Jerry's Gambles

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sunalsorises said:
In skimming through the Trey Lance threads, it seems many consider acquiring him as a bust. Jerry took a chance on acquiring a first round talent with a fourth round pick and so far it hasn't panned out. I'm thinking back to some of Jerry's other recent gambles on "damaged" players with high upside and was wondering where he stands over all. Here are some that come to mind.

  • Rolando McClain: Didn't give up too much for him and needed him when Sean Lee was hurt. Overall he played well but arson and purple drank might offset any contribution he made
  • Greg Hardy: Dallas was able to sign him for a decent deal based on games played and he ended up being suspended for a lot of them. He never amounted to the guy he was in Carolina, though.
  • Jaylon Smith: Jerry used a second round pick on what would have been a top 5 talent if not for the injury. Smith played well enough to get a big second contract and make sunglasses. He turned out to be a pile jumping (when he could hit the pile) failure who disgraced the numbers 54 and 9.
  • Pacman Jones: Decent contract after being out of the league only to be out of the league after one season in Dallas for fighting with his "bodyguard." He did go on to be productive with Cincinnati, though.
  • Dez Bryant: Dallas used a first round pick on a guy who was suspended at college and had a bit of a checkered past. The bargain here is that Dez fell in the draft. He turned out to be great for Dallas on the field until he wasn't. Hard to believe he is only 35 right now.
  • Randy Gregory: A second round "gamble" in that he was rated high but he liked to get high so he fell in the draft. He was decent while in Dallas but didn't pan out the way Jerry probably hoped.
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You forgot Gerald McCoy, Dontari Poe, Joey Galloway, Aldon Smith. He's either trading for trash or bringing in washed up has beens. He did it again with Jordan Phillips and Carl Lawson.
 
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TheCritic said:
LOL at the cherry picking of Cowboys player acquisition failures. As if other teams have superior batting averages.
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Only 4 other teams besides the Cowboys have not competed in a conference championship game in the 21st Century. Overall, 27 other franchises do, in fact, have "higher batting averages" than the JonesBoys.
 
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Jaylon was terrible pick and no he didn't play well enough to get a 2nd contract lol
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Zeke was holding out at the time Jerry gave Jaylon that ridiculous contract. It was some weird try at putting pressure on Zeke and his agent to cave. Jerry alluded to this at the presser announcing the Jaylon deal. He said something to the effect that the Cowboys take care of team players.
 
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This one probably cost him the most.
 
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I think of Trey as our 4th round draft pick. In fact, he's close to the same age as some of the QB's drafted this year.

Putting Dak's unique circumstances aside, what are the typical expectations of a rookie drafted in the 4th round?

No QB was drafted this year in rounds 2-4 so the closest to Trey as a 4th round pick would be Spencer Rattler of the Saints, taken in the 5th round. Rattler was 9 for 17 for 70 yards in their preseason game. I think Saints fans were pretty excited
 

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sunalsorises said:
In skimming through the Trey Lance threads, it seems many consider acquiring him as a bust. Jerry took a chance on acquiring a first round talent with a fourth round pick and so far it hasn't panned out. I'm thinking back to some of Jerry's other recent gambles on "damaged" players with high upside and was wondering where he stands over all. Here are some that come to mind.

  • Rolando McClain: Didn't give up too much for him and needed him when Sean Lee was hurt. Overall he played well but arson and purple drank might offset any contribution he made
  • Greg Hardy: Dallas was able to sign him for a decent deal based on games played and he ended up being suspended for a lot of them. He never amounted to the guy he was in Carolina, though.
  • Jaylon Smith: Jerry used a second round pick on what would have been a top 5 talent if not for the injury. Smith played well enough to get a big second contract and make sunglasses. He turned out to be a pile jumping (when he could hit the pile) failure who disgraced the numbers 54 and 9.
  • Pacman Jones: Decent contract after being out of the league only to be out of the league after one season in Dallas for fighting with his "bodyguard." He did go on to be productive with Cincinnati, though.
  • Dez Bryant: Dallas used a first round pick on a guy who was suspended at college and had a bit of a checkered past. The bargain here is that Dez fell in the draft. He turned out to be great for Dallas on the field until he wasn't. Hard to believe he is only 35 right now.
  • Randy Gregory: A second round "gamble" in that he was rated high but he liked to get high so he fell in the draft. He was decent while in Dallas but didn't pan out the way Jerry probably hoped.
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Exactly who is saying Trance is a 1st round talent?

