CFZ Jets Matchup and What We Have Learned from the Giants

[Whirlwin]

The bills thought it was game over to people. Underestimate no one in the NFL.

 

[Whirlwin]

I still don’t believe we can stop the RUN consistently

 

[Mr_437]

I think the Jets pass rusher and LB group are impressive, so the TEs n RBs have to outplay those guys. Also the OTs have to deal with the Jets edge guys who are young and talented...Will McDonald, Jermaine Johnson and Carl Lawson.

Jets gameplan will be simple, run as much as you can, so the QB doesn't have to throw. Jets will lean on their defense. Key for Dallas is to jump out with a lead to for Zach Wilson to throw.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Three statements to look at here:

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Three seems contradictory to 1 and 2 to me.

Running attempts not efficiency is what helps play action and correlates to winning.

 

[erod]

The bills thought it was game over to people. Underestimate no one in the NFL.

The Bills were overrated last year and are now in decline. Josh Allen is regressing. Key players are aging, and there are holes in many places.

I think the Dolphins win that division, and the Bills will be fortunate to make the playoffs. The Dolphins and Jets were going to fight it out in that division, but obviously that's changed.

 

[TWOK11]

it does if their run game is their strength against our perceived weakness is in our run defense

Statistically speaking this is incorrect. In modern football your ability to stop the run is the single least important aspect of your team from a predictive metric standpoint.

 

[Whirlwin]

The Bills were overrated last year and are now in decline. Josh Allen is regressing. Key players are aging, and there are holes in many places.

I think the Dolphins win that division, and the Bills will be fortunate to make the playoffs. The Dolphins and Jets were going to fight it out in that division, but obviously that's changed.

I think the bills are a lot better than you think. I agree with you about the dolphins.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think the Jets pass rusher and LB group are impressive, so the TEs n RBs have to outplay those guys. Also the OTs have to deal with the Jets edge guys who are young and talented...Will McDonald, Jermaine Johnson and Carl Lawson.

Jets gameplan will be simple, run as much as you can, so the QB doesn't have to throw. Jets will lean on their defense. Key for Dallas is to jump out with a lead to for Zach Wilson to throw.

Lawson is the best of the bunch and he had 8.5 sacks 5 years ago. He is hurt with a back injury. He wouldn't start on our team and is similar to Fowler.

The other two have done nothing like Johnson's 2.5 sacks last year. McDonald cannot even get on the field much even with Lawson's injury at this point in his career.

 

[Mr_437]

Lawson is the best of the bunch and he had 8.5 sacks 5 years ago. He is hurt with a back injury. He wouldn't start on our team and is similar to Fowler.

The other two have done nothing like Johnson's 2.5 sacks last year. McDonald cannot even get on the field much even with Lawson's injury at this point in his career.

This makes me feel more confident, but I liked Johnson n McDonald in the draft.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This makes me feel more confident, but I liked Johnson n McDonald in the draft.

They are not bad prospects and Lawson is a solid edge much like Fowler is. They are just young players who have to develop. FWIW, Johnson managed a sack on Monday.

 

[blueblood70]

The Jets won those 7 games with a combination of Flacco, Moore, and Wilson. The fan base turned on Wilson so they had to deactivate him. Less than a year ago Hall tore his ACL. They are coming off a short week against a non AFC opponent with an elite defense on the road. Hall at best might get 10 carries. They plugged holes for Rodgers not Wilson.

I'm telling you don't underestimate the fact that Zach Wilson could have grown up a little this offseason and his team got better because the acquisitions made because of Aaron Rodgers and you're getting a Bryce hall that just showed his explosiveness and why he's one of the best backs in the league and then you have cooks to back him up and you have receivers and you have a great defense great special teams and great coaching again you're underestimating this team is different from last year.. I remember Blake Bortles got to an AFC championship game I remember how good The Jets were even with a guy like Mark Sanchez at quarterback because of how good their defense was I remember many teams that should have never been in a big game in winning because of all the other pieces around a average quarterback... It is why a guy like Nick Foles can win a Super Bowl and many others like him Trent dilfer Brad Johnson I mean you can go all the way back to the 85 bears I mean if you think that quarterback was any good at all you weren't paying attention they had a strong run game great defense and they won a lot of games because of it all Zach Wilson needs to do is be Cooper rush or slightly better and they can beat any team if they stay patient...

They literally are the type of team the Cowboys struggle with when they can commit to a strong run game no matter how low the score stays all game and wait for you to make a mistake that's the type of team they are and our team hates that we are a strong pass rush team but we have not proven that we can commit to a patient game against a team that will run all game and wait for you to make the mistakes...
I'm not saying we're gonna lose this game we should win the game I'm just telling you don't underestimate what type of team they can be because we've seen it in the past if the quarterback has improved enough and doesn't go make the big mistakes they can win quite a few games this year...

