Jerry must have hired someone new in the front office

[Hostile]

your agenda is not the cowboys, that is the 'agenda' of all of us on this board
your agenda is jason garrett

the ONLY reason i want garrett to succeed is because that is the shortest path to success for the cowboys
my wagon is hitched to the cowboys
the reason you want garrett to succeed is because your wagon is hitched to him

big difference

Wrong as usual.

 

[Crown Royal]

If I remember correctly, there were two reasons people disliked the draft trade:

1) They really felt that Floyd was an excellent player at that spot and would have made a major difference to this team over the long haul. There is nothing flawed in that concept; Floyd DOES look like a nice player and many would likely have been fine staying there. That said, Jerry, the GM, did not feel that was the best strategy for this team. I can get behind that as well.

2) They felt we got the lower end of the bargain based on the draft value charts, and that we 'reached.' I did not then, nor do I now consider this a valid argument against. A draft pick is only valuable in what you spend it on. If we got a perennial solid starter AND a good WR with an 18th pick, that is value. I don't care what points say.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We should consider waiting a few more weeks before passing out the blame and congratulations, so far we've beaten two horrible teams and lost to freakin Kansas City. So far we are looking very "middle of the pack", though I do think there is potential to greatly improve as the season progresses.

Agreed.

I do find it patently absurd that somebody would think that Garrett (a former QB, QB coach, O-Coordinator and playcaller) would insist on a 3-4 DE to play in a 4-3 Tampa 2 scheme and had that overridden as we picked 3 offensive players in our first four picks.

Offensive minded coaches usually don't insist on getting defensive players, particularly Defensive Tackles, particularly DT's that don't fit our scheme. And they usually don't come away wishing that they got that player rather than having a starting center, a tight end and a wide receiver.

If we are likely to see an offensive centric Head Coach being overridden it would be if they wanted a center and instead we passed to get a DT. And then we got a linebacker and a corner with the next couple of picks.








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[SilverStarCowboy]

Garrett didn't know that Spencer was out for the Year, the latest indictment of Owner/Coach not being on the same page to go along with Draft and Play Calling duties

At the very least the dirty laundry list on lack of communication continues to grow.

 

[Doomsday101]

Garrett didn't know that Spencer was out for the Year, the latest indictment of Owner/Coach not being on the same page to go along with Draft and Play Calling duties

At the very least the dirty laundry list on lack of communication continues to grow.

Garrett knew Monday night after the results came in from the MRI Monday afternoon.


"We just wanted to make sure we did everything the right way," Garrett said. "Last week it just didn't feel great to him. He felt like there was something wrong. He got the MRI late Monday afternoon and we got the word Monday night. This is the best thing for him going forward. We're fully confident it's going to be handled the right way and he will be back and there is a lot more football left in him."

 

[dallasdave]

Maybe Jerry got a new guy to clean his Glasses.

 

[dallasdave]

Oh no, silly me that is his son in laws job.

 

[dallasdave]

So, who's the new guy?

 

[Hoofbite]

There have been people here that watched the same live feed that said that the 'reaction' was nonsense and it never happened.

I wouldn't be shocked if Ciskowski didn't like it, but I don't see Garrett going against Kiffin and Marinelli. I just feel that it was a scout below Ciskowski given how the media portrayed it afterward (a 'source' dismayed by the Cowboys going against the board) and at the risk of sounding cryptic, some other things I was told made me feel that as well.

Again, I'm not complaining. I'll take what I see out of Frederick and Williams over Floyd right now.

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I haven't and I think it'd be ridiculous for anyone to even try to take that stance after having watched it. If such people exist, I'd like to see some hands go up.

Unfortunately you can't re-watch at DC.com and I don't think anyone screen capped it. Pulled this from twitter right after it happened.

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Dude was pissed and basically stayed that way for a good amount of time.

 

[Hoofbite]

I'm not arguing that your complaining, I'm just contesting the fact that we can derive this is all part of JGs master plan, when his master plan has shown, for the last 6 years, abject failure on all levels of the game. JG had total control of the offense, and only now demoted, yet we are suppose to believe that it's entirely Wade's fault for all the horrendous draft picks on the OL side of the ball... Why did they go with Houck, who clearly wasn't a zone-blocking scheme coach and Wade wanted Solari, who was a zone blocking guy and now Dallas has gotten a zon-blocking guy in Callahan after Houck retired?

I agree, Jerry normally lets his coaches do their thing, and he did the same with Garrett. So he gave JG primarily total control of the offense and JJ normally only forces the hand when he has too. He did it with making Wade pay total attention to the defense and this season becnhd JG from pla-calling.

This re-writing of history is just absurd. JG got demoted... There is him on tape wanting Felix as CL pointed out above. Floyd was number one on the board, yet he was a 3-4 guy and JG has clearly stated his philosophy is to take the best player available, not need.

This was in March, prior to the draft, clearly stating that they addressed their needs and going with the BPA... So the bestplayer available for Floyd and Garrett argued that they were in a position that didn't have to draft for need. That's Garrett for you...

The Floyd situation tells you all you really need to know.

