Jerry credits being his own GM for getting Trey Lance

[aikemirv]

Not true but a folk ballad instead. He gives credit to the whole group involved.

That's why Jimmy is in the ring of honor.....oh wait!

 

[CCBoy]

That's why Jimmy is in the ring of honor.....oh wait!

That's not Jimmy's or your call.

 

[MS17]

I do know that if he was not the owner then Jerry Jones the GM would have been fired over 20 years ago. He only gets to keep the GM title because he owns the team.

Well, there are fans out there who will tell you that Jerruh is the ultimate NFL GM. They'll claim he's scaled the heights and redefined the term for the rest of us.
Ask him, he'll tell you that. We've witnessed that provided you have enough wealth, almost anyone can buy an NFL team. And take credit for a winning season or a great trade, draft.

 

[5Stars]

That's not Jimmy's or your call.

But you said JJ give credit to all involved which is not true otherwise our beloved Coach Jimmy would get some love by being in the ROH...but no, JJ does not want that, he wants to be the one that made those SB's happen...while he sits on his Golden Throne drinking his rot gut booze.

 

[Pola_pe_a]

Name all these top qbs that Shanahan's qb friendly system has produced. He's had nothing but mediocre spares. RG3 was the closest they came to a top guy and they ruined him by playing him on a bad knee.

I didn’t say he made great QB’s, I said his system is easy and lets mediocre QB’s perform well. So in one of the QB friendliest offenses a guy with a top 3 skill set couldn’t succeed but Mr Irrelevant could?

And Kyle Shanahan was RG3’s OC for 2 years, most of his success came before KS was the OC.

 

[Zekeats]

He just happened to be off his yacht for once.

 

[nate dizzle]

It also gives him the luxury to unilaterally fire head coaches and coordinators as scapegoats if those GM moves don't pan out.

It's good to be the king

 

[morat1959]

Bad according to who. Some whining internet fans?
Yeah, ok, we will go with that over people that are actually in football.

Those same people who’ve made the same football decisions for the past 27 years.

 

[shabazz]

It's good to be the king

Yup and in this case there is zero chance of us taking up pitchforks and torches and rushing the castle……we can just whine about it in a fan forum

 

[DallasEast]

When has Jerry ever made a trade that wasn’t for the immediate?

Jerry don’t do business for 3 or 4 years down the line.

Charles Haley trade (Jimmy Johnson influenced) - Jerry Jones subtracted a key Hall of Fame bound veteran defensive powerhouse from the franchise chief Super Bowl contending rival of that era, San Francisco.

Hershel Walker trade (Jimmy Johnson influenced) - along with future picks, Jones secured a cornerback (Isacc Holt), a defensive end (Alex Stewart) and two linebackers (David Howard and Jesse Solomon) targeted for immediate insertion into and upgrade of a modest defense. And Walker? He was one of the stars of the short-lived USFL and former Heisman Trophy winner. Who was going to start over him?

Joey Galloway trade - Michael Irvin gone. Huge hole at #1 wide receiver. Jones' unrealized gift to Troy Aikman. Next

Roy Williams trade - Jones wanted another 'number one' wide receiver opposite Terrell Owens. Bad. Next.

Amari Cooper trade - Cole Beasley, Tavon Austin and Allen Hurns were not cutting it. Jones was desperate to salvage the 2018 season because of a sputtering offense.

Or does the point of contention involve draft day trades?

• Emmitt Smith - projected immediate starter (WHO was his realistic competition to block him?)
• Dez Bryant - (coming back to this)
• DeMarcus Lawrence - Jones had starting ends like Jeremy Mincey and George Selvie. I repeat. Jones had starting ends like Jeremy Mincey and George Selvie. Can I get all owls in the house to say, "Who Who? Who Who" Note: Lawrence was not a full-time starter until his second season, displacing... who again?

Maybe I have missed a Jones trade intended for an expected impact player to immediately start. Perhaps you can post one or more?

Back to Bryant. He was always going to replace Roy Williams sooner than later. Williams never lived up to being a #1 regular season wide receiver for Jones. Scratch that. Williams barely lived up to being a solid #2 regular season wide receiver for Jones. The price he paid to trade for Williams was not on par with the two first rounders for Galloway but the 20th, 82nd and 192nd overall picks were notable for a team strapped for drafting capital. Williams was never a long-term barrier for Bryant to ascend to full-time starter.

Comparing the above 'trades for immediate' return to the Trey Lance acquisition is a stretch. Also, none of these are trades akin to what Jones initiated to replace a starting franchise quarterback, of which he has had only three in Aikman, Tony Romo and Dak Prescott.

~Yeah yeah, fellow members. Franchise quarterback does not mean what I mean. Tell it to Jones already. lol.~

Jones could have bit on a first round Paxton Lynch. Did not. He stayed firm and picked Ezekiel Elliott. He has stated strongly wanting Lynch. Maybe strongly enough to unseat Tony Romo, right?

Jones could have bit on a first round Trey Lance. Did not. He stuck to the board and picked Micah Parsons. He REALLY wanted to start Lance over Prescott then, right?

Serious request. Demonstrate your opinion of Jones' thinking 'I've finally gotten my hands on Lance who I wanted two years ago and I will dump Prescott like a hot rock ASAP.' I mean. Because. All of the above? THAT'S what Jerry Jones has actually done according to your hypothetical.

