covering 2 seasons)...

Smoot has missed 5 games the last 2 years himself, and has been in and out of the starting lineup for a really bad Minnesota pass defense that finished 22nd 2 years ago, dead last last year... he has recorded 3 ints and all of 11 passes defensed in his last 25 games...

Rogers, well, let's just say that this kid was bit BAD by the "sophomore jinx" last year... his 79 tackles is more a testimony to how often he gave up completions and made the tackle than it was to his abilities defending the run...

If those are your top 3 corners (and they are), no wonder the Skins were so quick to jump on Butler-- even if he does have MAJOR injury issues (missed all of 05, played 2 games in 06)... even when he was considered "good", his numbers weren't all that-- he had 4 ints in 03, but only 5 passes defensed... he followed that up with 5 ints the following season, but he did have 14 passes defensed, which isn't bad... OTOH, the Rams as a team only had 6 ints, which strongly suggests that Butler got those picks because he was the one they were throwing on most often... this is borne out by the number of tackles he had those 2 seasons, 71 in 03 and 79 in 04... those are some awfully high tackle totals for a cornerback... of those 150 tackles, only 13 were assisted, suggesting he wasn't racking up tackles supporting the run (which is hardly surprising, given that he's 5-10, 185 pounds)... instead, it appears that he was giving up a lot of completions along with those 9 ints...

And again, the guy's played 2 games the last 2 seasons, it's pretty silly to assume that you're getting the same player who got all that PR in 03 and 04...

Spots 4 and 5 are up for competition: Macklin, Butler, Jimoh, Westbrook.

Macklin was in and out of the starting lineup, battling with the immortal Eric Green (LOL), for the league's 30th ranked pass defense... he had 1 int and 4 passes defensed in 14 games last season... now, he WAS a bit more effective the previous 2 years, and I guess so long as you don't expect him to be more than a third corner, he won't be too hateful...

Jimoh is a stiff, always has been... the only thing he'll offer the Skins is special teams help... in 63 games played, he's still looking for his first int, and he has but 5 passes defensed in that time... if you guys have to use him for any extended period of time as a cornerback, you're in DEEP doo-doo... the Boys have 2 reserve corners on their roster who are superior to him, and it wouldn't shock me if neither of them made the 53 man roster this year (Nate Jones and Jacques Reeves)...

As for Westbrook, permit me a second to LOL at you... this guy is an undrafted rookie free agent, who played DIVISION III college football, at that noted football powerhouse, Salisbury University... the only way this kid stands a chance of making the team is if he can impress as a kick returner... I guess you're all excited because his brother is a good NFL running back, and of course the little brothers of good NFL running backs ALWAYS turn into stud NFL defensive backs...

Even if Butler is fully recovered, and that's a BIG "if", cornerback is still a weakness on the Skins' roster...

 

[silverbear]

A.k.a., the gimp, the simp and the shrimp.

ROTFL... c'mon, Adam, you bring the facts, I bring the smack... if you start doing my job, I'll be useless around here...

That said, this particular round of smack was right witty... you have potential if you ever do decide to play the flame game...

 

[5Stars]

ROTFL... c'mon, Adam, you bring the facts, I bring the smack... if you start doing my job, I'll be useless around here...

That said, this particular round of smack was right witty... you have potential if you ever do decide to play the flame game...

(see if you can get Adam to join the DVS)?

 

[Angus]

KFFL:

Commanders | Butler signed
Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:43:18 -0700
Gary Fitzgerald, of Commanders.com, reports the Washington Commanders have signed unrestricted free-agent CB Jerametrius Butler (Rams). Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

 

[silverbear]

Butler ate up 550,000 or something like that.

That puts them down to 5 million.

So yeah, that 500K is probably not going to be a difference maker in the Cooley extension.....

Naw, if that's all he signed for, it won't pinch much...

The flip side is, why did he sign for vet minimum (with the rule of 51, that would work out to around a 750k contract for this year, which I believe is the veteran minimum) so very quickly?? That doesn't say a lot for the way he viewed his own worth on the open market...

Where did you find that info, Vintage?? The only official reports I can find are on NFL.com and KFFL, and they're not giving out any contract numbers...

 

[silverbear]

(see if you can get Adam to join the DVS)?

If he'd join up, I'd give up being the Lord High Muckety-Muck, LOL...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol....."I wish we'd have used that money on Ken Hamlin."

owned.

I like that 3-8.

Almost as much as I like the fact that the Commanders are idiots. Last year they stockpile RBs (who didn't play, altho draft picks were surrendered), this year it's defensive backs, who won't play - and their pressure issue is ignored.

