Jerry is one cowardly old man!

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stiletto;1365814 said:
I suppose you like this hire? I suppose your homeristic vision would have Phillips being crane-lifted to the shoulders of our players on Super Bowl sunday.

I wanted a young, innovative, non-retreaded coach who could be a motivator of men. Phillips has failed to do that in every stop as HC just like Norv. This is a pathetic choice. My choice wouldve been Ron Rivera for the following reasons:

He's Young, confident,etc
Had been enthusiastic about the chance to coach the Cowboys from the start
Seemed well spoken and open-minded from what I can tell
Had results to back up his candicacy (Top 5 defenses)
Learned D under Buddy Ryan, Jim Johnson, Lovie Smith
His past Players love playing for him and seem to speak highly of him
He favors letting players do what they do best instead of totally changing them around
He's played the game, come up through the coaching ranks with success
Has something to prove

Now we have another Tubby The Hutt who loves the 3-4 just like the one who exited the building. Again, be ready for 8-8.... I know the homers will support this move like he is the next coming of George Halas but not me. Sorry.



Nice lack of reasoning. This team was a defensive meltdown away from a playoff bye, they hire the guy who is the best defensive coach available and the only one who won't have to rework the entire defensive scheme thereby wasting a year and you're crying about it.

Well go back to cheering the Commanders. We'll see who's 8-8.
 

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baring injuries there is no way Dallas is 8-8 next season

calling this a pathetic hire is hilarious
 

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iceberg;1365786 said:
oh yea, it's a real he-man battle cat move to call someone out like that in a forum. you must make all the other 6 year olds quiver in fear.


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baj1dallas;1365841 said:
Nice lack of reasoning. This team was a defensive meltdown away from a playoff bye, they hire the guy who is the best defensive coach available and the only one who won't have to rework the entire defensive scheme thereby wasting a year and you're crying about it.

Well go back to cheering the Commanders. We'll see who's 8-8.

Typical homerish response. Now that he is hired, several of you will switch to Wade Can't Do Any Wrong mode and "we're going to the Super Bowl". When they put on a Star or sign a contract, they are the best thing since sliced bread. I see nothing wrong in my reasoning why we should hire a guy like Rivera over a re-tread coach. I want innovation. The Cowboys have always been leading edge. Now we are trailing the pack by far. We let Payton get away and now we have "Wade Phillips" leading the way. LOL. It's a joke....sorry if you don't agree.
 

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DizzG;1365854 said:
baring injuries there is no way Dallas is 8-8 next season

calling this a pathetic hire is hilarious

Heard alot of the same mantra last year... didnt turn out much better did it? Injuries are excuses, every team has them. Moving right along. I guess we'll see. Everyone is allowed their opinion.
 

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stiletto;1365814 said:
Idiot. I suppose you like this hire? I suppose your homeristic vision would have Phillips being crane-lifted to the shoulders of our players on Super Bowl sunday.

I wanted a young, innovative, non-retreaded coach who could be a motivator of men. Phillips has failed to do that in every stop as HC just like Norv. This is a pathetic choice. My choice wouldve been Ron Rivera for the following reasons:

He's Young, confident,etc
Had been enthusiastic about the chance to coach the Cowboys from the start
Seemed well spoken and open-minded from what I can tell
Had results to back up his candicacy (Top 5 defenses)
Learned D under Buddy Ryan, Jim Johnson, Lovie Smith
His past Players love playing for him and seem to speak highly of him
He favors letting players do what they do best instead of totally changing them around
He's played the game, come up through the coaching ranks with success
Has something to prove

Now we have another Tubby The Hutt who loves the 3-4 just like the one who exited the building. Again, be ready for 8-8.... I know the homers will support this move like he is the next coming of George Halas but not me. Sorry.

I won't try to bash your choice, but Rivera as head coach would have probably meant a serious shift in defensive philosophy. A switch back to the 4-3 defense would have been very likely. And that change could have put the team back one to two years, just like the switch to the 3-4 defense did.

Given the age of some players, I think this team needs to win now and not invest an additional two years in a scheme change.

I view this team as an underachieving but talented group who - given the weak state of the NFC - is not far away from contending for a championship.

I would rather have a veteran coach leading the group and one who clearly knows the intricacies of the 3-4 defense.

Phillips group in San Diego led the league with a whopping 61 sacks!

The only group who came close to that was Baltimore with 60.

No other team in the league broke 50!

