Jerry must have hired someone new in the front office

[Hostile]

His name is Jason Garrett. Everything changed for the better when he was hired as the Head Coach and they will continue to improve, just like they did with Jimmy Johnson. No, that is not a comparison.

It's a process.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

But all the reports say the exact opposite. Wade wanted Chris Johnson, not Felix. Wade never believed in drafting a WR first round, let alone leveraging 3 picks including a first rounder for Roy Wlliams. He also wanted Solari, not Houck. Plus, Wade was never even involved in the offense and coaching. Wade was talking about how the lack of running game was impacting the defense and this was being reported in the media before he was fired.

And here, Jerry was giving Jason total control of the offense to Garrett yet, allowing Wade to pick the players suited to is personnel? And now JG has been demoted as playcaller... I hardly doubt it.

Johnson had a shoulder issue that the organization was worried about. And this organization doesn't like RB's with shoulder injuries. That's why we passed on Steven Jackson. I don't think Wade really cared if we took Solari or Houck. For Houck's failure in Dallas, he was considered a world class O-Line coach beforehand. Tough to argue with the thought of taking a world class O-Line coach who coaches the scheme and had worked with your new O-Coordinator before. Saying Wade was never involved in the offense is just factually inaccurate. In fact, he discussed several times about the process of him and Garrett getting together before games throughout the week and coming up with a gameplan.

Lastly, you took my words out of context. I believe it's very much a group think when it comes to players, just like it is just about everywhere else. The scouts have their input, the Coordinator and position coaches have their input and the Head Coach has his input. I think it's pretty obvious that Wade favored athleticism and dynamic skill sets over technique and smarts. I think Garrett is looking more for a 'good character' players first and foremost.

We've seen a massive shift in this regard since Garrett was the head coach. Do you really think that Garrett would draft a Martellus Bennett in the 2nd round? By the same token, I doubt we would have drafted Dez in the first round if Garrett was head coach.

I don't find it ironic that Jerry was friends with the late Al Davis. While people will scoff at this, at one time the Raiders and Davis were considered the team that was ahead of the curve when it came to football and scouting. I remember John Madden stating that he never had one problem getting anything he wanted from Al Davis. He just knew that if he wanted something or a player or a coach, etc....he had to come in there selling Al on the idea. I think Jerry is very much the same way. Sometimes the scouts win, sometimes the coordinators and position coaches win, sometimes the head coach wins. But, I have yet to see any real evidence that Jerry doesn't give a HC what they want if they are willing to ask for it. And according to Parcells, he agrees with this assessment.








YR

 

[khiladi]

I'm not arguing that your complaining, I'm just contesting the fact that we can derive this is all part of JGs master plan, when his master plan has shown, for the last 6 years, abject failure on all levels of the game. JG had total control of the offense, and only now demoted, yet we are suppose to believe that it's entirely Wade's fault for all the horrendous draft picks on the OL side of the ball... Why did they go with Houck, who clearly wasn't a zone-blocking scheme coach and Wade wanted Solari, who was a zone blocking guy and now Dallas has gotten a zon-blocking guy in Callahan after Houck retired?

I agree, Jerry normally lets his coaches do their thing, and he did the same with Garrett. So he gave JG primarily total control of the offense and JJ normally only forces the hand when he has too. He did it with making Wade pay total attention to the defense and this season becnhd JG from pla-calling.

This re-writing of history is just absurd. JG got demoted... There is him on tape wanting Felix as CL pointed out above. Floyd was number one on the board, yet he was a 3-4 guy and JG has clearly stated his philosophy is to take the best player available, not need.

“By nature, if you draft too much for need your team probably by definition gets worse,” Coach Garrett told Cowboys faithful.

"In a perfect world, what you want to try to do is go into the draft without needs," coach Jason Garrett said. "I think you tend to draft worse when you say, 'I think we need to draft this position or that position.' And regardless of how objective you want to make that process, you invariably say, 'OK, we have a need here, so maybe we bump a player up ahead of this guy when they're really probably pretty similar."
"In an ideal situation you want to address your needs prior to the draft. Hard to do that, but you're trying to do that so you can draft as purely as possible. We couldn't do that last year."

This was in March, prior to the draft, clearly stating that they addressed their needs and going with the BPA... So the bestplayer available for Floyd and Garrett argued that they were in a position that didn't have to draft for need. That's Garrett for you...

 

[nicomachus]

I don't think anybody over-ruled Garrett. I don't think Garrett wanted Floyd. I think Garrett completely trusts what Kiffin and Marinelli had to say.

According to Mike Fisher and Bob Sturm, two of the most reliable local media members, Garrett (and Ciskowski) wanted to draft Floyd 18th overall. I can provide quotes from their work if you're interested.

