Jerry must have hired someone new in the front office

[Yakuza Rich]

Hos took the words out of my mouth.

My point in my post is that *if* I am wrong and Garrett was 'stripped of power' or whatever you want to call it...did we really pay for the decision to pass on Floyd and get Frederick and a 3rd rounder?

This is the quintessential 'fans of hating Jerry' instead of being a fan of the team argument that I find here. Even if the decision is the right one and works out in the end, we still have many people here that are looking for any reason to hate Jerry.

I know this may sound crazy, but Jerry is not always wrong.

But in the end, I believe that this team was intent on trading down anyway. I think they were very interested in looking at a center before the draft and were only considering guys like Warmack, Fluker and Cooper because of how they graded them. They weren't there and they traded down because that was the primary objective from the get-go. And Floyd was projected as a 3-4 DE.

Regardless of what went down, the main thing is whether or not it was the right move.




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[Hostile]

As always lots of people involved in the Cowboys. Even at the begining of this franchise Tex, Tom and Gil all worked together to build this franchise and as well as others working within the franchise.

He's never going to get it.

 

[Hostile]

Regardless of what went down, the main thing is whether or not it was the right move.




YR

Amen!

 

[theebs]

Does everyone realize how mad the fans would be and what a mistake taking Floyd would have been?

The media led that storyline and the fans bought it hook line and sinker. They needed to make big story out of something and that was it. It was a good draft and an even better one for not taking Floyd.

I am sure they are enjoying his one solo tackle up there so far.

 

[Hostile]

Does everyone realize how mad the fans would be and what a mistake taking Floyd would have been?

The media led that storyline and the fans bought it hook line and sinker. They needed to make big story out of something and that was it. It was a good draft and an even better one for not taking Floyd.

I am sure they are enjoying his one solo tackle up there so far.

No, they do not realize it because it upsets the apple cart.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

as always, that is the problem
how many CEOs does microsoft have? how many captains on a ship?

in the end, ONE person is responsible and that one person should also be accountable

that is not the case here

You don't think Bill Gates makes every decision at Microsoft, do you?

Having worked very closely with C-Level executives for different corporations for that past 12 years, there are a lot of people involved with every decision making process. In fact, I would say that the primary duties of CEO are really about reporting to the shareholders and 'selling' the company and its value.

I can think of the last 3 years of marketing campaigns the company I work for and not once has the CEO been involved, one iota.

Why?

Because that's not his job.





YR

 

[theebs]

No, they do not realize it because it upsets the apple cart.

Every local radio station took turns going crazy over this and the fans followed along.

That's where all the drama comes from with this team.

The espn radio and espn Dallas people always have to have a controversy or some drama, mostly because they are almost all from out of town and that was their belief before they got here.

That excludes Todd archer, he never buys into or spends time on any of that crap.

 

[Doomsday101]

He's never going to get it.

I think many will never get the fact that there are a lot of people involved in the process. Yes Jerry has final say but that final say is based on input from those he has hired within the ogranization. He hired Ireland and Parcells, BP wanted to get Spears with the early pick Ireland wanted Ware and after discussion the determination was Cowboys would take Ware and we still got Spears. It was evidently done in a professional manner that Parcells did not raise hell over it as he did when the Pats drated Glenn when BP was not in favor of that selection.

As for Garrett I think if Jerry did not want him here he would be gone this notion that well Garrett has a contract? Please TO had a bigger contract and jerry cut his butt loose. Firing Garrett would have no effect on a cap like TO getting released did so. I think Garrett input is important and I think the type of players we get are well within what Jason wants

 

[visionary]

Regardless of what went down, the main thing is whether or not it was the right move.

not sure if this is just another attempt at excuse making or you are truly this naive

in any large company (like the cowboys) every important decision (like who to draft with your first round pick)is made by going through a process
pointing to one decision that happened to turn out well (and we dont know that yet because it is too early) is not the way to determine whether or not the right thing was done

the important thing is for the process to work properly because if it does, many more correct decisions will be made than incorrect ones

if jerry over-ruled jason and ciskowski and that IS NOT the way it is supposed to be, the process failed

if jerry over-ruled jason and ciskowski and that IS the way it is supposed to be, you just shot Hostile's theory out of the water

saying, "regardless of what went down, ...." is absolutely crazy
that is just about luck
that is not the way important decisions should be made in any business

 

[khiladi]

The problem is, people simply want to re-write history. They blamed TO, they blamed Roy Williams (which was rightfully so, but he was here because of Jason Garrett), they blamed Wade Phillips, they blamed each and everybody but JG. The latest blame was shifted on Rob Ryan, followed now by Tony Romo. Dez last year couldn't run routes properly until suddenly the last half of the season, but they ignore the fact tht Dez's monster year happened in the second half of games, when the game plan was essentially scrapped.

