Jerry Jones fought Bill Parcells for Ware?

[DFWJC]

That's right, looks like Ware was a Jerry pick and not Bill P.

That might raise some eyebrows around here.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ll-parcells-before-drafting-demarcus-ware.ece

"He had to fight Bill Parcells on taking Ware. Bill didn’t want Ware. Things like that are his final decisions.”

I think most of us know that Ware was not a Parcells pick.

I didn't know for sure that Jerry was the one fighting for him, though we knew it had to be someone.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

I think most of us know that Ware was not a Parcells pick.

I didn't know for sure that Jerry was the one fighting for him, though we knew it had to be someone.

Yeah I didn't mean to turn the forum into a Jerry vs. Bill P. but I thought it was interesting

 

[Hook'em#11]

I hate both Jones and Parcells for not selecting S. Jackson when they had the chance and then took friggin J. Jones.

 

[erod]

Im sorry but I'm sick of these Bill Tuna Parcells apologists in his own words "You are what your record is"
Parcells would finish his Dallas stint with a 34–32 record and no playoff wins

He did this with a 15-33 team that had Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter at QB. Nothing short of amazing.

 

[DFWJC]

I hate both Jones and Parcells for not selecting S. Jackson when they had the chance and then took friggin J. Jones.

That was brutal for sure.
He's still a beast all of these years later.

 

[Alexander]

Parcells didn't fight Jones for anything because he didn't really care.. Jones needed Parcells' name to get his new stadium, Parcells needed Jones' money because he was raked over the coals in his divorce. They both used each other.

Best commentary in this entire thread.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

hindsight is 20/20. go back to all the articles and evaluations done back then regarding merriman, spears and ware.

ware was from a small college, great athlete, but great concern over ability to move to OLB and his ability to play in the NFL.

Merriman was a established division 1 college player, with great upside and everyone knew he was going to be good in the NFL, which he proved his first few years.

nobody at the time knew about PEDs and Merriman.

and spears was thought to be one of the top DEs in that draft that could play 4-3 or 3-4 and parcells, slightly ahead of his time was looking for a disruptive DE in the 3-4.

back then 3-4 DEs weren't thought of as pass rushers, but ocupiers of OL men to allow LBs to flow to the ball.he also had similar idea with TEs, when we drafted what's his name from notredame to match up with Witten.

didn't quite work out, but that was his idea.

Billcheck was trying to do the same thing for years, but could never find the right TE. until couple of years ago.


so everyone can sit now and breath sigh of relief, because hindsight is 20/20.

 

[burmafrd]

hindsight is 20/20. go back to all the articles and evaluations done back then regarding merriman, spears and ware.

ware was from a small college, great athlete, but great concern over ability to move to OLB and his ability to play in the NFL.

Merriman was a established division 1 college player, with great upside and everyone knew he was going to be good in the NFL, which he proved his first few years.

nobody at the time knew about PEDs and Merriman.

and spears was thought to be one of the top DEs in that draft that could play 4-3 or 3-4 and parcells, slightly ahead of his time was looking for a disruptive DE in the 3-4.

back then 3-4 DEs weren't thought of as pass rushers, but ocupiers of OL men to allow LBs to flow to the ball.he also had similar idea with TEs, when we drafted what's his name from notredame to match up with Witten.

didn't quite work out, but that was his idea.

Billcheck was trying to do the same thing for years, but could never find the right TE. until couple of years ago.


so everyone can sit now and breath sigh of relief, because hindsight is 20/20.

Merriman was clearly considered by most of the so called experts as the better player at the time of the draft.
As it turned out it was all roids.

But at the time that was not known.

But there were some tell tails on Merriman.
BUT I question that Jerruh was the one that spotted them and thus turned to Ware.
Maybe he thought that Ware was the better player as he turned out to be.
But you look at Jerruh's record over the years for players he really liked
(Q,Hutch, Henson)
And that is not a comforting thing

 

[Brian_C82]

The Allies won the war?

Napoleon invaded Russia?

***** was crucified?

 

[GIFTS]

I hate both Jones and Parcells for not selecting S. Jackson when they had the chance and then took friggin J. Jones.

I remember those days. We really could of used S. Jackson too.

 

[jterrell]

Trade them all for Peyton...man sounds great now eh?

was eli not peyton but yes.

 

[jterrell]

He did this with a 15-33 team that had Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter at QB. Nothing short of amazing.

bp did a solid job here but let's not absolve him because of qbs. he had vinny and bledsoe in here as his hand-picked qbs. the fact they werent any good has to fall on him.

bp has always felt he could get by with a bus driver at qb.
that is why he won his last title in 1990 before i graduated high school.

bp's lack of qb focus is why we struggled until budget tony romo became a star.

jerry was wrong about qc, hutch, henson but he was certainly trying hard to find a young qb he could build around.

 

[starchamber]

Very old news which also does not absolve Jerry of rampant incompetence.

Exactly. Even a garbage can gets a steak...

 

[jjktkk]

Merriman was clearly considered by most of the so called experts as the better player at the time of the draft.
As it turned out it was all roids.

But at the time that was not known.

But there were some tell tails on Merriman.
BUT I question that Jerruh was the one that spotted them and thus turned to Ware.
Maybe he thought that Ware was the better player as he turned out to be.
But you look at Jerruh's record over the years for players he really liked
(Q,Hutch, Henson)
And that is not a comforting thing

I understand your Jerry hate, but trying to bash him for signing these QB prospects is going alittle overboard. Yea he severely reached for Carter, and yes, he kicked the tires on Hensen and Hutchinson, but trying to find a franchise QB is not an easy task.

 

[joseephuss]

I hate both Jones and Parcells for not selecting S. Jackson when they had the chance and then took friggin J. Jones.

What happens if Dallas does draft Jackson in 2004? It would mean Dallas does not get the Bills 1st round pick for the 2005 draft. Here is some speculation. With only one first round pick, Dallas makes a move and ends up not getting Ware. Or maybe Parcells intensifies his effort to get Spears at #11 and wins out.

Having Jackson would have been nice, but I don't think he would have brought Dallas any more success than they have had since 2004.

 

[jterrell]

What happens if Dallas does draft Jackson in 2004? It would mean Dallas does not get the Bills 1st round pick for the 2005 draft. Here is some speculation. With only one first round pick, Dallas makes a move and ends up not getting Ware. Or maybe Parcells intensifies his effort to get Spears at #11 and wins out.

Having Jackson would have been nice, but I don't think he would have brought Dallas any more success than they have had since 2004.

BP said we would have not had Ware had we not had 2 picks because he felt Spears was essential to being able to field his 3-4 defense.

 

[Howley54]

He did this with a 15-33 team that had Chad Hutchinson and Quincy Carter at QB. Nothing short of amazing.

But then again, Wade Phillips basically took Parcells' guys and did something that Parcells has not done since before free agency and the salary cap... he won 13 games with them. And eventually did something that no team that has been associated with Parcells in any capacity since the 90's has done... win a playoff game. But hey, I'm sure all those "Friends of Bill", like Keyshawn Johnson, Richie Anderson, Adrian Murrell, Terry Glenn, Eric Ogbogu, Jason Peterson, Vinny Testaverde, Dedric Ward, Chad Eaton, Drew Bledsoe, and Aaron Glenn, among others were extreeeeeeemly happy with the way Bill opened Jerry's wallet for them. How about that Barbie Carpenter, eh? Son of Rob, of course.

The game passed Parcells by with the advent of free agency and the salary cap close to two decades ago.