Kiffin and Marinelli came to Dallas and after just 3 months of being on the job they were overruling the draft board. Do people really expect others to believe that Garrett didn't have similar pull on the offensive side during his time as '"future head coach"?

 

[starfrombirth]

You just keep on believing that brother. This IS, HAS, and ALWAYS will be JJ's baby. And ever since the other JJ left, the field, the coaches, the players, and even some of the schemes have been his...he's the definition of the "yes boss" type. I think we have enough talent (that he should get credit for) and enough good defensive coaches (which he should get credit for) and are good enough to win now "in spite" of JJ.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You imply that all the bad aspects of this team in the past are his fault because "it's his baby" but say that we have talent now in spite of him. You can't fault him for the bad but deny him for the good. Well you can but you'd be two faced... and nobody wants that. It seems that you may have an agenda... hmmmm. Do you?

 

[starfrombirth]

I'm of the belief that the recent activity to acquire players recently are mainly due to the entire organization accomodating JG, Kiffin and Marinelli to afford them the best chance possible to succeed.

If guessing that your talking about recently and not the past... Just a guess tho

 

[big dog cowboy]

Kiffin and Marinelli came to Dallas and after just 3 months of being on the job they were overruling the draft board. Do people really expect others to believe that Garrett didn't have similar pull on the offensive side during his time as '"future head coach"?

That may be true who knows. But Kiffin and Marinelli were changing our defense and should have some input.

 

[starfrombirth]

Obviously I do not believe the reports about how much they wanted Shariff Floyd and got overridden. I have my reasons, not the least of which is that neither man has come out and ratified that theory. Not hard to figure out.

Oh, and I absolutely, 100% DO have agendas. We all do. I am not afraid to admit that. Never have been. Never will be. Not ashamed of mine. I am unabashedly, 100% Pro Dallas Cowboys and I will never duck my head to the likes of you for it.

Some people think that if you don't parrot what someone else says, you must be disagreeing with them. They don't understand that you can agree with the intent of the post and still not say exactly what it said. Some people don't understand that the english language is a versatile thing and can be used to say multiple things in multiple ways. I hope this helps "those" people.

 

[Hostile]

Some people think that if you don't parrot what someone else says, you must be disagreeing with them. They don't understand that you can agree with the intent of the post and still not say exactly what it said. Some people don't understand that the english language is a versatile thing and can be used to say multiple things in multiple ways. I hope this helps "those" people.

Here's hoping.

 

[visionary]

The Floyd situation tells you all you really need to know.

Kiffin and Marinelli came to Dallas and after just 3 months of being on the job they were overruling the draft board. Do people really expect others to believe that Garrett didn't have similar pull on the offensive side during his time as '"future head coach"?

This
I have this same point to Garrett apologists
Garrett has been incharge of the offense for 6+years and has significant say in offensive personnel for 6+ years

 

[visionary]

Agreed.

I do find it patently absurd that somebody would think that Garrett (a former QB, QB coach, O-Coordinator and playcaller) would insist on a 3-4 DE to play in a 4-3 Tampa 2 scheme and had that overridden as we picked 3 offensive players in our first four picks.

the revisionist history and interpretation are nauseating

here is a thought, maybe garrett has more respect for the opinion of the scouts and ciskowski

maybe he actually believes that the process should work the way it is supposed to instead of being over-ruled by an unqualified GM, and his eve less qualified son, on a whim

 

[Yakuza Rich]

This
I have this same point to Garrett apologists
Garrett has been incharge of the offense for 6+years and has significant say in offensive personnel for 6+ years

So explain why it is 'overruling' Garrett when we traded down and picked up an offensive player (Frederick) instead of a defensive player (Floyd)?

And then we picked up 2 more offensive players (Escobar and Williams)...3 out of the first 4 picks were offensive players.

It would seem to me that if you were 'overruling' an offensive coach like Garrett, he would not want a defensive player in the first place. And that you would go with defensive players instead of offensive players.

My viewpoint is that Jerry, Stephen and Garrett were looking to trade down. They discussed this before the draft and how we needed more personnel and more young players. This was also considered a poor draft, so usually the idea is to acquire more picks in bad draft classes.

I just don't see Floyd as an option for this team. And I'm hardly rueing the day we passed up on him.

Maybe Ciskowski was upset about it and complained to the press. I have my doubts. But, I see no logic in the claim that Garrett was dead set on picking Floyd and got overturned.




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[Yakuza Rich]

Here's what Wikipedia had on Floyd:

Floyd is listed as a defensive tackle, but considered to be best fit as Defensive End in a 3–4 defensive alignment.[8

Floyd was also brought in by Philly....to be looked at as a 3-4 DE.




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[Yakuza Rich]

the revisionist history and interpretation are nauseating

here is a thought, maybe garrett has more respect for the opinion of the scouts and ciskowski

maybe he actually believes that the process should work the way it is supposed to instead of being over-ruled by an unqualified GM, and his eve less qualified son, on a whim

How is that 'revisionist history.'

Garrett was a Qb. He was a QB coach. He was an O-Coordinator. He was an offensive playcaller.

Floyd was considered to best fit in the 3-4 as a DE.

And if Garrett has more respect for Ciskowski than Kiffin and Marinelli when it comes to a D-Lineman, then there's an issue.




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