Jets fans are desperate

[gbrittain]

Got news for you, they didn't even have one starting caliber qb before the injuries. Pennington was all but finished after playing hurt last year. He played like crap before getting injured and has never played a full season anyway. Fiedler has been healthy only 1 of the last 6 years and hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs in almost as many and with their schedule, it wasn't likely they would have made the playoffs anyway. The only reason they made the playoffs last year was cause of Lamont Jordan, Kareem McKenzie and QC. Without those guys they were doomed from the beginning.

I gotta give you credit. You are QCs biggest fan. I dont think even Colts fans think more highly of their QB than you do of QC.

 

[Vertigo_17]

If I remember correctly, Vinny looked pretty darn good in the beginning of the season and then slowly went downhill. Almost like he ran out of gas.

Agree, Vinny's a good option as a backup QB who's not expected to play for an extended part of the season.

 

[joseephuss]

If I remember correctly, Vinny looked pretty darn good in the beginning of the season and then slowly went downhill. Almost like he ran out of gas.

Agree, Vinny's a good option as a backup QB who's not expected to play for an extended part of the season.

Did you read where Keyshawn thought Vinny was better the 2nd half of the season than the first? Pretty funny stuff.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Got news for you, they didn't even have one starting caliber qb before the injuries. Pennington was all but finished after playing hurt last year. He played like crap before getting injured and has never played a full season anyway. Fiedler has been healthy only 1 of the last 6 years and hasn't gotten a team to the playoffs in almost as many and with their schedule, it wasn't likely they would have made the playoffs anyway. The only reason they made the playoffs last year was cause of Lamont Jordan, Kareem McKenzie and QC. Without those guys they were doomed from the beginning.

When you say QC you cant be talking about the druggie who couldnt stay out of rehab long enough to finish the season, can you?

 

[Vertigo_17]

Did you read where Keyshawn thought Vinny was better the 2nd half of the season than the first? Pretty funny stuff.

didn't see that...do you have a link to the article? Maybe Keyshawn thought Vinny played better once Glenn went down = more balls being thrown his way?

 

[kartr]

A new high in ridiculous.

Even Herm Edwards admitted they couldn't have made the playoffs without QC.
Without him they would have won only 8 games which was one less than Baltimore and Buffalo which would have disqualified them for the playoffs. You see Brooks Bollinger has been replaced after one start he was so bad. QC had a qb rating of 98 in the games he played, so you're saying that wouldn't help a team to win. You QC Haters are the ones who are rediculous and drug problem or not, he can play better than a third of the starting qb's in the NFL and the coaches that don't bring him deserve to get fired when their teams don't make the playoffs. That's really smart, cutting off your nose to spite you face. There are other players and qbs who have substance abuse problems who are allowed to play. As for missing Lamont Jordan, he looked pretty good Sunday and without him and Kareem McKenzie, the Jets can't run the ball with Curtis Martin on the downside. How's that for analysis?

 

[Vertigo_17]

You QC Haters are the ones who are rediculous and drug problem or not, he can play better than a third of the starting qb's in the NFL and the coaches that don't bring him deserve to get fired when their teams don't make the playoffs.

Uh, OK? The bottom line is that he's unemployed now and 32 GM's and HC's in this league don't see it your way.

 

[Doomsday101]

You QC Haters are the ones who are rediculous and drug problem or not, he can play better than a third of the starting qb's in the NFL and the coaches that don't bring him deserve to get fired when their teams don't make the playoffs.

Uh, OK? The bottom line is that he's unemployed now and 32 GM's and HC's in this league don't see it your way.

But they are all fools and don't understand football or the QB position. LOL

 

[kartr]

QC led them to the playoffs, yet he's still available. Go figure.

Teams that have drug-free qbs that can't play are shunning a qb who can play, but has a drug problem that's not overwhelming(never missed a regular season game because of it). When those coaches lose they're jobs at seasons end, they might be second-guessing themselves.

 

[Doomsday101]

Teams that have drug-free qbs that can't play are shunning a qb who can play, but has a drug problem that's not overwhelming(never missed a regular season game because of it). When those coaches lose they're jobs at seasons end, they might be second-guessing themselves.

He didn't? is that why he blew town during the playoffs last year? Sorry you did say regular season game. LOL

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Teams that have drug-free qbs that can't play are shunning a qb who can play, but has a drug problem that's not overwhelming(never missed a regular season game because of it). When those coaches lose they're jobs at seasons end, they might be second-guessing themselves.

"Never missed a regular season game because of it" - what sophistry.

How many times need it be pointed out in the PLAYOFFS the man was nowhere to be found? Carter justified Bill and Jerry's judgment that he could not be trusted and kicked in the teeth the two men who foolishly gave him a second chance - Herm Edwards and Terry Bradway, who if reports are correct, didn't even consider bringing Q back to burn 'em again.

