Jerry happy with safety - May draft LB

[casmith07]

Can you name 5 worse? Maybe Washington?

The Skins alone have a roster full of worse players. Roman Harper is atrocious. Everyone on Jacksonville is worse.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't think it's about giving up on Carter..

it's more about having 3 capable Lbers on the field at the same time.

It's also about looking for Lee's backup.

We know he needs spelling at the position to make it thru the season.

Personally..I'd like to see Lee go to SSLber and draft a MLBer who can stay healthy in the middle for a change.

You don't find a backup middle linebacker in the first round and you don't draft a slb in the first round either.

 

[TheDude]

The Skins alone have a roster full of worse players. Roman Harper is atrocious. Everyone on Jacksonville is worse.

No one would trade K Vaccaro and Roman Harper (2013) for Church and Heath/Wilcox. K Vaccaro is a stud. J Cyprien (Jax) is also way better than either . Merriweather and Reid Doughty/Heath Sr may be the only comparable.

 

[Nightman]

LBers that I liked during the combine, no particular order. Haven't seen a lot of games from these guys, they just looked good during the drills.

OLB
Barr-UCLA
Shembo-ND
Mack-Buff
Zumwalt-UCLA
Tripp-Mont
Lokombo-Ore

ILB
Mosely-Ala
Morris-Iowa
Borland-Wis

 

[pgreptom]

I'll bet he doesnt. He is at the wrong place at the wrong time. A slow un-athatletic hitter like Church would have been vital about 15 years ago.

Church will ultimately end up as a SS. I agree that a 4.6 and in the upper range is entirely too slow for a safety.. but I bet he's fine. By the way, Kam Chancellor ran a 4.62.

 

[Nightman]

Church will ultimately end up as a SS. I agree that a 4.6 and in the upper range is entirely too slow for a safety.. but I bet he's fine. By the way, Kam Chancellor ran a 4.62.

Chancellor also struggled a lot before he finally put it all together.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

How can you say this after only one year with Heath and Wilcox? Dallas has invested a lot of time (not to mention some money) in Wilcox and Heath. To draft a safety early this year would render the Wilcox pick a complete waste. He 's going to get another season before they call him a bust. What's more, he deserves another year.

Dallas really likes what they have in him and Heath, as well as Matt Johnson. There has to be a reason they keep him around.

I agree with this. I simply can't see the Cowboys pulling the trigger on a safety in round 1. Neither can I see them considering an OLB. It's probably going to be a d-lineman.

 

[pgreptom]

Well don't forget Barry tore an ACL and missed a season and the two seasons before that he was just a special teamer. It was basically his first season as a starter I think he will be a great fit once we have a pass rush. We need a little boom back there and his coverage is not atrocious. He had 6 PF last year.. 1 INT and 3 FF to go with 107 tackles.

 

[Redball Express]

You don't find a backup middle linebacker in the first round and you don't draft a slb in the first round either.

Hey..

Didn't we find Bobby Carpenter that way..?

 

[Alexander]

LBers that I liked during the combine, no particular order. Haven't seen a lot of games from these guys, they just looked good during the drills.

OLB
Barr-UCLA
Shembo-ND
Mack-Buff
Zumwalt-UCLA
Tripp-Mont
Lokombo-Ore

ILB
Mosely-Ala
Morris-Iowa
Borland-Wis

I agree with most of these. There some skeletons in Shembo's closet, so I would be careful there.

Borland would be a gift backup to Lee but I doubt we spend what it would take to get him to just back him up. Love Zumwalt's energy.

 

[Nightman]

I agree with most of these. There some skeletons in Shembo's closet, so I would be careful there.

Borland would be a gift backup to Lee but I doubt we spend what it would take to get him to just back him up. Love Zumwalt's energy.

Was Shembo the guy named in the sexual assault?

 

[AsthmaField]

Now that Dallas is running a 43 defense, they won't draft LB in round 1. At least not until they have just about every other position fixed.

On defense they'll draft DT (3 tech), DE, and CB without blinking an eye. Those are the impact positions on defense.

In a 43 defense they feel like you can find LB's, S, and 1 tech DT later in the draft.

I think they would go LB in the second and safety with possibly Safety in the first if the guy was good enough and there wasn't a good 3 tech DT or DE's available.

With their current needs I would rule out CB, so if they go defense in round 1 I would look at either a 3tech DT, or a DE this year.