 

[baltcowboy]

I'm telling you don't underestimate the fact that Zach Wilson could have grown up a little this offseason and his team got better because the acquisitions made because of Aaron Rodgers and you're getting a Bryce hall that just showed his explosiveness and why he's one of the best backs in the league and then you have cooks to back him up and you have receivers and you have a great defense great special teams and great coaching again you're underestimating this team is different from last year.. I remember Blake Bortles got to an AFC championship game I remember how good The Jets were even with a guy like Mark Sanchez at quarterback because of how good their defense was I remember many teams that should have never been in a big game in winning because of all the other pieces around a average quarterback... It is why a guy like Nick Foles can win a Super Bowl and many others like him Trent dilfer Brad Johnson I mean you can go all the way back to the 85 bears I mean if you think that quarterback was any good at all you weren't paying attention they had a strong run game great defense and they won a lot of games because of it all Zach Wilson needs to do is be Cooper rush or slightly better and they can beat any team if they stay patient...

They literally are the type of team the Cowboys struggle with when they can commit to a strong run game no matter how low the score stays all game and wait for you to make a mistake that's the type of team they are and our team hates that we are a strong pass rush team but we have not proven that we can commit to a patient game against a team that will run all game and wait for you to make the mistakes...
I'm not saying we're gonna lose this game we should win the game I'm just telling you don't underestimate what type of team they can be because we've seen it in the past if the quarterback has improved enough and doesn't go make the big mistakes they can win quite a few games this year...

I will say this, I don’t think the Jets are going to put Wilson in harms way. The Jets have an elite defense but coaching is suspect and their offensive talent is limited. They were very Rodgers dependent. I was looking forward to ending the Rodgers curse because their pass blocking is worse then the Giants.

Let’s not give flowers to our opponents anymore we have a bully for a defense now. The defense want to be all time great. We are coming for the Jets Sunday!!!!!

 

[blueblood70]

I will say this, I don’t think the Jets are going to put Wilson in harms way. The Jets have an elite defense but coaching is suspect and their offensive talent is limited. They were very Rodgers dependent. I was looking forward to ending the Rodgers curse because their pass blocking is worse then the Giants.

Let’s not give flowers to our opponents anymore we have a bully for a defense now. The defense want to be all time great. We are coming for the Jets Sunday!!!!!

And I disagree time to move on until after the game.....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm telling you don't underestimate the fact that Zach Wilson could have grown up a little this offseason and his team got better because the acquisitions made because of Aaron Rodgers and you're getting a Bryce hall that just showed his explosiveness and why he's one of the best backs in the league and then you have cooks to back him up and you have receivers and you have a great defense great special teams and great coaching again you're underestimating this team is different from last year.. I remember Blake Bortles got to an AFC championship game I remember how good The Jets were even with a guy like Mark Sanchez at quarterback because of how good their defense was I remember many teams that should have never been in a big game in winning because of all the other pieces around a average quarterback... It is why a guy like Nick Foles can win a Super Bowl and many others like him Trent dilfer Brad Johnson I mean you can go all the way back to the 85 bears I mean if you think that quarterback was any good at all you weren't paying attention they had a strong run game great defense and they won a lot of games because of it all Zach Wilson needs to do is be Cooper rush or slightly better and they can beat any team if they stay patient...

They literally are the type of team the Cowboys struggle with when they can commit to a strong run game no matter how low the score stays all game and wait for you to make a mistake that's the type of team they are and our team hates that we are a strong pass rush team but we have not proven that we can commit to a patient game against a team that will run all game and wait for you to make the mistakes...
I'm not saying we're gonna lose this game we should win the game I'm just telling you don't underestimate what type of team they can be because we've seen it in the past if the quarterback has improved enough and doesn't go make the big mistakes they can win quite a few games this year...

There is nothing to indicate that Wilson can bus drive like Dilfer and co. Wilson's issues have been centered around not being able to read defenses and making stupid throws into coverage and turning the ball over. The interception he threw in the first half on Monday showed that has not changed. The man was covered, he was staring it down, and the coverage over the top was right there.

Then you consider that he has been getting backup snaps in practice all offseason, it's not like they are going ot make up for all that lack of preparation on a short week.

The game plan is simple, stop the run and bring an extra man down if you have to, and pass rush him when they pass.

 

[baltcowboy]

And I disagree time to move on until after the game.....

Nothing wrong with disagreeing. We are mature Cowboy fans.

 

[jterrell]

you are way underrating the jets offense and that Interior OL with their ability to run the football, want to stick with and run the football to keep the low-risk clock eating score lowering philosophy that the NYG did not have the patience for?
ohh by the way their defense is just as suffocating and as big time as ours....

you mentioned S.Gardner but the other dude had three interceptions. Ol . and that's against the quarterback most here have in the top five... the cowboys better find a stronger run game and the ability to run more or they will force the ball into the air and make you pay.