Yes, Quincy is 100 times the QB Bollinger is, and even stoned out of his gourd probably at least Vin's equal these days (no big kudos - VT being on the cusp of 42 and having no offseason/preseason rigorous level of readiness to draw on this week).

But if you want to see full force "desperation", in an NFL fanbase or an FO, just imagine one even contemplating entrusting Quincy Carter with as much as water boy duties again. The man proved in NY he cannot be trusted to stay straight.

I'd prefer to see the clueless Bollinger who values both his membership in the elite club of the NFL and his green and white uni under center than Carter, who TWICE threw away the chances of a lifetime.

Believe it, no one, no HC or GM, is gonna lose his job because he failed to sign Quincy Carter. (especially in NY, where the double whammy of losing Penny and Fiedler on the same day mitigates even future coaching errors this season - when it comes to the hot seat, Herm got taken OFF when he lost his 1 and 2 QBs. Now a .500 record is gonna look like phenomenal coaching)

Whatever upgrade Q would represent on the field is more than overcome by his unreliability, dishonesty, ingratitiude, poor influence, and general lack of character.

When Mother Teresa Edwards gives up on a player, he is a sad case. Herm is a master of tough love with cookies. Take into consderation the Jets support of post-Titans Josh Evans thru his drug problems, signing a guy one step away from a 'permanent' ban. Evans was both contrite and publically fighting his addiction, but still slipped in NY, twice filing and once winning a false test battle...every step of the way the Jets organization was supportive of both the player and the man...with Josh's rehabilitation as important a goal as his bolstering the D. It was pure social work in many aspects , and very few teams will take the time or have the inclination to 'save' a player who is not a front line star.

But then again, for all his drug problems, Evans was an on the field leader, beloved by team mates and fans. Carter most certainly had no such locker room or field presence.

The Jets not wanting Q back speaks much more of Carter's level of desperation than the teams'. As for the fanbase, there are still enough fanatical VTers stuck back in '98 to once again move easily from desperation to delusion.

 

[Vertigo_17]

Teams that have drug-free qbs that can't play are shunning a qb who can play, but has a drug problem that's not overwhelming(never missed a regular season game because of it). When those coaches lose they're jobs at seasons end, they might be second-guessing themselves.

...unemployed because they didn't sign Quincy Carter?

are you for real?

 

[FolsomCowboy]

best thing about Vinny being signed to the jets is, in the unfortunate case that Bledsoe goes down, BP will not be able to bring Vinnie back, thus one of our younger QB's will have to play

I dont know about that, I hear Ray Lucas is available

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

I dont know about that, I hear Ray Lucas is available

dear God, NO!

 

[LaTunaNostra]

dear God, NO!

LOL

Don't worry.

Ray's gone into broadcasting.

And even if he hadn't gone to the booth, his back is screwed up bigtime, so there's one old Parcells Guy whose spectre you need not fear.

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

ok, good. a close friend of mine is a Jets fan and he would cuss like crazy when Lucas would have to play. of course, he's torn up about Pennington gone and Vinny being back.

 

[kartr]

"Never missed a regular season game because of it" - what sophistry.

How many times need it be pointed out in the PLAYOFFS the man was nowhere to be found? Carter justified Bill and Jerry's judgment that he could not be trusted and kicked in the teeth the two men who foolishly gave him a second chance - Herm Edwards and Terry Bradway, who if reports are correct, didn't even consider bringing Q back to burn 'em again.

Yes, Quincy is 100 times the QB Bollinger is, and even stoned out of his gourd probably at least Vin's equal these days (no big kudos - VT being on the cusp of 42 and having no offseason/preseason rigorous level of readiness to draw on this week).

But if you want to see full force "desperation", in an NFL fanbase or an FO, just imagine one even contemplating entrusting Quincy Carter with as much as water boy duties again. The man proved in NY he cannot be trusted to stay straight.

I'd prefer to see the clueless Bollinger who values both his membership in the elite club of the NFL and his green and white uni under center than Carter, who TWICE threw away the chances of a lifetime.

Believe it, no one, no HC or GM, is gonna lose his job because he failed to sign Quincy Carter. (especially in NY, where the double whammy of losing Penny and Fiedler on the same day mitigates even future coaching errors this season - when it comes to the hot seat, Herm got taken OFF when he lost his 1 and 2 QBs. Now a .500 record is gonna look like phenomenal coaching)

Whatever upgrade Q would represent on the field is more than overcome by his unreliability, dishonesty, ingratitiude, poor influence, and general lack of character.