 

[Alexander]

Was Shembo the guy named in the sexual assault?

Yes. He is actually from my local area and he has some documented issues even back to high school.

 

[rpntex]

Honest to god how can you defend the safety play this year? They were physically and mentally outmatched in every phase of the game in every game they played.

I hope you're right and they develop into a solid unit but when I watch Seattle and San Francisco I find it impossible to think Jeff Heath will ever become that kind of player.

We will continue to ignore that position at our own peril and Jerry saying he's happy with it is disgraceful - he can be happy with the improvement of the offensive line not the safety play. But as I said I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

There's a huge difference between "defending" the play of Heath and Wilcox, and wanting them to get another year to see what they really have. It's a tough decision, not to mention a pretty stupid one, to give up on a couple of guys after one season. If that's the way you'd handle "your" roster, we would have never seen Tony Romo, Jason Hatcher, and countless others whose rookie season was barely serviceable. One of the greatest Cowboys of the 70's---Charlie Waters---would have been flushed at the end of his rookie season as well.

If a safety was the difference between where Dallas is now and the Super Bowl, then by all means, go get one. Odds are very high, however, that best safety in the draft ain't gonna make a bit of difference until the DL finds a way to pressure the QB. I swear, our secondary could have consisted of Deion Sanders, Richard Sherman, Ed Reed, and Kenny Houston---in their primes---and they still would have gotten torched behind Dallas' front seven last season. Neither you, nor I, nor anybody else, knows what Wilcox and/or Heath really has right ow. First, because of their lack of experience, and second, because they weren't competing on a level playing field.

 

[rpntex]

This is poor defensive line class and I wouldn't reach for one in the 1st round. Trading back is fine, but if Pryor is on the board at #16, I'm taking him.

Better coverage in the secondary = more time for the pass rush to reach the QB

Actually, it's just the opposite. No secondary can cover forever. You've heard the phrase "it starts in the trenches"? Whoever first said that knew what they talking about.

 

[xwalker]

Nothing personal....Matt Johnson has become the face of my personal pet peeve where someone who has really shown nothing is deemed the next great hope or projects to solidify the position. When in actuality, the player was a reach/gamble and overhyped by the organization. Stanbeck, AOA, Fasano, Hanna, Coale, etc.

Collective think overvalues talent then its ping pong/chicken and egg to find the reason player A didnt pan out (DLine, LBs, Safty, CB, injuries, luck). I myself cant say any player is NFL worthy until they at least make the field for a few games or played regularly against NFL type competition.

Not meaning to attack you

But like Heath, I can see Drew Brees, Manning, etc targeting JOhnson and I have nothing to tell me the outcome would be any different than Heath

There is no downside to bring Matt Johnson, Heath and everybody else to training camp to compete. All of the young
Safeties on the roster have good athletic ability. The more of them that they have, the higher the probability that one of them steps up and becomes a good player.

Having said that, I would let any existing Safeties keep me from drafting another one if that is the BPA at some point in the draft; however, I wouldn't go into the draft thinking that I must have one either.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There is no downside to bring Matt Johnson, Heath and everybody else to training camp to compete. All of the young
Safeties on the roster have good athletic ability. The more of them that they have, the higher the probability that one of them steps up and becomes a good player.

Having said that, I would let any existing Safeties keep me from drafting another one if that is the BPA at some point in the draft; however, I wouldn't go into the draft thinking that I must have one either.

I agree with that.

Yes, I would like improved safety play, but I don't want to be forced into drafting one who is not BPA.

I don't think Ha-Ha is a the answer as a cover-safety. Pryor... He's better but I wouldn't take him at 16. There are going to be better options at DL for that spot.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Clinton Dix or Pryor in the first round would be an instant upgrade

If either of those two guys are sitting there at 16 and we take CJ Mosley instead.............................wow.

 

[TheCount]

I'll bet he doesnt. He is at the wrong place at the wrong time. A slow un-athatletic hitter like Church would have been vital about 15 years ago.

You need to go have another look at Church's numbers if you believe he's unathlethic. What you mean to say is you don't like his 40 time and you've based all your opinions of his athleticism on that alone.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

You need to go have another look at Church's numbers if you believe he's unathlethic. What you mean to say is you don't like his 40 time and you've based all your opinions of his athleticism on that alone.

And the fact that he is completely lost in space, has no ball skills, stiff hips. Not. Good. Enough.