The Jets are not good. They had one of the league's worst offenses last year (29th in points) and won't be much better unless Zach Wilson takes major strides or they trade for a QB.
If we get ahead by more than 7 the game is essentially over.

Defensively, they are very sound but do not have anything particularly scary beyond Sauce Gardner. They should win a fair amount over our LG spot but we will be fine along the rest of the line.
Vegas doesn't get much wrong and the line is Dallas by a massive 9.5 points.

Dallas has to dial in and avoid a trap game but are clearly the better team as they will be most weeks so long as they stay relatively healthy.

Quinn will play to stop the run and let the CBs and Safeties feast on any Wilson throws.
Offensively Dallas will likely stay balanced with plenty of TE work and a few deep shots opposite Gardner complemented by Pollard off tackle and Dowdle up the middle.

 

[jterrell]

It's not an opinion they've been playing for two straight years now with the defense have been getting better and better just like ours.. It's literally been on full display... Again some of you were acting like the giants fans were before they played us.. You're underrating their team and overrating ours.

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm gonna tell you this just because Aaron Rodgers went down doesn't change this game as far as the rest of their game goes.. They do things that runs right into our weakness which is run the football they're patient they play special teams and have very good coaches.. Those types of teams have given our defense problems.. They're not gonna stand back there like the giants did and put Zach Wilson in a position where he could have a bad game like that.. They might run the ball 30 times on us is our team ready for that? I can tell you going by last year they were not and I can tell you by going by the first quarter against the giants they were not..

ROFL, if you feel this way simply bet the game.
Every sports book will give you insane odds.

 

[blueblood70]

ROFL, if you feel this way simply bet the game.
Every sports book will give you insane odds.

First of all dude don't tell me what I should and shouldn't do here's the deal I don't bet on sports I don't play fantasy football I don't play Madden I watch games and I watch how they play and I'm telling you my gut feeling is it's gonna be a dirty game their defense is great... But you can go ahead and bet on games I've never I've been a gambler if I go to Vegas I'm there for the other things..

So what all these other dudes on ESPN talk show radio social media content creators get to talk about the game and their feelings and their gut but when I'm telling you mine you're telling me I should just bet like I'm guessing what's gonna happen like nostradamus no not guessing the outcome I'm telling you the tenor of the game would it possibly is gonna be because I watched them play last year and people are underestimating this team just because of their quarterback..

What it is what all these other people have done online on TV is give their feeling about the game but somehow you don't like mine.. And by the way lastly to add to that comment that I stand behind 100% I believe we'd have been better off facing Aaron Rodgers because we would have known they would have tried to pass the ball more and that is our defensive strength is the pass rush and I think that it would have been better for us because he would take more chances with the football against our pass rush now we have to worry about them running the ball 30 times and playing strong defense and shortening the game... Sorry that's not trying to tell the future that's actually looking at what they did last year looking what they did in game one and telling you my feelings about this game I'm sorry that it bothers you but you ain't backing me off..

 

[Kevinicus]

It’s not. A team with with a poor running game can win consistently as long as it passes efficiently. A team with a poor passing game cannot win consistently no matter how well it runs.

This is why Brady, Manning, and Rodgers can win Super Bowls with running backs you’ve never heard of. And Adrian Petersen and Derrick Henry have never been to one.

That doesn't make the statements less contradictory.

All it does is say that IF you can still do A, despite B, you can win, and IF you can't do A despite C, then you probably won't.
If running helps passing efficiency, and passing efficiency is what leads to winning, then running contributes to winning. But, that being true doesn't mean that just because you run well that it will help ENOUGH to win. And it doesn't mean you can't be so good at passing efficiency that you can't get buy without it.

If you're argument is that running in and of itself is what helps, and not necessarily running *well*, then I would agree...to an extent.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

That doesn't make the statements less contradictory.

All it does is say that IF you can still do A, despite B, you can win, and IF you can't do A despite C, then you probably won't.
If running helps passing efficiency, and passing efficiency is what leads to winning, then running contributes to winning. But, that being true doesn't mean that just because you run well that it will help ENOUGH to win. And it doesn't mean you can't be so good at passing efficiency that you can't get buy without it.

If you're argument is that running in and of itself is what helps, and not necessarily running *well*, then I would agree...to an extent.

It does, though. In the aggregate, there’s no evidence running efficiency helps passing efficiency. Outside the aggregate—that is, at the level of a specific quarterback—you might find evidence that running helps limit pass attempts to a number—say, 20–that maximizes his passing efficiency. Beyond this number, he may become inefficient.

Obviously, the more efficiently you can run it, the less your quarterback has to throw it. But this isn’t true for every quarterback. Limiting prime Aaron Rodgers to 20 attempts would be stupid.