Jerry must have hired someone new in the front office

[WoodysGirl]

Yep. McClay was promoted. He has been doing good work the last few years finding players and earned a promotion.

He held ciskowski's job in Jacksonville in the early 2000's.

Parcells bypassed ciskowski and found tons of players. He left ciskowski took over as the guy and we ended up with some poor drafts and signings.

Hopefully the Garrett mcclay and whoever has the biggest say next continues. Yes I know Stephen and Jerry have the biggest say.

Can you expound on this a bit more? Ciskowski is held in high regard for his drafts, but are you saying that finding pro players is a weakness, which led to some questionable FA selections? Just curious by what you mean.

 

[Doomsay]

I think dallas scouting department is paying off they went after guys like Selvie and he is showing they were right. They have gone after team guys not a bunch of me frist guys it is paying off. Front office has not changed, you hire good people and listen to those people and things will improve on the field

If you read some of the preceding posts, it would appear that there have been some changes in the front office, personnel-wise. It's also clear that some highly qualified coaches (in this instance, on the defensive side) are exerting a lot of influence in the pro selection process. I think that the demonstrated player acquisition competence of this new group goes a little beyond RKG criteria.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you read some of the preceding posts, it would appear that there have been some changes in the front office, personnel-wise. It's also clear that some highly qualified coaches (in this instance, on the defensive side) are exerting a lot of influence in the pro selection process. I think that the demonstrated player acquisition competence of this new group goes a little beyond RKG criteria.

I think they are looking at quality charcter guys and I say that based on the players who are being brought in. Getting players is never a one man job there are a lot of people involved but there are still things the HC can require in a player. We are not picking up head case trash.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If you read some of the preceding posts, it would appear that there have been some changes in the front office, personnel-wise. It's also clear that some highly qualified coaches (in this instance, on the defensive side) are exerting a lot of influence in the pro selection process. I think that the demonstrated player acquisition competence of this new group goes a little beyond RKG criteria.

I think that's the real story. Where have all these finds been? On defense. Where do we have two new near-legendary coaches? On defense.

As the AT&T ad says... It's not complicated.

 

[theebs]

Can you expound on this a bit more? Ciskowski is held in high regard for his drafts, but are you saying that finding pro players is a weakness, which led to some questionable FA selections? Just curious by what you mean.

It's always been my opinion that parcells passed on promoting ciskowski for a reason. I think that means something. I am not sure he is a top guy, gm type guy. Seems like more of an organizer and scout than a guy who can handle gm duties successfully.

 

[WoodysGirl]

It's always been my opinion that parcells passed on promoting ciskowski for a reason. I think that means something. I am not sure he is a top guy, gm type guy. Seems like more of an organizer and scout than a guy who can handle gm duties successfully.

Ok, gotcha.. And I guess it seems the Cowboys agree to a certain extent, which is why they divided up his responsibilities somewhat.

 

[tico]

Tom Ciskowski is no longer pulling pro scout duty and is able to focus more on prospects coming out of college. Will McClay has taken over the pro-scouting duties as assistant director of player personnel. All of this actually happened before the draft.

I think this explains the reason why we've had such a successful draft this year (or it appears so far) and why our pro-scouting department has been able to be so aggressive.


WoodysGirl actually posted a thread a while back that seemed to go largely unnoticed regarding this, but for some reason it will not let me link it here.

great read, ''hip, hip, McClay''..

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Ok, gotcha.. And I guess it seems the Cowboys agree to a certain extent, which is why they divided up his responsibilities somewhat.

Or that could be because we already have a GM...

IIRC the Colts interviewed Ciskowski for their GM position last year, so I guess they thought he could do it.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Or that could be because we already have a GM...

IIRC the Colts interviewed Ciskowski for their GM position last year, so I guess they thought he could do it.

Yes, the Cowboys have a GM.

I'm going with the duties of Ciskowski as described in multiple reports and not just by title, which is a totally different discussion that I won't bother engaging in.

So based on the article I posted some time ago... Ciskowski will now primarily focus on college scouting and McClay will focus on pro player acquisition, which seems to play to their strengths. And it shores up the personnel department just in case, Ciskowski leaves for another front office position.

 

[boysfanindc]

It's a process and I don't mean that sarcastically.

 

[khiladi]

They have had a good pro scouting department for years.

That explains the impressive OL for all these years..

 

[khiladi]

If things stay on the same pace as they look so far this season, I think it's just safe to say that Garrett is a far better head coach than Gailey, Campo and Wade. And given *this* situation, he's better than Parcells (younger, more into being here for the long haul, more up-to-date with NFL schemes, etc).

So Wade was drafting the offensive players for Garrett?

 

[khiladi]

It has to do with scheme and Marinelli, long held as the best D-Line coach, by far, in all of football. However, it's funny that when Kiffin was hired it was panned by so many as a 'Jerry forced Garrett to do it.'

I think it was Garrett's idea and it's just a case of a good coach being able to spot a player and coach him to where he's a very productive member of the team. It's amazing what good coaching can do.

