Jerry Jones fought Bill Parcells for Ware?

[Red Dragon]

This the same Jones that gave us PacMan and TO?

Say what you like about Owens, but he really was a boost to the Cowboys' offense when he was here. Unlike Roy Williams.

 

[Thomas82]

Say what you like about Owens, but he really was a boost to the Cowboys' offense when he was here. Unlike Roy Williams.

True that!!

 

[CCBoy]

how about the notable draft picks of Jerruh and Lacewell

we can start with 95 and work our way up

Lets see- what did we get from say 99 to 2001?

So I really do not think you want to go there

burma, the problem always here, is that you present a commentary without breaking down and defending your statements...put it out there, and discuss it beyond heresay evidence and a brow breat.

Like everyone has a photographic memory to verify everything you put out there, or the time to google everything that is being tossed out there.

I know, when just justify one's own comments, a few sentences is enough...but proof is another area, completely. Proof is a much more involved process that DOES require some length to acquire. And more than a brow beat to arrive at.

 

[03EBZ06]

Parcells was a good coach, but a horrible person.. try to find someone to say a nice word about him.

If Scott Norwood doesn't shank a very reachable field goal in the SB, handing the Giants the win, Parcells is just one more coach with a single ring.. He took credit for Lawrence Taylor, who was a guy that Ray Perkins drafted. Taylor was a game changer, and Parcells rode his coat tails.. I will say that getting to another superbowl with the Pats, and getting to the AFC championship game with the Jets puts him in the coaching stratosphere.

Thats fine.. no coach makes it without his players.. but...

Parcells left the Giants with almost no warning, and left only after Bellicheck left for another head coaching job.. Had he done the right thing, the Giants would have had Bellicheck as a head coach... Bill knew this and screwed the Giants.

Bill agreed to coach Tampa.. then changed his mind.... another bad guy moment.. who cares that this left Tampa in the lurch.

He then went to New England, when they had no where to go but up, and had a lot of draft picks coming their way... He then left there, and tried to go to the jets.. and when he wasnt allowed to, orchestrated some baloney where bellichek was the coach in name only... Again, no where to go but up.. the jets won like 3 or 4 games the year before him, but were a much better team than the record.

Bill's genious was going to teams that had bottomed out, so he could take credit when they marginally improved... Came to Dallas, then Miami... mission unaccomplished.

I used to work at a gas station in high school and he would come in.. a bigger jerk you couldnt find.. .more than once he was the victim of the empty oil can trick.

But you first said BP was "Tuna is the most over-rated coach in the history of the NFL".

You can say he had character flaws and difficult personality but he is far from the most over-rated coach in the history of the NFL as you've contradicted yourself with with above post.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Parcells didn't fight Jones for anything because he didn't really care.. Jones needed Parcells' name to get his new stadium, Parcells needed Jones' money because he was raked over the coals in his divorce. They both used each other.

 

[ilovejerry]

Let's see, he took the horrible Giants to multiple Super Bowls, then he took the horrible Patriots to a Super Bowl, then he took the horrible Jets to the AFC championship game, then he took the horrible Cowboys WITH QUINCY CARTER to the playoffs....

Not quite sure where you were during all that.

Im sorry but I'm sick of these Bill Tuna Parcells apologists in his own words "You are what your record is"
Parcells would finish his Dallas stint with a 34–32 record and no playoff wins

 

[Mash]

But you first said BP was "Tuna is the most over-rated coach in the history of the NFL".

You can say he had character flaws and difficult personality but he is far from the most over-rated coach in the history of the NFL as you've contradicted yourself with with above post.

Well...ok...most overrated coach in the last 2 decades

He basically stole money his last few places. He never stayed long.....put the Jets in cap hell......went to dallas and made some improvements...but left with a .500 record and no playoffs wins.....then takes off to Miami and steals their money and leaves with the team in worse shape then when he arrived.

And dont believe the hype of Miami's winning record the one year he was there......they had one of the easiest schedules ever in the NFL....the following year they crashed back to reality.

Bill looked for money......when he was here....he looked for work with the Giants during the season........He needed his retirement money for his horses.

Not a fan....he did some good things here....there is no doubt....but if there was a coach more overrated in the last 2 decades then Big Bill.....I havent seen or heard of him.

JMHO of course.

 

[ilovejerry]

Parcells didn't fight Jones for anything because he didn't really care.. Jones needed Parcells' name to get his new stadium, Parcells needed Jones' money because he was raked over the coals in his divorce. They both used each other.