 

[Doomsay]

According to Mike Fisher and Bob Sturm, two of the most reliable local media members, Garrett (and Ciskowski) wanted to draft Floyd 18th overall. I can provide quotes from their work if you're interested.

That would be cool, you should, but unfortunately, I'm sure there will be a summary execution of the sources.

 

[ShiningStar]

oh god wait til a loss rears its ugly head

 

[Doomsay]

His name is Jason Garrett. Everything changed for the better when he was hired as the Head Coach and they will continue to improve, just like they did with Jimmy Johnson. No, that is not a comparison.

It's a process.

And thank goodness Ciskowski is still running the show, right?

 

[ThreeandOut]

His name is Jason Garrett. Everything changed for the better when he was hired as the Head Coach and they will continue to improve, just like they did with Jimmy Johnson. No, that is not a comparison.

It's a process.

It's funny how Jones is a better GM with some head coaches than with others.

 

[Hostile]

And thank goodness Ciskowski is still running the show, right?

You still don't get it do you?

Jason Garrett is running the show. It is always about the Head Coach, for every football team, not just the Cowboys. The job Ciskowski does is predicated upon the marching orders he gets from the Head Coach, whomever he is, and what he wants for the team. You surely don't think it was an accident that while under Bill Parcells we acquired so many of his former players? Please tell me that your judgment is not so clouded by the Internet cool cynic clique that you're a part of that you can't look at this team's recent seasons and see a difference from each of the last 4 Head Coaches in drafting, free agency, intensity, focus, etc.

It's as obvious as can be that there is a change in direction and that the team is not looking for a quick fix, short burst ride to the top only to plummet again. They are looking to build into a consistent program that contends year in and year out. Look no further than the Head Coach. Not the GM. Not the Director of Player Personnel. Not the Trainers.

We got better when Campo left and Parcells took over. They had the same guy running the Scouting Department in Jeff Ireland. We got worse when Jimmy left and Barry came in. They had the same guy running those scouting departments. We're improving under Garrett over the time with Wade. They have the same guy running the scouting department.

It is always, always, always about the Head Coach and his vision. He has to make people buy in. Thankfully our players have. Now we have to get healthy and stay healthy and continue to stack good days upon good days. It's a process.

No charge for the lesson.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Kiffin and Marinelli make all the difference in this team .... despite Jerrah and Jason.

 

[iRepDatStar]

Is this a troll thread?.. or being sarcastic.. or just really dont want to give credit where its due

 

[Manster68]

Back to the OP, I too like the churning of the bottom of the roster. Dallas now has to let these young pups make some plays!

They HAVE to make plays!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

According to Mike Fisher and Bob Sturm, two of the most reliable local media members, Garrett (and Ciskowski) wanted to draft Floyd 18th overall. I can provide quotes from their work if you're interested.

Sure, go ahead.

Obviously, people have their opinion on what happened. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

However, the end result is that we traded down and took Frederick and got an extra 3rd rounder.

So let's say that Garrett and Ciskowski did want to draft Floyd, were they right?

Are we really upset about the deal? Frederick is an immediate starter, Williams looks like a potential starter.

You could also view it as that if we didn't have that extra 3rd round pick, maybe we don't get Wilcox as well. Maybe we just take Williams instead.

I like Ciskowski, but if I'm Jerry or any GM...I'm taking Kiffin and Marinelli's advice on a D-Lineman over Ciskowski (and Garrett) any day.

Now, if Garrett didn't like the character, work ethic of a draft picks and we still went over his head, then I would have more of an issue. But I don't see that as an issue with Frederick, Escobar, Wilcox, Williams, etc.

As Parcells once famously said, I'm not interested in being fair, I'm interested in being right. So I couldn't care less if the Head Coach is overruled on a personnel decision as long as the decision is the right one. And I think that so far we've made the right decision, in spades.





YR

 

[Hostile]

Sure, go ahead.

Obviously, people have their opinion on what happened. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

However, the end result is that we traded down and took Frederick and got an extra 3rd rounder.

So let's say that Garrett and Ciskowski did want to draft Floyd, were they right?

Are we really upset about the deal? Frederick is an immediate starter, Williams looks like a potential starter.

You could also view it as that if we didn't have that extra 3rd round pick, maybe we don't get Wilcox as well. Maybe we just take Williams instead.

I like Ciskowski, but if I'm Jerry or any GM...I'm taking Kiffin and Marinelli's advice on a D-Lineman over Ciskowski (and Garrett) any day.

Now, if Garrett didn't like the character, work ethic of a draft picks and we still went over his head, then I would have more of an issue. But I don't see that as an issue with Frederick, Escobar, Wilcox, Williams, etc.