He was a small school project w/ great athleticism. That does not mean he's a 1st round talent.
 

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I don't mind taking chances from time to time. You have to consider that if 31 teams pass on a guy and Dallas takes a shot at him, chances are it is a long shot to begin with. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Maybe giving up second round picks seems like to much, but isn't that the gamble? If they got Gregory in the 4th,that would not have been much of a gamble really.
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No, most of the time it does not work.
 

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CowboysFaninHouston said:
there is way more than that
he took Joseph with questionable character in the second round. Schoonmaker a 25 year old rookie with history of injuries. Aldon Smith who also had character issues.
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Escobar, Trysten Hill. Jerry's 2nd round gambles are killing this team. Sammy may become the next.
 
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Exactly who is saying Trance is a 1st round talent?

He was a small school project w/ great athleticism. That does not mean he's a 1st round talent.
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San Francisco drafted him in the first round and gave up a bunch to do so. There is also this quote from his pre-draft scouting report:

"From a skill set perspective, Lance fits in with other recent first-round prospects. His size, arm strength, running ability, and big-play potential are in line with other recent first-round picks such as Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen and Jordan Love."

I doubt any team would take him in the first round knowing what is known now but some teams liked his raw skill set enough to want to draft him in the first round forcing San Francisco to have to trade up to do so.
 
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sunalsorises said:
In skimming through the Trey Lance threads, it seems many consider acquiring him as a bust. Jerry took a chance on acquiring a first round talent with a fourth round pick and so far it hasn't panned out. I'm thinking back to some of Jerry's other recent gambles on "damaged" players with high upside and was wondering where he stands over all. Here are some that come to mind.

  • Rolando McClain: Didn't give up too much for him and needed him when Sean Lee was hurt. Overall he played well but arson and purple drank might offset any contribution he made
  • Greg Hardy: Dallas was able to sign him for a decent deal based on games played and he ended up being suspended for a lot of them. He never amounted to the guy he was in Carolina, though.
  • Jaylon Smith: Jerry used a second round pick on what would have been a top 5 talent if not for the injury. Smith played well enough to get a big second contract and make sunglasses. He turned out to be a pile jumping (when he could hit the pile) failure who disgraced the numbers 54 and 9.
  • Pacman Jones: Decent contract after being out of the league only to be out of the league after one season in Dallas for fighting with his "bodyguard." He did go on to be productive with Cincinnati, though.
  • Dez Bryant: Dallas used a first round pick on a guy who was suspended at college and had a bit of a checkered past. The bargain here is that Dez fell in the draft. He turned out to be great for Dallas on the field until he wasn't. Hard to believe he is only 35 right now.
  • Randy Gregory: A second round "gamble" in that he was rated high but he liked to get high so he fell in the draft. He was decent while in Dallas but didn't pan out the way Jerry probably hoped.
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Drew Henson
Chad Hutchinson

Jerry is trying to reproduce Romo....and yes I know Jerry had no clue who Romo was at the time.

Consider this. He strikes gold by making some ridiculous trade and it works out. To what degree isn't germane because Jerry has one goal.

To be considered a football guy. For people to think he is capable. As people complain about Dak, Dak at least is competent in the regular season. Jerry is perhaps the worst at any job in the NFL.

And that include Rowdy.
 

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sunalsorises said:
San Francisco drafted him in the first round and gave up a bunch to do so. There is also this quote from his pre-draft scouting report:

"From a skill set perspective, Lance fits in with other recent first-round prospects. His size, arm strength, running ability, and big-play potential are in line with other recent first-round picks such as Pat Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen and Jordan Love."

I doubt any team would take him in the first round knowing what is known now but some teams liked his raw skill set enough to want to draft him in the first round forcing San Francisco to have to trade up to do so.
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Trance was a 3rd round talent. QB's are overdrafted in bunched due to the value of the position. That doesn't make him a 1st round talent.

Think about this. Where did these cats go to college:

Mahomes: Texas Tech
Herbert: Oregon
Allen: Wyoming
Watson: Clemson

All big football schools. Yes, even Wyoming is a legit football school.

Lance: North Dakota St.

For the QB position, simple raw physical skills does not make a QB a 1st round talent. The QB position is mostly in the head, and coming from a small school means he hasn't played against NFL talent very much, not much at all. The quickness of the game increases a ton from North Dak St to any of the other schools.

Conclusion: Not a 1st round talent.
 
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