Jerry Wants an *Offensive* Playmaker *Merge*

[khiladi]

Adrian Peterson right now is squashing any notion that a RB can't be that much of an impact on the field in today's NFL. Minnesota even has Davarius Jackson throwing over 70 percent in the last 3 games, because teams just don't care about him, and want to stop the run.

Minnesota is looking like a legitimate threat more and more everyday in the NFC.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Not 'give' away, TRADE. Package of picks and players.

Especially if Jerry can get Jason Taylor included with Dolphin's 1st round pick.

Not a long shot if you are paying attention to what is going on in Miami.


TRADE:

Dallas trades:

2008 first rounder (not necessarily Cleveland's)
SS Roy Williams
DL Marcus Spears
LB Bobby Carpenter
DE Anthony Spencer
2009 first rounder
2010 2nd rounder

Dolphins trade:

2008 first rounder
OLB Jason Taylor
2009 4th rounder


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Dallas is trading youth and quantity to Miami which they are in dire need of PLUS Dallas is trading 3 (possibly 4) proven starters for ONE. 6 first rounders for 2, (if you consider that Taylor is the equivalent of one).

Ware, Taylor and Ellis would be much more effective than Ware, Spencer and Ellis and should be stellar for another 2 years, or 4. Draft another pass rusher to groom behind this QB killing triumphvirate.

I like Roy (a lot), but Hamlin and Watkins with be just fine with Ware, Ellis and Taylor terrorizing QBs.

Dallas can draft McFadden and a WR (although my preference is to woo Randy Moss to play opposite Owens and draft a stud CB).

There will be some pretty good WRs and CBs available in the 2nd. Corners like Reggie Smith or Rogers-Cromartie.

That is beyond stupid. You would be tradeing SIX 1st round draft choices. That totals an ***-load of talent. Spencer is going to be a damn good replacement for Ellis and Jason Taylor is OLD! You are a freakin idiot!

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

You can't deny the talents of McFadden but I would not sell my soul to the devil just to acquire him! I believe in being smart about things and right now this team needs a CB and probably can get a nice RB later in the first round.

 

[chinch]

Adrian Peterson right now is squashing any notion that a RB can't be that much of an impact on the field in today's NFL. Minnesota even has Davarius Jackson throwing over 70 percent in the last 3 games, because teams just don't care about him, and want to stop the run.

Minnesota is looking like a legitimate threat more and more everyday in the NFC.

Minny doesn't have Romo, Witten, TO, Barber, etc.

come on guys... Peterson & the like would be almost a non-factor on our offense for TWO #1s

 

[khiladi]

Minny doesn't have Romo, Witten, TO, Barber, etc.

come on guys... Peterson & the like would be almost a non-factor on our offense for TWO #1s

Yeah they don't, and they have Davarius Jackson, in the last 3 ganmes, hovering over 70 percent in completion percentage. They have started to gel, and are becoming a dominant force, precisely because their run game is that good. Imagine what a team could do with an above average passing attack.

On the Cowboys, Peterson would have at least one big run a game for a TD. Peterson has GREAT vision, and he is one of the best open field runners in this era. The guy is leading the league in rushing, and hasn't played a full season. Julius Jones can't break his route if a hole opens up. He also gets tackled on the first hit. Peterson just needs a small hole, and he's gone. Plus, Peterson catches the ball. Our screen plays and quick passes, I get just giddy thinking about it.

And then you have the Barber change-of-pace to the outside.

A guy like Peterson would be the ultimate piece of the puzzle, because of the way we spread the field. The Cowboys, with a back like Peterson, could potentially be the greatest offense to ever step foot on an NFL field.

 

[chinch]

minny has a great OL for running and looks good vs bad teams. he would certainly not have "at least one big run a game for a TD." Plus how would mcfadden/etc pickup the blitz? Remember what division we're in.

memo to cowboy fans - OFFENSE is not our problem (check our ranking last year and this year). we don't need the greatest offense. sure if he fell into our laps that is one thing but trading two #1s (ie. two starters) for a hit-or-miss RB is really foolish given our roster.

