Jerry sees McCarthy and Zimmer as a package deal

[Whirlwin]

Same reply every time clueless opens his mouth….the circus continues.

Oh, I’m still laughing. Every time Clueless ,opens his mouth, that’s my new name for him.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I mean by getting worse is remaining a losing record team year after year.

I understand the frustration. We all feel it. And it does have some historical futility significance . I’ve been a huge critic as well.

But amazingly the buffoon as owner and GM has been able most years to remain relevant. Thus far this relevance has been able to prevent more criticism and ultimately financial fallout which is only realistic means of bringing about the change we all know is necessary to return to our more historied success.

But we must also acknowledge that our glorious history is not a given . And nowhere does it say it’s required to be a championship caliber franchise. That’s something fans have just come to expect with more regularity because of our history. And associate with our brand.

We could always be the Jets for example who have longest stretch currently in NFL of not making the playoffs and almost 50 years since last SB appearance . Yes , they had a conf champ appearance since us in late 90’s but I think overall we could argue not as much relativity.

In all fairness this reference to championship appearances since 1996 is basically a talking point since we had so many prior to this. And most of the league had made one since. Much like talking points our QB’s this era didn’t have any or enough success cause they didn’t go deeper in playoffs.

It’s time for Cowboy fans to accept we are no longer a championship caliber franchise. Those expectations need to be adjusted. I guess 30 years hasn’t been long enough. Maybe 50 years will be after this generation of fans have died off and there is no longer Cowboy fans who lived when we were successful.

The Cowboys were relevent before Jerry arrived so thats nothing new. NFL fans enjoy watching us lose as much as win. Amazing considering the franchise is not in NY or LA. I will never accept the Jerry's mediocrity. Its not the team. Its him. He is the problem. No other franchise can point to one guy as being the problem. Dallas is truly unique in NFL lore in that regard. Other franchises can point too multiple failed GMs and coaches. Maybe its unclear whose at fault since so many have had their hand in making decisions. Not so in Dallas. It all falls sqaurely on Jerry's shoulders, and he doesn't deserve the reprieve from criticism or expectations.

 

[conner01]

I think half the posters here could hire a better HC. But this is Jerry and Jerry is capable of doing worse than MM and Zimmer

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Id argue it's Parcells. He got us one game away from the chip game. Guess it depends how we measure success.

Are you counting Wade’s first year as a Parcells’s year?

 

[Diehardblues]

The Cowboys were relevent before Jerry arrived so thats nothing new. NFL fans enjoy watching us lose as much as win. Amazing considering the franchise is not in NY or LA. I will never accept the Jerry's mediocrity. Its not the team. Its him. He is the problem. No other franchise can point to one guy as being the problem. Dallas is truly unique in NFL lore in that regard. Other franchises can point too multiple failed GMs and coaches. Maybe its unclear whose at fault since so many have had their hand in making decisions. Not so in Dallas. It all falls sqaurely on Jerry's shoulders, and he doesn't deserve the reprieve from criticism or expectations.

I agree. It’s abundantly clear whose fault it is. My point is we can’t do anything about but complain. And Im not saying we should accept it. But at some point you either lower your expectations or you can’t even enjoy a game .

I refuse to let him totally destroy the 60 minutes of action each week I tune in to watch. It’s the only partial escape I have from the total mess he’s created.

The rest of the week we can totally bash him and call it out. Otherwise we might as well move on and watch something else.

I learned how to be this apathetic fan for my Alma mater who suks most of the time. All you have left is game day. When you lose that you’ve lost it all and have no enjoyment at all in playing the game .

Thanks to Couch Coach years ago for making me realize that’s really all we have left as Cowboy fans with our terrible owner and GM.

 

[NDGAEDE]

People who blame injuries: How do you explain the early blowouts when most of our team was still intact?

And if you're gonna give Mike and Mike a pass because of the personnel and bloated contracts Jerry and co saddled them with, well that's not going to change next year, either. The same conditions they struggled with this year will still be here in 2025 because that is fundamentally how this team is run.

We should want an innovative coach whose scheme, gameplans, and playcalling help mitigate a weak roster comprised of lesser players and rookie projects.

 

[Diehardblues]

People who blame injuries: How do you explain the early blowouts when most of our team was still intact?

And if you're gonna give Mike and Mike a pass because of the personnel and bloated contracts Jerry and co saddled them with, well that's not going to change next year, either. The same conditions they struggled with this year will still be here in 2025 because that is fundamentally how this team is run.

We should want an innovative coach whose scheme, gameplans, and playcalling helps mitigate a weak roster comprised of lesser players and rookie projects.

Yes, of course we should want that. Unfortunately it’s not realistic to attract such a coach with our dysfunctional leadership.

 

[NDGAEDE]

Yes, of course we should want that. Unfortunately it’s not realistic to attract such a coach with your dysfunctional leadership.

Oh totally right. I just don't think anyone should be given Mike and Mike a pass for this year. They failed and should be replaced. Even if we won't get what we really need, there should be no going forward with this current regime.