YR

Does that explain why Jerry over-ruled Garrett and Tom on Floyd, by going to Marinelli and Kiffin and Kiffin saying he doesn't fit and drafting Frederick?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

So Wade was drafting the offensive players for Garrett?

I think he had more of a say in it than Garrett did. I'm sure he allowed some of the players that Garrett liked (Phillips). I think Garrett really didn't want Felix, Jerry was super high on him from his Arkansas connections and Wade obliged. I don't think Bennett was a Garrett type of player. I think the scouting staff was high on Bennett and Wade liked him. Although I don't think Dez was a Garrett type of player either, but was much like Felix (Jerry liked him and Wade obliged).




YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Does that explain why Jerry over-ruled Garrett and Tom on Floyd, by going to Marinelli and Kiffin and Kiffin saying he doesn't fit and drafting Frederick?

I don't think anybody over-ruled Garrett. I don't think Garrett wanted Floyd. I think Garrett completely trusts what Kiffin and Marinelli had to say.

I think all that stuff with not drafting Floyd and the 'controversy' it caused was simply some scout that is below Ciskowski cried to the press that we didn't draft Floyd even though they had him high on the chart. I think from the very get go, unless somebody they really wanted like Cooper, Fluker, Eiffert, etc. were there...the team had every intent to trade down to acquire another pick. I think they were a little surprised by how many O-Linemen were taken after they traded down and decided to take Frederick as they figured he was going to be gone and they desperately needed a new center.

I'm certainly not complaining about the decision to pass on Floyd, trade down, and pick up Frederick and a 3rd round pick in the process.





YR

 

[khiladi]

I think he had more of a say in it than Garrett did. I'm sure he allowed some of the players that Garrett liked (Phillips). I think Garrett really didn't want Felix, Jerry was super high on him from his Arkansas connections and Wade obliged. I don't think Bennett was a Garrett type of player. I think the scouting staff was high on Bennett and Wade liked him. Although I don't think Dez was a Garrett type of player either, but was much like Felix (Jerry liked him and Wade obliged).

YR

But all the reports say the exact opposite. Wade wanted Chris Johnson, not Felix. Wade never believed in drafting a WR first round, let alone leveraging 3 picks including a first rounder for Roy Wlliams. He also wanted Solari, not Houck. Plus, Wade was never even involved in the offense and coaching. Wade was talking about how the lack of running game was impacting the defense and this was being reported in the media before he was fired.

And here, Jerry was giving Jason total control of the offense to Garrett yet, allowing Wade to pick the players suited to is personnel? And now JG has been demoted as playcaller... I hardly doubt it.

 

[khiladi]

I don't think anybody over-ruled Garrett. I don't think Garrett wanted Floyd. I think Garrett completely trusts what Kiffin and Marinelli had to say.

I think all that stuff with not drafting Floyd and the 'controversy' it caused was simply some scout that is below Ciskowski cried to the press that we didn't draft Floyd even though they had him high on the chart. I think from the very get go, unless somebody they really wanted like Cooper, Fluker, Eiffert, etc. were there...the team had every intent to trade down to acquire another pick. I think they were a little surprised by how many O-Linemen were taken after they traded down and decided to take Frederick as they figured he was going to be gone and they desperately needed a new center.

I'm certainly not complaining about the decision to pass on Floyd, trade down, and pick up Frederick and a 3rd round pick in the process.

YR

A lot of it was reaction of Jason and Tom in the press when over-ruled, not just a 'scout below' Tom...

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

A lot of defensive moves, out of necessity ofcourse. I have to believe Kiffin and Marinelli knew where to look for these players through their extensive contacts. Made it pretty easy for Jerry.

I don't disagree with you that those two guys have input but I always think it unfair that if a move works out for Jerry, it was the coaches who got the player but if it fails, it is all on Jerry. Seems unfair to me.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

But all the reports say the exact opposite. Wade wanted Chris Johnson, not Felix. Wade never believed in drafting a WR first round, let alone leveraging 3 picks including a first rounder for Roy Wlliams. He also wanted Solari, not Houck. Plus, Wade was never even involved in the offense and coaching. Wade was talking about how the lack of running game was impacting the defense and this was being reported in the media before he was fired.

And here, Jerry was giving Jason total control of the offense to Garrett yet, allowing Wade to pick the players suited to is personnel? And now JG has been demoted as playcaller... I hardly doubt it.

Exactly. Pretty much every piece of evidence contradicts what he posted.

I guess that Hard Knocks episode where Garrett was arguing for Felix was photoshopped. In fact, I bet Wade did it.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

A lot of it was reaction of Jason and Tom in the press when over-ruled, not just a 'scout below' Tom...

There have been people here that watched the same live feed that said that the 'reaction' was nonsense and it never happened.

I wouldn't be shocked if Ciskowski didn't like it, but I don't see Garrett going against Kiffin and Marinelli. I just feel that it was a scout below Ciskowski given how the media portrayed it afterward (a 'source' dismayed by the Cowboys going against the board) and at the risk of sounding cryptic, some other things I was told made me feel that as well.

Again, I'm not complaining. I'll take what I see out of Frederick and Williams over Floyd right now.





YR