Yeah they don't, and they have Davarius Jackson, in the last 3 ganmes, hovering over 70 percent in completion percentage. They have started to gel, and are becoming a dominant force, precisely because their run game is that good. Imagine what a team could do with an above average passing attack.

On the Cowboys, Peterson would have at least one big run a game for a TD. Peterson has GREAT vision, and he is one of the best open field runners in this era. The guy is leading the league in rushing, and hasn't played a full season. Julius Jones can't break his route if a hole opens up. He also gets tackled on the first hit. Peterson just needs a small hole, and he's gone. Plus, Peterson catches the ball. Our screen plays and quick passes, I get just giddy thinking about it.

And then you have the Barber change-of-pace to the outside.

A guy like Peterson would be the ultimate piece of the puzzle, because of the way we spread the field. The Cowboys, with a back like Peterson, could potentially be the greatest offense to ever step foot on an NFL field.

 

[khiladi]

minny has a great OL for running and looks good vs bad teams. he would certainly not have "at least one big run a game for a TD." Plus how would mcfadden/etc pickup the blitz? Remember what division we're in.

I don't care how good the line is, Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards a carry, and is leading the league in rushing with only ten games under his belt. Emmitt never put up that type of average, and he had great receiver threats, and one of the greatest QBs to the play the game. He also had one of the best run blocking OLs of all time.

No doubt, the OL is good in Minnesota, but the OL doesn't block downfield, nor are they the second point of defense. Peterson is just as dangerous at the second-line of defense, as he is at spotting the hole and hitting it. He isn't going to get tackled in the open-field.

When Minnesota played us, we had Davarius Jackson at his absolute worst, and the coach not deciding to give the ball to Peterson more than 12 snaps. And even when he carried the ball only 12 times, he rushed for 63 yards, and averaged 5.3 yards a carry. He had a 20 yard TD, i.e. in the red-zone, and we don't give up those type of running TDs. And we were focusing on stopping the run. At Green Bay, he averaged 9.3 yards per rush.

And I have not heard any criticisms regarding Peterson not picking up a bliltz. I'm sure he can handle it a lot better than Julius Jones. Imagine the play-action of Dallas with a Peterson-like RB.

memo to cowboy fans - OFFENSE is not our problem (check our ranking last year and this year). we don't need the greatest offense. sure if he fell into our laps that is one thing but trading two #1s (ie. two starters) for a hit-or-miss RB is really foolish given our roster.

You can hit-or-miss on any player, and you play the probabilities.

 

[chinch]

playaction with a guy like AP would be great but a "westbrook" type playe woudl be cheaper and more effective in our offense.

You can hit-or-miss on any player, and you play the probabilities.

trading two #1 for one #1 is twice the gamble with unknown payoff.

how many here wanted to draft Leftwich over TNEW?

(the answer is many if not most, yet lefty is barely in the NFL).

 

[SMCowboy]

memo to cowboy fans - OFFENSE is not our problem (check our ranking last year and this year). we don't need the greatest offense. sure if he fell into our laps that is one thing but trading two #1s (ie. two starters) for a hit-or-miss RB is really foolish given our roster.

Our defense is not a "problem" either. In the current NFL, with the rules all favoring the offense. Even a great defense is not going to come even close to shutting down the great offenses that can put 4 and 5 WR's on the field at the same time.

All that you can even hope to do is slow down those offense's. And we have. Even against Green Bay, even thought they scored 27 points, they were STOPPED on 3rd down three different times only to give them another shot at it because of penalties. If we don't commit those penalties, we hold a red hot Green Bay Packers offense to 13 points.

Nowadays nobody can lineup and play man defense against 4 and 5 WR's sets. You can even count the number of teams on one hand that can play man D against 3 WR sets.