 

[Diehardblues]

Oh totally right. I just don't think anyone should be given Mike and Mike a pass for this year. They failed and should be replaced. Even if we won't get what we really need, there should be no going forward with this current regime.

I think most would agree in theory. Our dysfunctional ownership does present though that the prospects could be worse. That’s not actually giving them a pass. Just recognizing the circumstances.

 

[Sydla]

This ******* is going to run it back in 2025 with no major changes.

LOL.

 

[NDGAEDE]

I think most would agree in theory. Our dysfunctional ownership does present though that the prospects could be worse. That’s not actually giving them a pass. Just recognizing the circumstances.

True, good point.

Speaking for myself, I don't think I can stomach another season of the same crew (Dak, Mike, Zimmer etc).

I'd prefer another coach, even at the risk of being worse, simply so I have a reason to watch again. The prospect of change and potential improvement is better to me than status quo.

 

[Diehardblues]

At some point fans have to come to terms with state of the union for the Dallas Cowboys limited prospects under our dysfunctional ownership.

It’s like having a handicap. Don’t have to accept or like it but you have to learn how to live with it and adjust your expectations.

 

[jgboys1]

I would like to send Jerry and Stephen as a package deal to the eagles, giants or commanders!

 

[Diehardblues]

True, good point.

Speaking for myself, I don't think I can stomach another season of the same crew (Dak, Mike, Zimmer etc).

I'd prefer another coach, even at the risk of being worse, simply so I have a reason to watch again. The prospect of change and potential improvement is better to me than status quo.

I’m with ya but to me there’s nothing worse than stomaching our owner. He’s already numbed down my hope, The rest is just a result or body of work of his dysfunction.

I’m a fan who has lost all hope. It’s plainly obvious to me after 3 decades now since Jethro inserted himself after Jimmy that there’s nothing but talent on the field which can overcome his dysfunction including coaching. It’s mattered very little if any.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would like to send Jerry and Stephen as a package deal to the eagles, giants or commanders!

No franchise or even fans would want our owner. No one . At least they have some hope they can finally hire the right leader. We have no hope.

 

[jgboys1]

No franchise or even fans would want our owner. No one . At least they have some hope they can finally hire the right leader. We have no hope.

I know! We really do not have any hope with these 2 clowns!

They are more detrimental to the Cowboys than the opposing teams are.

 

[75boyz]

Well with all in and run it back being the 2024 Cowboy t-shirt slogan, what catchy one liner can capture how awesome it will be to return the whole coaching staff for the 2025 season?

 

[DandyDon52]

I think at some point, he needs to reassess all the coaching staff. Its easy to say injuries hindered this year bc it did but even in the last three years we had some of same coaching struggles. I appreciate how MM handles the adversity but thats not enough. Schematically, we are out dated. The offense looks basic and predictable without any motion, pass vs run balance is always lopsided (but he fired KM for not running the ball but yet KM ran the ball at a higher perception), there is no diversity on offense in formation or concepts and its times we are flat out just not prepared. I thought with Bill going to Carolina, Vrabel offensive struggles when he was a HC and his altercations with GM and MM contract expiring - maybe it would influence Jerry and Stephen to follow the trend of younger, more innovative and new concepts in their coaching selection but I got a feeling he actually will use injuries to keep both coaches. I know tanking isnt favored but at the point we should be prioritizing draft picks, and re evaluating coaching because we have enough foundational talent, young players who are up and coming, and should be 10 draft picks including 4 comp picks and ability to create 100m in space. We could be be at the top if the front office manages this right.

LOL that is too much work for the jones boys !
They will take the easy way out, and just extend mike and mike lol.
More of the same for another 5 years guys. Get ready for more mediocrity!

If he had hired BB last year and let mike walk, even I would have been excited, but didnt happen.
They wont hire any new young OC either.

Jones boys like 2 things, EASY, and CHEAP ! That is how they roll lol.

 

[DandyDon52]

I know! We really do not have any hope with these 2 clowns!

They are more detrimental to the Cowboys than the opposing teams are.

The jones boys always find clever ways to keep the cowboys from being a great team!
They have been doing it for 30 years lol, and will continue to do it.

Just look at this year, 12-5 last year,then they sent half their guys out of here, went to 1 year deals, no FA,didnt fire mike,passed on BB etc, and said do more with less!!
I thought they were tanking, but evidently they weren't lol or they changed their minds lol.

This year makes no sense at all, Fish thought it was so they could hire a new HC ,have higher draft picks,and 100 mil cap room to spend in FA.
But then stephen says no to that,Jerry says maybe mike and mike are way to go lol, so Fish then got mad, wondering what was the reason for this season??

It is a circus/comedy, and it is no longer entertaining. I look at people in stands at home games, and many are bored and probably wondering
why they are there.

The jones boys make about as much sense as Nero . Nero made his horse a senator ! lol

 

[LysleE]

It doesn’t matter what changes, if any, Jerry makes to the coaching staff. The FO willl not make the investment required to bring in good players to upgrade the team; one can only do so much building solely through the draft.
Moreover, the team still is undisciplined and has been under the tenure of multiple coaches; so maybe McClay has to re-evaluate the traits he is looking for and target players with a higher football IQ