CFZ Jets Matchup and What We Have Learned from the Giants

[blueblood70]

X being better or equal to Y is not an opinion when you are using actual quantities. When you are using terms like better or equal then it is an opinion.

actually it's a fact 100% their defense was better than ours last year.. and after watching last week i'd say....od or better than they were last year....

Our d was ranked around 7, there's was fourth.

After ranking last in 2021, the Jets' defense ranked 4thby the end of the 2022 season. Much of that credit is due to the play of Quinnen Williams (12 sacks and 2 forced fumbles), the cornerback combination of DJ Reed and Sauce Gardner (who also won DROY); and a linebacker room led by C.J. Mosley.May 19, 2023

another fact the reason we were not ranked higher is stopping ghe run was an issue and continued in the 1st qtr last week, and they run the ball effectively. breece hall 12 yards per carry 127 yards, they also have dalvin cook and again the interior offensive line.. so given it's their strength against our weakness, they're willing to do it all game long. i'd say it's far more than an opinion, expect it this week and we better be prepared....

by the way they're defense last year ranked #2 in points allowed we ranked #6.. so again, their defense was better than ours and they still look like that this year.. and by the way looking at last week they played a better opponent than we did and created havoc.

 

[visionary]

It will be a defensive battle, but our Offense is much better than theirs. Imagine if we trade Rush to the Jets for a good round pick.

Rush is way more valuable to us than a rd 3/4 pick

They can have Trey Lance for a 2

 

[blueblood70]

Games aren’t decided by who runs the ball better in modern football. In fact, if you run for 150+ yards but your QB has a QBR below 60 you are more likely to lose by 2+ scores than to win the game by any amount.

The Jets only path to victory is hoping the opposing team’s passing game is very poor and gives them multiple turnovers. They can run the ball and play defense all they want, the data shows they’ll almost always lose if the opposing QB outperforms Zach Wilson.

it does if their run game is their strength against our perceived weakness is in our run defense, we did see that again in lasty weeks 1st qtr. it also matters when your quarterbacking is not great and use the run game to protect him, shorten the game and you play great defense as well.. so we're not talking about just a strong run game but great defense , good special teams and great coaching.

we literally struggled against those games and teams willing to stick with the run game most of the game. i mean the Tennessee titans end up going to an afc championship game playing just like that..same with Jacksonville with Bortles. so this is pretty recent history...

 

[visionary]

If the Cowboys make the Jets start every drive on their side of the field, they likely won’t make it beyond the Cowboys’ forty more than twice—in my opinion.

Sure, they can run the ball if they want. They might even run it well. But there’s no correlation between running well and winning.

Cannot agree with this at all
An effective run game with a top defense can make a decent QB look good
Look no further than the current 49ers, Philly, Steelers with early Big Ben, Ravens SBs, Pats with a young Brady and on and on
This myth needs to go away

 

[TequilaCowboy]

The only way Dallas can blow this game is if the offense implodes and gives the Jets cheap points. The defense will do its job and grind Wilson down like they did Jones. I expect a 20 point win. C'mon Boys, don't let me down. ...

 

[kevm3]

We can't expect what the D-line did against Daniel Jones every week and we won't get all of those turnovers. I feel as this is a game where Dak will have to turn it up and move the ball while limiting turnovers. It was the turnovers that really did Josh Allen in.

 

[Denim Chicken]

They do things that runs right into our weakness which is run the football they're patient they play special teams and have very good coaches.

I'm not convinced our run defense a weakness. We pretty much shut down the run in the Giants game.

People are talking about NY's first drive as evidence of something, but it was just broken plays with Jones scrambling. That is not a sustainable offense.

 

[blueblood70]

I'm not convinced our run defense a weakness. We pretty much shut down the run in the Giants game.

People are talking about NY's first drive as evidence of something, but it was just broken plays with Jones scrambling. That is not a sustainable offense.

actually we didn't they got past happy a couple of drives in a rows and that's what got them in trouble.. the jets are the type of team that won't be afraid to run the ball 35 times..

 

[dmq]

Unfortunately, I don't think we can read too much into what we saw in the Giants game except that you don't want to be forced into a passing game against the Cowboys.

 

[Denim Chicken]

actually we didn't they got past happy a couple of drives in a rows and that's what got them in trouble.. the jets are the type of team that won't be afraid to run the ball 35 times..

And they can go right ahead. Outside of one big run by Hall, their running game didn't do anything against an inferior front. Cook went for 2.5 a clip.

 

[RS12]

Run to the right side.

 

[StarLord]

Rush is way more valuable to us than a rd 3/4 pick

They can have Trey Lance for a 2

I say this.. somewhat jokingly, but are you aware of what we do with 2nd round picks?!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

actually it's a fact 100% their defense was better than ours last year.. and after watching last week i'd say....od or better than they were last year....

Our d was ranked around 7, there's was fourth.

After ranking last in 2021, the Jets' defense ranked 4thby the end of the 2022 season. Much of that credit is due to the play of Quinnen Williams (12 sacks and 2 forced fumbles), the cornerback combination of DJ Reed and Sauce Gardner (who also won DROY); and a linebacker room led by C.J. Mosley.May 19, 2023

another fact the reason we were not ranked higher is stopping ghe run was an issue and continued in the 1st qtr last week, and they run the ball effectively. breece hall 12 yards per carry 127 yards, they also have dalvin cook and again the interior offensive line.. so given it's their strength against our weakness, they're willing to do it all game long. i'd say it's far more than an opinion, expect it this week and we better be prepared....

by the way they're defense last year ranked #2 in points allowed we ranked #6.. so again, their defense was better than ours and they still look like that this year.. and by the way looking at last week they played a better opponent than we did and created havoc.