This current team does not have any holes or problems. Sure, a little more CB depth would be nice, but not very many teams even have the depth that we have a CB, much less better depth.

Sure, WR help would be nice, but Sam Hurd has shown that he definately does have a place in this league, and while best served probably more as a #3 type WR was far from terrible when he was forced into action as a #2 WR. And Patrick Crayton also have proven to be a great #3 WR, and is solid as a #2 WR. Plus add in we still have Isiah Stanback who everyone is very high on as well. And Austin Miles is showing that he has a little game as well. All of this to go along with TO. Would more youth and anouther playmaker at WR be nice, yeah, but it isn't like we don't already have one of the top two or three if not the best playmaking WR in the NFL already on our roster.

If anything you could argue that the biggest hole on this team is the lack of any sort of homerun threat at RB. Marion Barber is what he is, and that is a very good RB who excels at wearing teams down, but this team doesn't have anyone in the backfield who is a threat to score anytime they touch the football.

 

[superpunk]

I would be behind any move to get McFadden, but I think it's pretty clear that he is no Adrian Peterson. Then again, I'm not sure anyone is. He's got more moves than a U-Haul - McFadden is just sick physically. Which gives hom more boom/bust potential, but the way he tears the SEC to pieces, I think you've got to assume boom.

Should've sold out this year to get Peterson, IMO. Would've been exorbitant, but I advocated it pre-draft and I stand by it. He's absurd.

 

[SMCowboy]

playaction with a guy like AP would be great but a "westbrook" type playe woudl be cheaper and more effective in our offense.


trading two #1 for one #1 is twice the gamble with unknown payoff.

how many here wanted to draft Leftwich over TNEW?

(the answer is many if not most, yet lefty is barely in the NFL).

You are right that what we need is speed at RB in this offense. But given how versitle McFadden is, has anyone who has seen him more than I have give me any idea on if he McFadden could play the Reggie Bush role from last year with Marion barber being our version of Deuce McCallister? AKA returning kicks, lining up at WR, just being an all everything type of player?

 

[03EBZ06]

Not 'give' away, TRADE. Package of picks and players.

TRADE:

Dallas trades:

2008 first rounder (not necessarily Cleveland's)
SS Roy Williams
DL Marcus Spears
LB Bobby Carpenter
DE Anthony Spencer
2009 first rounder
2010 2nd rounder

Dolphins trade:

2008 first rounder
OLB Jason Taylor
2009 4th rounder


.

You wouldn't by chance be Dan Snyder, would you?

This isn't a trade, IT IS A GIVE AWAY.

 

[khiladi]

You are right that what we need is speed at RB in this offense. But given how versitle McFadden is, has anyone who has seen him more than I have give me any idea on if he McFadden could play the Reggie Bush role from last year with Marion barber being our version of Deuce McCallister? AKA returning kicks, lining up at WR, just being an all everything type of player?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APEFj8Glx7Q&feature=related

I'm not that much of a fan of Reggie Bush, who primarily runs outside. McFadden seems to be an explosive upfield runner, i.e. very efficient in how he runs. That is definitely a complement to the way Marion Barber plays. He also hits the hole very quick.

I agree though with Superpunk in the following:

I would be behind any move to get McFadden, but I think it's pretty clear that he is no Adrian Peterson.

Peterson shifts laterally like nobody I have seen, other than Barry Sanders. The difference though is Peterson seems to be a much more efficient runner. He doesn't seem to dance.

 

[SMCowboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APEFj8Glx7Q&feature=related

I'm not that much of a fan of Reggie Bush, who primarily runs outside. McFadden seems to be an explosive upfield runner, i.e. very efficient in how he runs. That is definitely a complement to the way Marion Barber plays. He also hits the hole very quick.

I agree though with Superpunk in the following:



Peterson shifts laterally like nobody I have seen, other than Barry Sanders. The difference though is Peterson seems to be a much more efficient runner. He doesn't seem to dance.