 

[Rayman70]

Maybe I am in the minority but I have 0 issue with Jerry's handling of getting Trey Lance. He doesn't need the coaches permission to run his team. Would it have been nice? MAYBE...but this stuff happens all across the league every day. Dallas just grabs the headlines because its Jerry. Its a big nothing burger.

 

[LysleE]

Way to spin it Jerry!

 

[gimmesix]

Not sure Jerry thinks long and hard about anything football-related.

 

[gimmesix]

And some think he's just a figurehead.lol

Jerry's gonna Jerry. Can't keep him under wraps 24 hours a day.

 

[DandyDon52]

Detroit, Baltimore, and Buffalo showed interest. And talk about "speculation". Do you really think nfl teams didn't know the 49ers might be ready to move on from Lance? All they had to do was see their depth chart. McCarthy said he wasn't in on the business end but was on the evaluation. You know that McClay and the player personnel people would be involved in this as well.

There was no evaluation, it was all business. Took place in a couple of hours.
That is why jerry is bragging about this deal, he did it alone , spur of the moment deal.

 

[DallasEast]

Charles Haley trade (Jimmy Johnson influenced) - Jerry Jones subtracted a key Hall of Fame bound veteran defensive powerhouse from the franchise chief Super Bowl contending rival of that era, San Francisco.

Hershel Walker trade (Jimmy Johnson influenced) - along with future picks, Jones secured a cornerback (Isacc Holt), a defensive end (Alex Stewart) and two linebackers (David Howard and Jesse Solomon) targeted for immediate insertion into and upgrade of a modest defense. And Walker? He was one of the stars of the short-lived USFL and former Heisman Trophy winner. Who was going to start over him?

Joey Galloway trade - Michael Irvin gone. Huge hole at #1 wide receiver. Jones' unrealized gift to Troy Aikman. Next

Roy Williams trade - Jones wanted another 'number one' wide receiver opposite Terrell Owens. Bad. Next.

Amari Cooper trade - Cole Beasley, Tavon Austin and Allen Hurns were not cutting it. Jones was desperate to salvage the 2018 season because of a sputtering offense.

Or does the point of contention involve draft day trades?

• Emmitt Smith - projected immediate starter (WHO was his realistic competition to block him?)
• Dez Bryant - (coming back to this)
• DeMarcus Lawrence - Jones had starting ends like Jeremy Mincey and George Selvie. I repeat. Jones had starting ends like Jeremy Mincey and George Selvie. Can I get all owls in the house to say, "Who Who? Who Who" Note: Lawrence was not a full-time starter until his second season, displacing... who again?

Maybe I have missed a Jones trade intended for an expected impact player to immediately start. Perhaps you can post one or more?

Back to Bryant. He was always going to replace Roy Williams sooner than later. Williams never lived up to being a #1 regular season wide receiver for Jones. Scratch that. Williams barely lived up to being a solid #2 regular season wide receiver for Jones. The price he paid to trade for Williams was not on par with the two first rounders for Galloway but the 20th, 82nd and 192nd overall picks were notable for a team strapped for drafting capital. Williams was never a long-term barrier for Bryant to ascend to full-time starter.

Comparing the above 'trades for immediate' return to the Trey Lance acquisition is a stretch. Also, none of these are trades akin to what Jones initiated to replace a starting franchise quarterback, of which he has had only three in Aikman, Tony Romo and Dak Prescott.

~Yeah yeah, fellow members. Franchise quarterback does not mean what I mean. Tell it to Jones already. lol.~

Jones could have bit on a first round Paxton Lynch. Did not. He stayed firm and picked Ezekiel Elliott. He has stated strongly wanting Lynch. Maybe strongly enough to unseat Tony Romo, right?

Jones could have bit on a first round Trey Lance. Did not. He stuck to the board and picked Micah Parsons. He REALLY wanted to start Lance over Prescott then, right?

Serious question. Demonstrate your opinion of Jones' thinking 'I've finally gotten my hands on Lance who I wanted two years ago and I will dump Prescott like a hot rock ASAP.' I mean. Because. All of the above? THAT'S what Jerry Jones has actually done according to your hypothetical.

I should be less long-winded.

 

[Cowboys5217]

That's why Jimmy is in the ring of honor.....oh wait!

Wow! You nuked that response from orbit!

 

[5Stars]

I should be less long-winded.

No, your fine...BRB...still reading.

 

[JoeKing]

Jerry is telling on himself. The Cowboy's FO structure is void of the checks and balances you get when the Owner just signs the checks and the GM is a different guy with the acumen to run a professional football team. If the decision were solely on a guy like Will McClay's shoulders, I doubt the trade would happen, which is Jerry's point. McClay would have his own guys in the front office to help make this decision. I'm fine with the trade not happening but it did. We'll just have to wait and see how that pans out.

 

[Buzzbait]

Did he also credit himself for overpaying. No one was close to giving up a 4th for Lance.

Yup, a 4th round pick is a REALLY high price to pay for a QB. Wow. You're really worried about a 4th round pick for a possible good QB? And if he doesn't work out as hoped, we only lost a 4th round pick. Not a big deal by any stretch.
But if he develops into a good QB, then it was steal!