As Parcells once famously said, I'm not interested in being fair, I'm interested in being right. So I couldn't care less if the Head Coach is overruled on a personnel decision as long as the decision is the right one. And I think that so far we've made the right decision, in spades.





YR

Yeah, but you see the bigger picture. Some can't. Agendas cause tunnel vision. Great post.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Sure, go ahead.

Obviously, people have their opinion on what happened. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

However, the end result is that we traded down and took Frederick and got an extra 3rd rounder.

So let's say that Garrett and Ciskowski did want to draft Floyd, were they right?

Are we really upset about the deal? Frederick is an immediate starter, Williams looks like a potential starter.

You could also view it as that if we didn't have that extra 3rd round pick, maybe we don't get Wilcox as well. Maybe we just take Williams instead.

I like Ciskowski, but if I'm Jerry or any GM...I'm taking Kiffin and Marinelli's advice on a D-Lineman over Ciskowski (and Garrett) any day.

Now, if Garrett didn't like the character, work ethic of a draft picks and we still went over his head, then I would have more of an issue. But I don't see that as an issue with Frederick, Escobar, Wilcox, Williams, etc.

As Parcells once famously said, I'm not interested in being fair, I'm interested in being right. So I couldn't care less if the Head Coach is overruled on a personnel decision as long as the decision is the right one. And I think that so far we've made the right decision, in spades.





YR

Voice of reason.

 

[visionary]

Hostile

"You still don't get it do you?
Jason Garrett is running the show. "

Yakuza Rich

"So let's say that Garrett and Ciskowski did want to draft Floyd, were they right?
Are we really upset about the deal?
I like Ciskowski, but if I'm Jerry or any GM...I'm taking Kiffin and Marinelli's advice on a D-Lineman over Ciskowski (and Garrett) any day."

Hostile in response to this post

"Yeah, but you see the bigger picture. Some can't. Agendas cause tunnel vision. Great post."

I am completely confused now
Is Garrett "running the show" or not?

this stuff is pure poetry

I dont need to point out who has the "agenda" here
Everyone can see for that themselves

 

[Hostile]

Hostile

"You still don't get it do you?
Jason Garrett is running the show. "

Yakuza Rich

"So let's say that Garrett and Ciskowski did want to draft Floyd, were they right?
Are we really upset about the deal?
I like Ciskowski, but if I'm Jerry or any GM...I'm taking Kiffin and Marinelli's advice on a D-Lineman over Ciskowski (and Garrett) any day."

Hostile in response to this post

"Yeah, but you see the bigger picture. Some can't. Agendas cause tunnel vision. Great post."

I am completely confused now
Is Garrett "running the show" or not?

this stuff is pure poetry

I dont need to point out who has the "agenda" here
Everyone can see for that themselves

Obviously I do not believe the reports about how much they wanted Shariff Floyd and got overridden. I have my reasons, not the least of which is that neither man has come out and ratified that theory. Not hard to figure out.

Oh, and I absolutely, 100% DO have agendas. We all do. I am not afraid to admit that. Never have been. Never will be. Not ashamed of mine. I am unabashedly, 100% Pro Dallas Cowboys and I will never duck my head to the likes of you for it.

 

[visionary]

Obviously I do not believe the reports about how much they wanted Shariff Floyd and got overridden. Not hard to figure out.

but you quoted that very post and said "you see the bigger picture" and "great post"

you will excuse me if i thought you were agreeing with his assessment

 

[Doomsday101]

Hostile

"You still don't get it do you?
Jason Garrett is running the show. "

Yakuza Rich

"So let's say that Garrett and Ciskowski did want to draft Floyd, were they right?
Are we really upset about the deal?
I like Ciskowski, but if I'm Jerry or any GM...I'm taking Kiffin and Marinelli's advice on a D-Lineman over Ciskowski (and Garrett) any day."

Hostile in response to this post

"Yeah, but you see the bigger picture. Some can't. Agendas cause tunnel vision. Great post."

I am completely confused now
Is Garrett "running the show" or not?

this stuff is pure poetry

I dont need to point out who has the "agenda" here
Everyone can see for that themselves

As always lots of people involved in the Cowboys. Even at the begining of this franchise Tex, Tom and Gil all worked together to build this franchise and as well as others working within the franchise.

 

[visionary]

As always lots of people involved in the Cowboys. Even at the begining of this franchise Tex, Tom and Gil all worked together to build this franchise and as well as others working within the franchise.

as always, that is the problem
how many CEOs does microsoft have? how many captains on a ship?

in the end, ONE person is responsible and that one person should also be accountable

that is not the case here