Yards rankings don't mean much to me. Turnovers and sacks do where we led and currently lead the league.

Williams is great. Giants have two DL of similar stature and a lot more talent besides with Robinson and Reed. Giants have better edge talent.

Mosely is good but he doesn't run exceptionally well and relies on instincts and physicality. Giants overall are even at LB particularly once you consider range.

IMO the Giants have a more talented and deeper front 7.

I have already conceded the Jets have much better corners. You are not arguing S is a wash.

As for rankings this is this year not last and we added Gilmore, Mazi, and a full year of Hankins over last years ranking. What did the Jets do to improve?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not convinced our run defense a weakness. We pretty much shut down the run in the Giants game.

People are talking about NY's first drive as evidence of something, but it was just broken plays with Jones scrambling. That is not a sustainable offense.

It took them 5 plays to start 2 gapping over the guards and their run game disappeared. Outside of that was contain because we were stunting our edges inside and playing man behind it at the same time. We stopped doing those at the same time and that was cleaned up.

Not only can we stop the run we can make adjustments on the fly within series to counter what the offense is doing to run the ball.

 

[Praxit]

..only way we lose, if Dak falls down getting out of elevator or Micah gets taken hostage. ...

 

[Eddie]

Cowboys 27
Jets 13

That was the exact score I told my coworker this morning.

 

[pugilist]

this is a textbook "stop the run first" game

Breece Hall looked dangerous Monday night

 

[blueblood70]

Yards rankings don't mean much to me. Turnovers and sacks do where we led and currently lead the league.

Williams is great. Giants have two DL of similar stature and a lot more talent besides with Robinson and Reed. Giants have better edge talent.

Mosely is good but he doesn't run exceptionally well and relies on instincts and physicality. Giants overall are even at LB particularly once you consider range.

IMO the Giants have a more talented and deeper front 7.

I have already conceded the Jets have much better corners. You are not arguing S is a wash.

As for rankings this is this year not last and we added Gilmore, Mazi, and a full year of Hankins over last years ranking. What did the Jets do to improve?

i don't see it that way


so let's agree to disagree and move on.. trust me we're about to find out Sunday just how good that defense is and how team is winning to run 30+ times to play keep away ie very paitint with low scroing games. that's NOT OUR STRENGTH when our defense proves it can overcome that type of team ill be sold.

.... you remember that game against Denver couple years back...?. let's underestimate A-team and find out about the shock after a loss because fans think they have a clue on what's going to happen.... i'm telling you they're defense is as good or better than ours... apparently you also missed some games like the colts and the Texans last year. yes, i realized the fourth quarter went crazy but that's not how the 1st 3 QTRS went..

Wait I got a great way to figure this out, that last Washington game last year should have not been like that and they have that type of defense as well.. They also ran the ball well.. They didn't have much of A quarterback going into the game either... The Jets are a better team than Washington but very close come if you want something to compare what we will see with the jets.

In the much recent past we have struggled against those teams...

 

[StarOfGlory]

The Jets interior oline is better than what the Giants put out there but their tackles are not. Andrew Thomas was second team All Pro and we embarrassed him. If they try to pass without establishing the run first Micah and company are going to feast. Tomlinson, AVT, and to a much lesser extent McGovern are where the Jets oline talent resides. Hankins, Osa, Mazi, Golston, and Gallimore need to continue to play well. If they do, we will dominate the LOS.

Wilson is a talented young receiver but Diggs, Gallimore, Bland, and the S crew have the ability and experience to handle that corps.

The Cowboys on offense is where the matchups are more evenly matched. I just want to reiterate that as talented as Williams and co are up front, they are not as talented as Lawrence, Williams, and co. Similarly Mosely is excellent, the Jets LB as a group are not as talented as Ojulari, McFadden, and Simmons.

If Smith returns we should be able to get consistent push in the run game. If he doesn't, I think we will hold our own up front like we did against the Giants front. Our blocking on the perimeter was excellent between the tackles and TE.

The Jets and Giants have a talented S and then not so much. The real difference between the to squads is the Jets corner talent particularly in Gardner. The Bills WR were able to get some completions against him and our WR are better but I couldn't count on a repeat. Winning in the middle of the field is going to be key. We are going to need to continue to do a good job of playing find the scrub to take advantage of matchups and most importantly our TE simply have to play better in the passing game.

Ferguson and Hendershot showed that they could get open. They did not show they could catch the ball. League leading drops are on them. The rain and plastic gloves were contributing factors but they simply need to concentrate better and I hope they are spending extra time on the jugs machine to get ready.

Overall the Jets are coming off an emotional overtime win where they went from top to bottom 10 in QB talent. We will be at home with all the momentum in the world.

Cowboys 27
Jets 13

Thomas pulled a hammy early in the game but kept playing. The Giants have total trash for o-line depth.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Cannot agree with this at all
An effective run game with a top defense can make a decent QB look good
Look no further than the current 49ers, Philly, Steelers with early Big Ben, Ravens SBs, Pats with a young Brady and on and on
This myth needs to go away

It’s not a myth. It’s an empirically corroborated fact.