If we could get a Reggie Bush, that is more of a between the tackles runner, that would be best. But what I was mainly talking about when I said a Reggie Bush, was a player that we could use alot like New Orleans used Reggie Bush last year, get him 10 to 15 carries a game as well as get him 5 to 10 catches a game both as a RB out of the backfield as well as lining him up as a WR as well. Plus getting touches as a PR and or KO returner.

 

[jswalker1981]

I could see us letting JJ go, and sign Turner. He has great speed, and has the size to break some of those tackles that JJ hasn't been able to. And then we could use our draft picks on a dynamic WR, because I would have to say that Crayton is closer to Owens than any other WR is to Terry Glenn (maybe Stanback, but he needs a lot of time to develop). So I think that is why Jerry wants a "wow" guy. He could want a dymanic WR that can take a short pass and go all the way with it. And then we could use the other 1st rounder on the secondary. There is no problem with draft depth guys, as long as those depth guys can play at a high level when they are called upon, because of either injury or a player leaving via free agency.

 

[AsthmaField]

Should've sold out this year to get Peterson, IMO. Would've been exorbitant, but I advocated it pre-draft and I stand by it. He's absurd.

I was all for that. There was a lot of opposition to it, but I thought it would have been worth it.

Hindsight tells me I was right.

To be fair though, that's what I wanted to happen... but nobody could be sure how good he would be.

Too bad he's a super-superstar.

I haven't seen McFadden enough, but if he has good vision and instincts, then he's likely going to be a star too... and I think we should pull the trigger.

If he's just running through big holes and using speed to make yards and TD's... then I'd think twice about it. Only scouts can really tell the answer to those questions, though.

I hope they decide what to do, wisely.

 

[AsthmaField]

You wouldn't by chance be Dan Snyder, would you?

This isn't a trade, IT IS A GIVE AWAY.

It's insane is what it is.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was all for that. There was a lot of opposition to it, but I thought it would have been worth it.

Hindsight tells me I was right.

To be fair though, that's what I wanted to happen... but nobody could be sure how good he would be.

Too bad he's a super-superstar.

I haven't seen McFadden enough, but if he has good vision and instincts, then he's likely going to be a star too... and I think we should pull the trigger.

If he's just running through big holes and using speed to make yards and TD's... then I'd think twice about it. Only scouts can really tell the answer to those questions, though.

I hope they decide what to do, wisely.

scouts are already telling Goose that McFadden is a special player

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah they don't, and they have Davarius Jackson, in the last 3 ganmes, hovering over 70 percent in completion percentage. They have started to gel, and are becoming a dominant force, precisely because their run game is that good. Imagine what a team could do with an above average passing attack.

On the Cowboys, Peterson would have at least one big run a game for a TD. Peterson has GREAT vision, and he is one of the best open field runners in this era. The guy is leading the league in rushing, and hasn't played a full season. Julius Jones can't break his route if a hole opens up. He also gets tackled on the first hit. Peterson just needs a small hole, and he's gone. Plus, Peterson catches the ball. Our screen plays and quick passes, I get just giddy thinking about it.

And then you have the Barber change-of-pace to the outside.

A guy like Peterson would be the ultimate piece of the puzzle, because of the way we spread the field. The Cowboys, with a back like Peterson, could potentially be the greatest offense to ever step foot on an NFL field.

don't know why you're drooling about the possibilities that will never happen

focus on that next great back, McFadden

 

[Apollo Creed]

I'm no longer drinking the McFadden kool-aid, but I'm chugging it. LSU had gone all year without giving up a 100 yard back, then McFadden goes for 205 and 3 TDs. He has done it every year at Arkansas with a miserable supporting cast.

Outside of depth at the corner position, this team has no holes. Upgrade from Julius Jones and you've got a powerhouse for many years to come.

Is Jerry crazy enough? I think so.