Considering that he has a winning record, and he's coached a team to the playoffs 3 of 5 years as head coach, you can't call Wade Phillips a failure as a head coach.
 

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I'm not saying Phillips is going to be a failure. It's just a bad choice in my opinion. The 3-4 has been a failure and there is no reason to believe fact wise that it will improve....
 

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Brining in a defensive coach when you have an offensive coordinator who has never called a play in the NFL is anything but cowardly or safe.
 

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stiletto;1365875 said:
I'm not saying Phillips is going to be a failure. It's just a bad choice in my opinion. The 3-4 has been a failure and there is no reason to believe fact wise that it will improve....


You need to ask why the 3-4 has been a failure!

Phillips' 3-4 sure hasn't been!

Parcells' "read and react" 3-4 was a failure.

I think Phillips' version will allow the young talent on this team to excel.
 

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stiletto;1365861 said:
Typical homerish response. Now that he is hired, several of you will switch to Wade Can't Do Any Wrong mode and "we're going to the Super Bowl". When they put on a Star or sign a contract, they are the best thing since sliced bread. I see nothing wrong in my reasoning why we should hire a guy like Rivera over a re-tread coach. I want innovation. The Cowboys have always been leading edge. Now we are trailing the pack by far. We let Payton get away and now we have "Wade Phillips" leading the way. LOL. It's a joke....sorry if you don't agree.

And the guys like you will continue to cry and moan no matter what we do.
 

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stiletto;1365875 said:
I'm not saying Phillips is going to be a failure. It's just a bad choice in my opinion. The 3-4 has been a failure and there is no reason to believe fact wise that it will improve....

saying there is no reason to think the defense can improve makes no sense

typical doom and gloom that isnt based in reality. things can always improve and I would say Wades 3-4 system based on what has been seen in the past is better than what Parcells was trying to do this year
 

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stasheroo;1365886 said:
You need to ask why the 3-4 has been a failure!

Phillips' 3-4 sure hasn't been!

Parcells' "read and react" 3-4 was a failure.

I think Phillips' version will allow the young talent on this team to excel.

The reason the 3-4 is a failure and will continue to be a failure is because the players simply overall don't fit it. Roy Williams, CERTAINLY doesn't nor does Demarcus Ware or Greg Williams who played in a 4-3. We dont have the proper linebackers for a 3-4 either. It's a cluster-you know what and it was exposed by Sean Payton. I surely hope Wade can fix it but I do not think he's a better coach than Parcells. He is Denver and Buffalo's trash. He was pelted with veggies in his last Bronco game, now he is our HC. :lmao:
 

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the cowboys talent isnt geared towards the 3-4? what the F....
 

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stiletto;1365814 said:
I suppose you like this hire? I suppose your homeristic vision would have Phillips being crane-lifted to the shoulders of our players on Super Bowl sunday.

I wanted a young, innovative, non-retreaded coach who could be a motivator of men. Phillips has failed to do that in every stop as HC just like Norv. This is a pathetic choice. My choice wouldve been Ron Rivera for the following reasons:

He's Young, confident,etc
Had been enthusiastic about the chance to coach the Cowboys from the start
Seemed well spoken and open-minded from what I can tell
Had results to back up his candicacy (Top 5 defenses)
Learned D under Buddy Ryan, Jim Johnson, Lovie Smith
His past Players love playing for him and seem to speak highly of him
He favors letting players do what they do best instead of totally changing them around
He's played the game, come up through the coaching ranks with success
Has something to prove

Now we have another Tubby The Hutt who loves the 3-4 just like the one who exited the building. Again, be ready for 8-8.... I know the homers will support this move like he is the next coming of George Halas but not me. Sorry.

now you're just being ignorant for the sake of ensuring the overall stupidity population doesn't falter today.

I NEVER SAID I LIKED IT. i said you were "calling out" someone in a written forum where you can be tough and hide at the same time.

since general comprehension has passed you by, i'm not sure what clarifying would do. you wanna slam jerry cause it's how you get off - slam him. no sense in asking ANYONE for their input cause you'll dispute it and WAH WAH WAH around saying jones sucks cause it's all you know how to do.

i wanted rex ryan and he didn't even get interviewed. i wanted ron rivera after that and he may still be our DC. but i'm not gonna run around like a drunken fool shouting out that this move alone makes jones a coward.

homeristic vision? i can see by the post count you're new to the forum and i can see by your overall "intelligence level" you're likely new to thougth in general, but since i spent quite a bit of the last 2 years bashing parcells and our OL, i'd hardly call myself a "homer".

but you classify things cause it saves you from thinking about it OF WHICH seems to hurt you. when you're able to think w/o assuming - lemme know. till then you've won todays prize.