Jason Garrett did not demote himself from play-calling nor did he get rid of his own brother. Yet, the spin now is he never said he wanted to call plays. They use to tell us on and on about how everything was somebody else's fault as far as JG's master plan was concerned. Now, it's "you see guys, the 6 year plan is coming to fruition' with Dallas drating RKG like Sean Lee, even though he was drafted by Wade. I'm sure Wade wanted Jacques Reeves an Athony Henry and aging MLBs as well, along with Dave Campo to cach his secondary....

 

[Doomsday101]

The problem is, people simply want to re-write history. They blamed TO, they blamed Roy Williams (which was rightfully so, but he was here because of Jason Garrett), they blamed Wade Phillips, they blamed each and everybody but JG. The latest blame was shifted on Rob Ryan, followed now by Tony Romo. Dez last year couldn't run routes properly until suddenly the last half of the season, but they ignore the fact tht Dez's monster year happened in the second half of games, when the game plan was essentially scrapped.

Jason Garrett did not demote himself from play-calling nor did he get rid of his own brother. Yet, the spin now is he never said he wanted to call plays. They use to tell us on and on about how everything was somebody else's fault as far as JG's master plan was concerned. Now, it's "you see guys, the 6 year plan is coming to fruition' with Dallas drating RKG like Sean Lee, even though he was drafted by Wade. I'm sure Wade wanted Jacques Reeves an Athony Henry and aging MLBs as well, along with Dave Campo to cach his secondary....

As far as I'm concerned fault for failure falls on everyones shoulders not 1 man. At the end of the day Jerry will have to shoulder most of it since he is the owner GM but past failure are on Garrett they are on Wade they are on assistant coaches and they are on players. As for the demotion, Jerry is the one who wanted the HC calling the plays but I also think they came to the realization that having too many hats for the HC was not benifetting the team or Garrett. Garrett is still very much involved in the game planning and over the course of the game it is still his call on controlling the tempo of the game or going for it on 4th down instead of punting or taking the FG. If this offense and this team fails it will still fall on Garrett as the HC.

Funny how last week so many here blamed Garrett offense even when he is not calling every play yet the following week it was Callahans offense. I suspect that is how the year will go any bad outing in on Garrett any good outing will be Callahan. Same goes for getting players, players who bust are Jerry picks and those who make it was someone else.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry Jones forced Wade's hand to take over the defense from Brian Stewart, because he wasn't performing. BS was fired the very next year.

The same is the case with JG. The only difference is Jerry's loyalty to those close to him, especially the Garrett family and his incessant need to prove himself without Jimmy Johnson. If it weren't a Garrett and this context, than JG would have been canned long ago, just like Stewart.

 

[visionary]

Obviously I do not believe the reports about how much they wanted Shariff Floyd and got overridden. I have my reasons, not the least of which is that neither man has come out and ratified that theory. Not hard to figure out.

Oh, and I absolutely, 100% DO have agendas. We all do. I am not afraid to admit that. Never have been. Never will be. Not ashamed of mine. I am unabashedly, 100% Pro Dallas Cowboys and I will never duck my head to the likes of you for it.

your agenda is not the cowboys, that is the 'agenda' of all of us on this board
your agenda is jason garrett

the ONLY reason i want garrett to succeed is because that is the shortest path to success for the cowboys
my wagon is hitched to the cowboys
the reason you want garrett to succeed is because your wagon is hitched to him

big difference

 

[Crown Royal]

as always, that is the problem
how many CEOs does microsoft have? how many captains on a ship?

in the end, ONE person is responsible and that one person should also be accountable

that is not the case here

If you feel that is how a CEO and his/her team operates, then you are somewhat mis-informed.

 

[khiladi]

Funny how last week so many here blamed Garrett offense even when he is not calling every play yet the following week it was Callahans offense. I suspect that is how the year will go any bad outing in on Garrett any good outing will be Callahan. Same goes for getting players, players who bust are Jerry picks and those who make it was someone else.

It's a known fact that JG does not call plays anymore, meaning he already failed. That is proven. He had 6 years to run the ball and adapt, attack the seams and run play-acion, yet he chose not to whatever the reason.

So if Callahan does a better job of calling plays with JGs own offense than Garrett himself, than it simply proves that JG is utterly useless as a play caller, the very claim to his fame. We are in game 3 of the season and if it continues, it simply shows it took BC and Romo 3 games to adjust which JG couldn't do in 6 years.

But I'll whole reservation because the crappy SF 49ers offense just put up 35 against the Rams as well. My optimism was only in the fact the TDs were scored by the offense down the seams to Escobar and Harris.