When Mother Teresa Edwards gives up on a player, he is a sad case. Herm is a master of tough love with cookies. Take into consderation the Jets support of post-Titans Josh Evans thru his drug problems, signing a guy one step away from a 'permanent' ban. Evans was both contrite and publically fighting his addiction, but still slipped in NY, twice filing and once winning a false test battle...every step of the way the Jets organization was supportive of both the player and the man...with Josh's rehabilitation as important a goal as his bolstering the D. It was pure social work in many aspects , and very few teams will take the time or have the inclination to 'save' a player who is not a front line star.

But then again, for all his drug problems, Evans was an on the field leader, beloved by team mates and fans. Carter most certainly had no such locker room or field presence.

The Jets not wanting Q back speaks much more of Carter's level of desperation than the teams'. As for the fanbase, there are still enough fanatical VTers stuck back in '98 to once again move easily from desperation to delusion.

Once again, the bottom line is winning and Carter has done that. Most NFL players have their warts(see Ray Lewis and Leonard Little), yet are allowed second,third and even fourth chances. Many teams, the Jets included started out the season with horrific qb situations(the Jets,Ravens,Dolphins,Bears,Cardinals,etc). If you don't have nothing at qb to begin with, bringing in Carter who will give you a fighting chance even with his warts is a better option than not having on the team. If he fails to stay clean or is ineffective you've only paid him the league minimum anyway and since you wouldn't have won without him, it's worth the chance. If he stays clean and is effective, you saved your job. I don't hear much outrage about the other players who've done much worse than Carter and don't hear much outrage about other people in our society who work in more important fields than sports being given more opportunities. How is it that Q's transgressions get more hate than others that have done so much more wrong. This team was 13-10 in his last 23 starts here, but only 8-12 without him since his departure, that says volumes about where this team is headed.

 

[Doomsday101]

Once again, the bottom line is winning and Carter has done that. Most NFL players have their warts(see Ray Lewis and Leonard Little), yet are allowed second,third and even fourth chances. Many teams, the Jets included started out the season with horrific qb situations(the Jets,Ravens,Dolphins,Bears,Cardinals,etc). If you don't have nothing at qb to begin with, bringing in Carter who will give you a fighting chance even with his warts is a better option than not having on the team. If he fails to stay clean or is ineffective you've only paid him the league minimum anyway and since you wouldn't have won without him, it's worth the chance. If he stays clean and is effective, you saved your job. I don't hear much outrage about the other players who've done much worse than Carter and don't hear much outrage about other people in our society who work in more important fields than sports being given more opportunities. How is it that Q's transgressions get more hate than others that have done so much more wrong. This team was 13-10 in his last 23 starts here, but only 8-12 without him since his departure, that says volumes about where this team is headed.

Well then go cheer for the team Carter is currently playing on. No one want a QB with a drug problem leading their team.

 

[kartr]

...unemployed because they didn't sign Quincy Carter?

are you for real?

He's a qb with a winning record and a playoff qb at that. Neither Bledsoe or Vinny have winning records and they haven't taken a team to the playoffs in more than half a decade. And that is the 'real' truth, like it or not. Carter also beat both Vinny and Drew head to head in 2003, plus McNabb,Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins, plus first round qbs Joey Harrington and Patrick Ramsey.
Is that real enough for you?

 

[blindzebra]

Even Herm Edwards admitted they couldn't have made the playoffs without QC.
Without him they would have won only 8 games which was one less than Baltimore and Buffalo which would have disqualified them for the playoffs. You see Brooks Bollinger has been replaced after one start he was so bad. QC had a qb rating of 98 in the games he played, so you're saying that wouldn't help a team to win. You QC Haters are the ones who are rediculous and drug problem or not, he can play better than a third of the starting qb's in the NFL and the coaches that don't bring him deserve to get fired when their teams don't make the playoffs. That's really smart, cutting off your nose to spite you face. There are other players and qbs who have substance abuse problems who are allowed to play. As for missing Lamont Jordan, he looked pretty good Sunday and without him and Kareem McKenzie, the Jets can't run the ball with Curtis Martin on the downside. How's that for analysis?

The bar has been raised, kudos.

What part of this don't you understand? No team will touch him, why?

Denny Green was rumored to have Carter on his draft board, Warner goes down and does he call Carter? Nope, he picks up Davey.

The Jets don't loose one QB, but two QBs with starting experience and all they have left is Bollinger, but do they call Quincy? Nope, it's Vinny T to the rescue.

Hell, people are talking to Jeff George and Ryan Leif and nobody is calling Carter, hmmm.

You want to know why? Carter was facing a 4 game suspension because of what he pulled with NY. Quincy's brilliant plan, I'll retire. Well the NFL sees through such things and counts that as another strike, so now the great Quincy Carter is facing a year suspension.

Carter's NFL career is likely over. It is not some elaborate scheme concocted by racist haters that ended his career, either.

You want to no who is to blame? Quincy Carter.

I suppose we could hold all those that put him on that pedestal and always held him blameless and without fault as feeding his self-destructive ways.