ZRIN - TELL HIM WHAT HE'S WON!!!!

(hint - it's an all expenses paid trip to my ignore button)
 

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zrinkill;1365913 said:
And the guys like you will continue to cry and moan no matter what we do.

hey - i cried and moaned, but it was very specific and even *i* never said parcells was always wrong - i just didn't think he was cutting it here but i have nothing but respect for parcells the man in the end.

some people need to tear down success cause they can never find it on their own.
 

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iceberg;1365926 said:
hey - i cried and moaned, but it was very specific and even *i* never said parcells was always wrong - i just didn't think he was cutting it here but i have nothing but respect for parcells the man in the end.

some people need to tear down success cause they can never find it on their own.

Thats the point ...... we all disagree on how the team is run ..... but people like this and BB and VA just want to complain and moan about the team no matter what.

Like I have said before .... they would rather be right and the team lose ... than be wrong and the team win.

its crazy.
 

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zrinkill;1365937 said:
Thats the point ...... we all disagree on how the team is run ..... but people like this and BB and VA just want to complain and moan about the team no matter what.

Like I have said before .... they would rather be right and the team lose ... than be wrong and the team win.

its crazy.

we all get passionate about our team. it's why we love 'em so much. but to do NOTHING but whine and complain regardless of what jones does is beyond me. if the team is that hopeless to you - find another one. there's quite a few more out there with owners who do just what you want them to do. sit back and be the quiet owner in the background.

if that trait is so important, then go find one of those teams and root your silly head off for them.

those like bb and va who simply refuse to even admit jjones could give someone the proper time of day?

ignorance in motion to me and reeks of personal problems, not common sense.
 

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iceberg;1365944 said:
we all get passionate about our team. it's why we love 'em so much. but to do NOTHING but whine and complain regardless of what jones does is beyond me. if the team is that hopeless to you - find another one. there's quite a few more out there with owners who do just what you want them to do. sit back and be the quiet owner in the background.

if that trait is so important, then go find one of those teams and root your silly head off for them.

those like bb and va who simply refuse to even admit jjones could give someone the proper time of day?

ignorance in motion to me and reeks of personal problems, not common sense.


Whatever..whatever... All I know is the standard for the Dallas Cowboys is not 10 years without a playoff win. We are the only team in the NFC in the decade besides the Lions who have not won a playoff game. That is a undisputable fact and I'm going to complain about this team until we are out of the doldrums. I know the proud history of this franchise and we are pushing a decade of Arizona type quality....I don't see any change in that for the future.
 

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stiletto;1365861 said:
Typical homerish response. Now that he is hired, several of you will switch to Wade Can't Do Any Wrong mode and "we're going to the Super Bowl". When they put on a Star or sign a contract, they are the best thing since sliced bread. I see nothing wrong in my reasoning why we should hire a guy like Rivera over a re-tread coach. I want innovation. The Cowboys have always been leading edge. Now we are trailing the pack by far. We let Payton get away and now we have "Wade Phillips" leading the way. LOL. It's a joke....sorry if you don't agree.

I'm the least homerish, least typical "Cowboys fan" you will find and I'm easily 100 times more reasonable and rational in my ability to analyze the Cowboys than you are. Namely because I don't have any hate for Jerry Jones. "The Cowboys have always been leading edge."...what a meaningless, dumb thing to say. What good is "leading edge"? Winning is what matters. It is ALL that matters.
 

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stiletto;1365861 said:
Typical homerish response. Now that he is hired, several of you will switch to Wade Can't Do Any Wrong mode and "we're going to the Super Bowl". When they put on a Star or sign a contract, they are the best thing since sliced bread. I see nothing wrong in my reasoning why we should hire a guy like Rivera over a re-tread coach. I want innovation. The Cowboys have always been leading edge. Now we are trailing the pack by far. We let Payton get away and now we have "Wade Phillips" leading the way. LOL. It's a joke....sorry if you don't agree.
Up until Ron Rivera actually interviewed Wade Phillips was pretty much the fan favorite. That people are supporting him still isn't a sign of homerish. I wouldn't expect you to realize this, though.

For the most part, Ron Rivera was just the "flavor of the day" that people jumped to when he interviewed. Basically the only argument for him is that he's young. Wow, that's just thrilling.
 
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