Jerametrius Butler Released by Rams... signed by Skins

[tomson75]

Yeah, word out of Europe is Bramlet is tearing it up right now so I think that's the direction the Skins will head with #3 QB.

Congratulations. Now you just have to find a #1 QB and you'll be set.

But cmon now, Jones and Reeves are complete scrubs and there's no way to tell who's more of a scrub Jimoh or Jones. They both won't last a second against anything better then a #4 receiver. Anyways, I noticed how there were a few boys fans who were all about "let's go get him for the vet min" and now that Washington signed him, it's the worst move ever.

Jones likely won't find a spot on this roster this year.

Reeves is not, by most accounts, a "complete scrub" as you have so eloquently stated. Most of the coaching staff believe he is a very capable #3 DB and wouldn't be too terribly alarmed if he were thrust into a starting role due to injury. Which, would probably make him a starter on your pathetic club.

We don't need this guy, as we actually use draft picks for things like this.
Your team sucks. Your post sucks. Try again.

 

[firehawk350]

Congratulations. Now you just have to find a #1 QB and you'll be set.

Oh okay, I'm so glad you have so much to add.

Jones likely won't find a spot on this roster this year.

Reeves is not, by most accounts, a "complete scrub" as you have so eloquently stated. Most of the coaching staff believe he is a very capable #3 DB and wouldn't be too terribly alarmed if he were thrust into a starting role due to injury. Which, would probably make him a starter on your pathetic club.

We don't need this guy, as we actually use draft picks for things like this.
Your team sucks. Your post sucks. Try again.

Oh, so somehow Reeves, who has the glowing stat line of 7 passes defensed and no INTs will somehow break the line-up? Yeah, that's right, good ol' Ade Jimoh, who is the long shot to make our roster has 5. The stat line is not much different. Yet, your relying on Reeves to bring up the nickel spot when old as sin Glenn finally has a heart attack on the field? I don't think you have much room to talk, as your oh-so-wondrous club was 26th in pass defense and is just getting older and older (Henry will be 31 in November, Glenn will be 35 in July).
And apparently you DON'T use draft picks for things like this. Who did you draft to help out the secondary?

 

[tomson75]

Oh okay, I'm so glad you have so much to add.

Sorry, I'll try and start calling people derogatory names like "scrubs" and whatnot...so as that I can be of more value to this board.

Oh, so somehow Reeves, who has the glowing stat line of 7 passes defensed and no INTs will somehow break the line-up? Yeah, that's right, good ol' Ade Jimoh, who is the long shot to make our roster has 5. The stat line is not much different. Yet, your relying on Reeves to bring up the nickel spot when old as sin Glenn finally has a heart attack on the field? I don't think you have much room to talk, as your oh-so-wondrous club was 26th in pass defense and is just getting older and older (Henry will be 31 in November, Glenn will be 35 in July).
And apparently you DON'T use draft picks for things like this. Who did you draft to help out the secondary?

His stat line is a direct reflection of his snaps taken...not many. He hasn't been able to beat out anyone in the top three. I never said he wasn't where he deserved to be...I simply meant to inform you that just because he is our #4 guy, that doesn't necassarily mean that he is a "scrub." I'm not relying on him to actually do anything, in fact, because we still have three guys ahead of him. However, in the case that someone is injured, many people feel that he has the talent and ability to play. We wouldn't have to jump into the free agent pool and overpay some has-been to come in and play five games for us (see: your team).

Furthermore, we actually did draft players to help our secondary...you may have missed it as most skins fan did due to the fact that they usually don't watch the draft because, well, there is really no need for you to do so. Or you may not have been capable of comprehending the relationship, but we took Anthony Spencer with our first pick. Having a pass rush enhances any secondary's ability to defend the pass...although this too, may be a foriegn concept to you as of late.

Oh, and we took two project CB's on day two FWIW.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

firehawk, are you a pain-freak or something? please, explain to me what makes you keep coming on here, opening your mouth?

 

[firehawk350]

Sorry, I'll try and start calling people derogatory names like "scrubs" and whatnot...so as that I can be of more value to this board.

Oh, I didn't know you were so sensitive.

His stat line is a direct reflection of his snaps taken...not many. He hasn't been able to beat out anyone in the top three. I never said he wasn't where he deserved to be...I simply meant to inform you that just because he is our #4 guy, that doesn't necassarily mean that he is a "scrub." I'm not relying on him to actually do anything, in fact, becasue we still have three guys ahead of him. However, in the case that someone is injured, many people feel that he has the talent and ability to play. We wouldn't have to jump into the free agent pool and overpay some has-been to come in and play five games for us (see: your team).

Yeah, they both play the same position (Jimoh and Reeves), #4 corner, so they should have similiar stat lines. And they do. So, now that Jimoh is fighting for a spot, which the odds are against him getting, don't you think that a player with a similiar stat line, in the same position, on a similiarly ranked pass defense will somehow not only make our squad, but beat out the top players? Tell me how this logic applies.