DING DING winner winner chicken dinner

 

[nyc-cowboy]

burma, the problem always here, is that you present a commentary without breaking down and defending your statements...put it out there, and discuss it beyond heresay evidence and a brow breat.

Like everyone has a photographic memory to verify everything you put out there, or the time to google everything that is being tossed out there.

I know, when just justify one's own comments, a few sentences is enough...but proof is another area, completely. Proof is a much more involved process that DOES require some length to acquire. And more than a brow beat to arrive at.

This from the other thread:

Originally Posted by CCBoy
You come up with an off the wall figure and say...there!

NYC - with all due respect, how is that an "off the wall figure" - those are the drafts he had between Jimmy and Bill - IMO that is VERY relevant.

And the numbers I posted are something to look at, you just can't wash over them like it didn't happen. And thats, that I didn't include 97 where he had an additional 3-3rd rounders and 3-4th rounders.

So in total in those three years 95-97, he had a total of 18 picks in rounds 2 to 4 and basically came away with just Godfrey and Coakley....sorry but you cant just overlook that, or try to pass the blame off on some other ppl.

Nine years of drafting badly. Maybe you should clarify in context that amounts to more than and they didn't win.

Then put in context of who the head coach was.
NYC - Jerry was the GM - isn't he the guy who hired the HC?

Follow that with the coaching staff that was tasked with molding the players.
NYC - Again who was that guy who hired them?


And then put in context of rise and declining of the overall team. Nine years, huh...hey 9 sounds pretty impressive. I guess I should further deduce that it also means a total farse by Jerry, get it right?

NYC - Yes I've followed this game (and played some) for over 40 years and understand the rise and fall of dynasties. After we took 3 of 4 SBs most knew we obviously couldn't mentain that type of winning.

Injuries, age and the cap are going to happen, BUT that does not excuse the terrible drafting and coaching selection... that is directly on the man in charge - Jerry.

Like most businesses, the NFL is a bottom line business, let me ask you this, say it wasn't Jerry that was GM and it was Joe Blow...

And after that run (between Jimmy and Bill) do you think Jerry would have accepted all those excuses, the coaches, scouts ect.

Jerry would have told him point black : "sorry but if you have bad coaches and scouts that on you - its your responsibility to hire and fire those guys"

I mean geezzz even Jerry himself said he would have fired Jerry, how does one even defend that.


Don't worry, I"m going with you the next trip to Vegas...on those odds.

 

[The30YardSlant]

It shouldn't raise any eyebrows seeing as this has been posted at least several times a year (with a side of smug I might add) since 2008 when this first came out.

 

[GIFTS]

Here is my question for everyone. Did anyone here think Demarcus Ware would of turned into the talent he is?

 

[utrunner07]

So much for the crowd that screams

"Jerry isn't a football guy" "Stop making football decisions"



Yeah, because you couch potato's know so much

like a beat dog...

 

[marchetta]

So much for the crowd that screams

"Jerry isn't a football guy" "Stop making football decisions"



Yeah, because you couch potato's know so much

Yeah, and whatever happened to the, "Dallas should've taken Merriman" crowd? Funny how they all seem to have disappeared. :

 

[jimmy40]

It shouldn't raise any eyebrows seeing as this has been posted at least several times a year (with a side of smug I might add) since 2008 when this first came out.

this and the Jerry vs Jimmy debate are probably the two most repeated threads in the history of the zone.

 

[lane]

Very old news which also does not absolve Jerry of rampant incompetence.

word straight up!!

 

[Doomsay]

So, for some of the posters who think Parcells would have led the Cowboys to a Super Bowl title..........how would the Cowboys have been able to do so without one of the best pass rushers in the league?

Ah, the litmus test of understanding or not understanding what Bill meant to this team. There isn't a serious NFL insider who doesn't recognize his importance to this franchise, just a few dozen Jerry protectors who do.

 

[lane]

bill parcells set us forward and backwards at the same time..

stubborn *** old mule he was.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So, for some of the posters who think Parcells would have led the Cowboys to a Super Bowl title..........how would the Cowboys have been able to do so without one of the best pass rushers in the league?

Truth. Because we have won exactly zero SB with Ware.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Here is my question for everyone. Did anyone here think Demarcus Ware would of turned into the talent he is?

Mr. Jerry Jones did. Jerry ftw!!!!1!!

 

[Frozen700]

Yeah, and whatever happened to the, "Dallas should've taken Merriman" crowd? Funny how they all seem to have disappeared. :