Great plan.

well according to some of the skin faithful, DBs are more important

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Naw, if that's all he signed for, it won't pinch much...

The flip side is, why did he sign for vet minimum (with the rule of 51, that would work out to around a 750k contract for this year, which I believe is the veteran minimum) so very quickly?? That doesn't say a lot for the way he viewed his own worth on the open market...

Where did you find that info, Vintage?? The only official reports I can find are on NFL.com and KFFL, and they're not giving out any contract numbers...

well Ken Hamlin signing for 2.5 mil for 1 year isn't that much better

 

[silverbear]

well Ken Hamlin signing for 2.5 mil for 1 year isn't that much better

I found that one strange, too... maybe they both have the same (lousy) agent??

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I found that one strange, too... maybe they both have the same (lousy) agent??

I don't think the agent really comes into play, I just think the market for his services dried up, or noone was willing to commit to him long-term, if you can't get the long-term deal you want, it would be best to just take a 1 year, blow-up, and get it the next year, or attempt to, which is what I think Hamlin is doing now

 

[Green28]

Springs is 32, and has missed 22 games over the last 6 seasons... he's had 2 ints and 15 passes defensed in his last 24 games (covering 2 seasons)...

Smoot has missed 5 games the last 2 years himself, and has been in and out of the starting lineup for a really bad Minnesota pass defense that finished 22nd 2 years ago, dead last last year... he has recorded 3 ints and all of 11 passes defensed in his last 25 games...

Rogers, well, let's just say that this kid was bit BAD by the "sophomore jinx" last year... his 79 tackles is more a testimony to how often he gave up completions and made the tackle than it was to his abilities defending the run...

If those are your top 3 corners (and they are), no wonder the Skins were so quick to jump on Butler-- even if he does have MAJOR injury issues (missed all of 05, played 2 games in 06)... even when he was considered "good", his numbers weren't all that-- he had 4 ints in 03, but only 5 passes defensed... he followed that up with 5 ints the following season, but he did have 14 passes defensed, which isn't bad... OTOH, the Rams as a team only had 6 ints, which strongly suggests that Butler got those picks because he was the one they were throwing on most often... this is borne out by the number of tackles he had those 2 seasons, 71 in 03 and 79 in 04... those are some awfully high tackle totals for a cornerback... of those 150 tackles, only 13 were assisted, suggesting he wasn't racking up tackles supporting the run (which is hardly surprising, given that he's 5-10, 185 pounds)... instead, it appears that he was giving up a lot of completions along with those 9 ints...

And again, the guy's played 2 games the last 2 seasons, it's pretty silly to assume that you're getting the same player who got all that PR in 03 and 04...



Macklin was in and out of the starting lineup, battling with the immortal Eric Green (LOL), for the league's 30th ranked pass defense... he had 1 int and 4 passes defensed in 14 games last season... now, he WAS a bit more effective the previous 2 years, and I guess so long as you don't expect him to be more than a third corner, he won't be too hateful...

Jimoh is a stiff, always has been... the only thing he'll offer the Skins is special teams help... in 63 games played, he's still looking for his first int, and he has but 5 passes defensed in that time... if you guys have to use him for any extended period of time as a cornerback, you're in DEEP doo-doo... the Boys have 2 reserve corners on their roster who are superior to him, and it wouldn't shock me if neither of them made the 53 man roster this year (Nate Jones and Jacques Reeves)...

As for Westbrook, permit me a second to LOL at you... this guy is an undrafted rookie free agent, who played DIVISION III college football, at that noted football powerhouse, Salisbury University... the only way this kid stands a chance of making the team is if he can impress as a kick returner... I guess you're all excited because his brother is a good NFL running back, and of course the little brothers of good NFL running backs ALWAYS turn into stud NFL defensive backs...

Even if Butler is fully recovered, and that's a BIG "if", cornerback is still a weakness on the Skins' roster...

My god, man! I just answered the question, 'why did they sign Butler?' He was signed to compete for the 4th CB spot.

 

[Green28]

Releasing Todd Collins adds 1.5M in cap space, I believe.

 

[firehawk350]

Releasing Todd Collins adds 1.5M in cap space, I believe.

Yeah, word out of Europe is Bramlet is tearing it up right now so I think that's the direction the Skins will head with #3 QB.

But cmon now, Jones and Reeves are complete scrubs and there's no way to tell who's more of a scrub Jimoh or Jones. They both won't last a second against anything better then a #4 receiver. Anyways, I noticed how there were a few boys fans who were all about "let's go get him for the vet min" and now that Washington signed him, it's the worst move ever.