You do have 3 guys ahead of him, we have, right now, about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Jimoh, and most of them are much younger then two of your guys. Glenn is getting old like I said and has lost a step big time and will only continue to regress and Henry is a big question mark to begin with.

Overpaying??? The vet min on a guy who may be good enough to be a #2-3 CB??? If he doesn't show he can play up to something resembling his old form, we can cut him, no skin off our back. Very low risk, high reward.

Furthermore, we actually did draft players to help our secondary...you may have missed it as most skins fan did due to the fact that they usually don't watch the draft because, well, there is really no need for you to do so, or may not have been capable of comprehending...but we took Anthony Spencer with our first pick. Having a pass rush enhances any secondary's ability to defend the pass...although this too, may be a foriegn concept to you as of late.

Oh, and we took two project CB's on day two FWIW.

By your logic, anybody on the defense helps the secondary then... Yeah, we picked up a DE in the first so increased pressure... We picked up a NT who should demand double teams, so the LBs can get to the QB quicker and increase the pressure... I bet, using your logic, getting Davis also helps your secondary. He'll help in the run game, so the defense will be on the sideline longer, so the linemen will be rested and can eat up more blocks, allowing the LBs free reign to the QB, thus increasing the pressure you put on the QB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You do have 3 guys ahead of him, we have, right now, about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Jimoh, and most of them are much younger then two of your guys. Glenn is getting old like I said and has lost a step big time and will only continue to regress and Henry is a big question mark to begin with.

you only have 1 above-average corner, and he's injury prone and doesn't want to play for you anymore

average pass-rushers, average secondary=exposed

By your logic, anybody on the defense helps the secondary then... Yeah, we picked up a DE in the first so increased pressure...

an undrafted FA, we picked up one of the consensus top pass-rushers in a deep class

We picked up a NT who should demand double teams, so the LBs can get to the QB quicker and increase the pressure...

very wishful thinking

I bet, using your logic, getting Davis also helps your secondary. He'll help in the run game, so the defense will be on the sideline longer, so the linemen will be rested and can eat up more blocks, allowing the LBs free reign to the QB, thus increasing the pressure you put on the QB.

btw, your D is playing in a scheme that has been exposed, while we're installing a new scheme that has proven very successful at getting to the passer, in every stop

 

[DallasEast]

Yet, your relying on Reeves to bring up the nickel spot when old as sin Glenn finally has a heart attack on the field? I don't think you have much room to talk, as your oh-so-wondrous club was 26th in pass defense and is just getting older and older (Henry will be 31 in November, Glenn will be 35 in July).

It's not necessarily about age. Darrell Green was still a very effective primary cornerback when he retired at age 42. Aaron Glenn is still a very effective nickel and backup cornerback at age (almost) 35.

And apparently you DON'T use draft picks for things like this. Who did you draft to help out the secondary?

I know you guys don't have a lot to look forward to on NFL Draft Weekend every year, but you do know that other teams draft players that their fans actually know what positions they were selected for... right..?

 

[firehawk350]

you only have 1 average corner, and he's injury prone and doesn't want to play for you anymore

Oh dear lord... You are a moron if you think Springs, when healthy is merely "average". You have one good corner who doesn't intercept anything.

an undrafted FA, we picked up one of the consensus top pass-rushers in a deep class

I wasn't talking about us, I was saying that using that logic, any move at all helps the secondary. To not touch your defense is the only way, in Tomlin's mind, to not help the secondary.

btw, your D is playing in a scheme that has been exposed, while we're installing a new scheme that has proven very successful at getting to the passer, in every stop

Actually dude, we're installing a new scheme. I don't know if you know, but San Diego's scheme has been good at sacks, but has never been a great one in terms of production.

 

[firehawk350]

It's not necessarily about age. Darrell Green was still a very effective primary cornerback when he retired at age 42. Aaron Glenn is still a very effective nickel and backup cornerback at age (almost) 35.

This is where we disagree. You sit there and say that everything is good in Dallas' secondary but your secondary didn't do so well. So where's the weak link?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh dear lord... You are a moron if you think Springs, when healthy is merely "average". You have one good corner who doesn't intercept anything.

we actually have one of the best corners in the entire league, who shutdowns his side of the field

btw, I edited average out of fairness, don't want to completely homer it up like you do

I wasn't talking about us, I was saying that using that logic, any move at all helps the secondary. To not touch your defense is the only way, in Tomlin's mind, to not help the secondary.

no, any GOOD move towards the front 7 helps the secondary

Actually dude, we're installing a new scheme. I don't know if you know, but San Diego's scheme has been good at sacks, but has never been a great one in terms of production.

you're not installing a new scheme, you're just tinkering w/ it, it's still the same, weak scheme that relies on your LBs and defensive backs to bring the heat, you're just getting rid of all the cover-2

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This is where we disagree. You sit there and say that everything is good in Dallas' secondary but your secondary didn't do so well. So where's the weak link?

the pass-rush and FS, which we addressed w/ 2 quality players, not to mention going to a 1-gap scheme and getting rid of the safeties playing deep, cover-2

 

[DallasEast]

This is where we disagree. You sit there and say that everything is good in Dallas' secondary but your secondary didn't do so well. So where's the weak link?