 

[Crown Royal]

Hos took the words out of my mouth.

My point in my post is that *if* I am wrong and Garrett was 'stripped of power' or whatever you want to call it...did we really pay for the decision to pass on Floyd and get Frederick and a 3rd rounder?

This is the quintessential 'fans of hating Jerry' instead of being a fan of the team argument that I find here. Even if the decision is the right one and works out in the end, we still have many people here that are looking for any reason to hate Jerry.

I know this may sound crazy, but Jerry is not always wrong.

But in the end, I believe that this team was intent on trading down anyway. I think they were very interested in looking at a center before the draft and were only considering guys like Warmack, Fluker and Cooper because of how they graded them. They weren't there and they traded down because that was the primary objective from the get-go. And Floyd was projected as a 3-4 DE.

Regardless of what went down, the main thing is whether or not it was the right move.
YR

Being concerned that Jerry stripped Garrett of power to draft Frederick is the same as being concerned that Jerry stripped power from Parcells to draft Ware. They both win, as do the Cowboys. I doubt Parcells lost too much sleep over that.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's a known fact that JG does not call plays anymore, meaning he already failed. That is proven. He had 6 years to run the ball and adapt, attack the seams and run play-acion, yet he chose not to whatever the reason.

So if Callahan does a better job of calling plays with JGs own offense than Garrett himself, than it simply proves that JG is utterly useless as a play caller, the very claim to his fame. We are in game 3 of the season and if it continues, it simply shows it took BC and Romo 3 games to adjust which JG couldn't do in 6 years.

But I'll whole reservation because the crappy SF 49ers offense just put up 35 against the Rams as well. My optimism was only in the fact the TDs were scored by the offense down the seams to Escobar and Harris.

He did not choose not to be able to run the ball or do alot of things, we have had issues with OL and that has played a big part in what we did as an offense. Running for the hell of it does not win jack, we ran last week because we could we had holes to run through. Jerry did want Garrett to give up play calling and focus more on the team and said as much but then people come in and put their spin on it not what the people involved are saying because it does not fit their own agenda. I don't know all that takes place behind the doors at Valley Ranch nor do you or the writers. So people will choose to believe as they will however it is fact that Jason Garrett is still the HC of the Dallas Cowboys and HC is not a demotion and if Jones wanted him gone he would be gone.

And again after the KC game it was Garrett offense and the same clowns came here to let everyone know and now after the Rams game it was Callahan? You can’t have it both ways same with personnel to claim this guys busted so that is Jerry pick but this one did good so that goes to someone else, that is beyond lame.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

not sure if this is just another attempt at excuse making or you are truly this naive

in any large company (like the cowboys) every important decision (like who to draft with your first round pick)is made by going through a process
pointing to one decision that happened to turn out well (and we dont know that yet because it is too early) is not the way to determine whether or not the right thing was done

the important thing is for the process to work properly because if it does, many more correct decisions will be made than incorrect ones

if jerry over-ruled jason and ciskowski and that IS NOT the way it is supposed to be, the process failed

if jerry over-ruled jason and ciskowski and that IS the way it is supposed to be, you just shot Hostile's theory out of the water

saying, "regardless of what went down, ...." is absolutely crazy
that is just about luck
that is not the way important decisions should be made in any business

This is the typical way the 'fans of hating Jerry' load their arguments so in the end, they can blame Jerry. Even if it is the right move and it works, they can still find that way to rip Jerry.

If Jerry makes the decision, then he's this overbearing micro managing CEO. If he allows others to be involved in the decision making process, then it's 'what type of organization has multiple CEO's and one person should be responsible for the decision making.'

I just have a hard time believing that it is really different at other organizations. I have a hard time believing that Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis would not rely on the input of their defensive coaches given that their defensive coaches know more about defense and defensive players than they do.

I have a hard time believing that Andy Reid didn't feel the same way when he had Jim Johnson as his D-Coordinator in Philadelphia.

And I have a hard time believing that Garrett wanted Floyd, a prototype 3-4 DE, to play in a Tampa 2 style of scheme and would be willing to take his opinion over Kiffin and Marinelli.







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[ElGatoGrande]

We should consider waiting a few more weeks before passing out the blame and congratulations, so far we've beaten two horrible teams and lost to freakin Kansas City. So far we are looking very "middle of the pack", though I do think there is potential to greatly improve as the season progresses.

 

[Crown Royal]

Jerry makes plenty of mistakes. I still think there are some cultural aspects that he allows in the organization that have led to some very poor seasons. I think Garrett is working hard to overcome those, and is doing it in a way that Jerry is comfortable with. That said, I do feel Jerry has done a good job lately, not withstanding I think he has lost the ability to manipulate the media.