Did you jump at my reply without noticing who the poster was first? "You sit there and say..."



You put down Glenn because of his age. I simply provided you with perspective.

Saaaay, what am I thinking now?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Did you jump at my reply without noticing who the poster was first? "You sit there and say..."



You put down Glenn because of his age. I simply provided you with perspective.

Saaaay, what am I thinking now?

I'm telling you, this kid is a masochists

 

[firehawk350]

we actually have one of the best corners in the entire league, who shutdowns his side of the field

btw, I edited average out of fairness, don't want to completely homer it up like you do

That's fine, but I have never said anything about our team being so great. So I don't know how I "homer it up".

no, any GOOD move towards the front 7 helps the secondary

So, we're going to go ahead and declare Spencer an automatic success??? We're not even sure he's going to supplant Ellis.

you're not installing a new scheme, you're just tinkering w/ it, it's still the same, weak scheme that relies on your LBs and defensive backs to bring the heat, you're just getting rid of all the cover-2

Yes, moving from the cover-2 to the cover-1 IS installing a new scheme. Your just merely shifting from a 1-gap to a 2-gap and changing the look of the blitzes. A completely new scheme would be going to a 4-6.

 

[tomson75]

Oh, I didn't know you were so sensitive.

Oh yes, please, take it easy on me...I'm so hurt.

Yeah, they both play the same position (Jimoh and Reeves), #4 corner, so they should have similiar stat lines. And they do. So, now that Jimoh is fighting for a spot, which the odds are against him getting, don't you think that a player with a similiar stat line, in the same position, on a similiarly ranked pass defense will somehow not only make our squad, but beat out the top players? Tell me how this logic applies.

How dense are you? When did I even mention Jimoh? Oh wait....I didn't. You're trying to apply your befuddling logic to something that doesn't even exist here. I was simply addressing your oh so creative labeling patterns when you dubbed Reeves as a "scrub."

You do have 3 guys ahead of him, we have, right now, about 5 or 6 guys ahead of Jimoh, and most of them are much younger then two of your guys.

If you want to keep comparing two players that you've never even seen play, than by all means, continue...I'll do nothing to stand in your way.

Glenn is getting old like I said and has lost a step big time and will only continue to regress and Henry is a big question mark to begin with.

Well then its a good thing that we have Reeves and our other project guys...duh. Henry is an outstanding corner when healthy...but again, what are you even talking about here?

Overpaying??? The vet min on a guy who may be good enough to be a #2-3 CB??? If he doesn't show he can play up to something resembling his old form, we can cut him, no skin off our back. Very low risk, high reward.

I know this is a difficult concept to grasp, but try and keep up. I didn't even acknowledge Jimoh. I was referring to the tendencies your inept FO has towards overpaying overhyped and overrated players to play as band-aids in innapropriate schemes.

By your logic, anybody on the defense helps the secondary then... Yeah, we picked up a DE in the first so increased pressure... We picked up a NT who should demand double teams, so the LBs can get to the QB quicker and increase the pressure... I bet, using your logic, getting Davis also helps your secondary. He'll help in the run game, so the defense will be on the sideline longer, so the linemen will be rested and can eat up more blocks, allowing the LBs free reign to the QB, thus increasing the pressure you put on the QB.

Wow, I'm impressed you could figure that out by yourself.

Apparently you missed the part where we drafted two corners.

 

[firehawk350]

the pass-rush and FS, which we addressed w/ 2 quality players, not to mention going to a 1-gap scheme and getting rid of the safeties playing deep, cover-2

Your relying on a concussion Hamlin to shore up the position, the one where there has been wondering if Watkins can take his spot?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So, we're going to go ahead and declare Spencer an automatic success??? We're not even sure he's going to supplant Ellis.

getting a very good pass-rushing prospect is a good move

it could fail, or succeed, but you have to get him in here 1st

Yes, moving from the cover-2 to the cover-1 IS installing a new scheme. Your just merely shifting from a 1-gap to a 2-gap and changing the look of the blitzes. A completely new scheme would be going to a 4-6.

you're a genius, both Wade and Bill run a 3-4, but they are 2, different animals, a 2-gap, 3-4 is a read-and-react D, a one-gap, 3-4 is not, so...different schemes!

you do know a cover-2 and cover-1 are coverage schemes, right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Your relying on a concussion Hamlin to shore up the position, the one where there has been wondering if Watkins can take his spot?

LOL a concussion from 2 years ago, that is your rebuttal?

 

[tomson75]

LOL a concussion from 2 years ago, that is your rebuttal?

I had a beer last night with dinner....i better not drive to work monday.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm telling you, this kid is a masochists