JG Offense Versus Top 5 Defenses

[AdamJT13]

His defense won a SB not him. Just because he has won a SB doesn't mean he is a good QB.

Brad Johnson's 2003 Stats (The year he won the SB)

TD-26
INTs-21
YARDS-3811
62.1 completion %
sacked 20 times
6 fumbles

Benched after 4 games the next year (2004) :laugh2:

If you're saying those were Brad Johnson's stats during the season in which he won the Super Bowl (which is what you seem to be saying), then you're mistaken. He won the Super Bowl in 2003, which means it was at the end of the 2002 season, when he put up these stats --

Games-13
TD-22
INTs-6 (lowest INT % in the NFL)
YARDS-3049
62.3 completion %
sacked 21 times

 

[theogt]

If we're just going to use the strength of opponents argument, why not use Football Outsider's DVOA?

16th.

You can point to Romo's injuries, but they're the result of horrid O-line play, which last I checked falls at the feet of the offensive coordinator.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Stats are objective people are not.

 

[Quarterback Coach]

Thought this was interesting.

Dallas played the the #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5 rated defenses in the NFL. Wanted to see how Dallas compared.

#1 Defense Pittsburgh - Dallas put up 289 yards. Only Indy with 290, and the Titans with 322 did better. Not to mention we did that horrible weather is worth noting.

#2 Defense Baltimore - Dallas put up 327 yards. Only Indy with 334, Miami with 359, Houston with 355, and NY with 353 yards did better.

#3 Defense Philly - Dallas put up 380 and 298 yards. Only 2 teams did better than 380 yards and that was Washington with 388 and NY Giants with 401. With the next bar being 298 yards only the Falcons did better with 335 yards.

#4 Defense Washington - Dallas put up 344 and 315 yards. Only NY Giants with 354, NY Giants with 404, and 49ers with 359 did better than Dallas 344.
With the next bar being 315 only the teams already mentioned above did better than 315.

#5 Defense NY Giants - Dallas put up 321 yards (Sorry not taking into account a Brad Johnson led offense). Only Cinncy with 347 yards, Brown with 454 yards, Cardinals with 371 yards, Eagles with 331 yards, Panthers with 343, and Vikings with 328 did better.

So we played the #1 defense once, the #2 defense once, the #3 defense twice, the #4 defense twice, and the #5 defense twice. Half of our games came against the top 5 defenses in the NFL.

Romo missed 3 games, Barber our starting RB essentially missed the last 4 games, our second string RB missed from week seven on, and we lost our starting Guard and replaced him with 'Ole Procter and Dallas still finished 13 in offensive yardage in the NFL.

The only stat that counts...3-5 against those numbers.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Tons of those yards were garbage time, when we were actually able to move the ball.

 

[Beast_from_East]

After reading everybody's post here, I think we can all come to a couple of reasonable conclusions.

1. We scored what most team scored against the very top defenses.

2. We racked up more yardage than points, due to both turnovers and soft defense.

3. We had to play without a QB for 3 games when Romo was out and that skews the averages.

Overall: We basically are an average offense and the numbers back that up. So Garrett is not the worst OC in the NFL, but that is not the issue. The main issue I have is that 8 of our 11 starters on offense have been to a probowl. Thats right, 8/11 guys are probowlers.

That is getting close to being an all-star lineup and we should be 1st or 2nd in the NFL in points scored with this type of talent. So basically, we have an all-star offense that scores like an average offense.

What does this mean when you play below you talent level???.............It means your coaching sucks 9 times out of 10.

What do I mean by bad coaching???......I mean letting the play clock tick down to 0 on almost every snap the entire game, I mean the QB having to direct traffic and get the WRs lined up on almost every play, I mean offensive lineman being confused on who to block on the protection scheme, I mean repeated false starts due to the snap count being forgotten, I mean WRs running poor routes technique wise or just wrong routes all together.

These are signs of bad coaching, not a talent disparity between you and your opponent. Now this is correctable if the coaching can improve, but the main question is can the coaching actually improve.

Garrett is getting 09 to find that out.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

- Samuel Clemens

And cliches. Don't forget cliches.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Thanks, do you have the Turnover margin handy?

Exactly.

It doesn't matter how many points we score or how many yards we get if we turn the ball as much as we did this year.

Limiting turnovers is the number one goal for this offense this year.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Cowboys average 18.7.

Steelers give up 13.9 (We scored 13)
Commanders give up 18.5 (We scored 24 & 14)
Giants give up 18.4 (We scored 20 & 14 w/ Brad Johnson)
Eagles give up 18.1 (We scored 41 & 6)
Bucs give up 20.2 (We scored 13 w/ Brad Johnson)
Ravens give up 15.3 (We scored 24)

We were pretty much right on par with every other team in the NFL...

So, taking out the 2 BJ games, we scored just over 20 points per game against Ds that give up just over 17. Not bad.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Exactly.

It doesn't matter how many points we score or how many yards we get if we turn the ball as much as we did this year.

Limiting turnovers is the number one goal for this offense this year.

Yes, it does.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Tons of those yards were garbage time, when we were actually able to move the ball.

That's true for everybody.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Whatever rank you pick, its mediocre.

Or, not bad considering the schedule and the injuries.

I certainly agree, though, that our offense wasn't nearly good enough. It didn't come through when it needed to and it way underperformed after we got Romo back.

 

[dbair1967]

However, a competent Offensive Coordinator would have scaled back the Offense.

scale it back to what? we run a fairly simple scheme already..we just have lazy or stupid players who wont work hard enough at the "little things" to make it go

Do people really think Tony Romo and the offense would struggle as much as they did in the hands of a "proven" Offensive Playcaller?

yeah, I do...because Romo's problems are his awful decision making and his "ho-hum" attitude

The fact of the matter is Jason Garrett has been called out by his Quarterback, quite a few of his receivers and even players from other teams.

the same players that want ZERO acountability when they screw up

The guy is quite simply in over his head and he never proved he was up to the job in the first place.

this is b/s...the offense was outstanding last yr...it was outstanding the first 3 or 4 games of this season, the rest of the yr it was incredibly inconsistent, but did show flashes here and there...when your team is a mistake prone turnover machine with players who wont give 100% every series thats what happens...and dont give me the Sparano crap as an explanation for 2007either, because Garrett tore up the passing game and replaced it with his, and Romo's numbers were huge because of it

 

[dbair1967]

If we're just going to use the strength of opponents argument, why not use Football Outsider's DVOA?

16th.

You can point to Romo's injuries, but they're the result of horrid O-line play, which last I checked falls at the feet of the offensive coordinator.

so where does Romo's boneheaded turnovers and teams overall poor work ethic fall?

 

[peplaw06]

There is nothing vague about it, so keep trying. The contention is quite simple. We moved the ball primarily in hurry-up, whether it was the Eagles game in which Romo committed a fumble and Barber committed a fumble, or in the end of games. Against the Ravens, 14 f our points came in the 4th quarter. For quarters 2 and 3, we had 4 first downs, 3 5 and outs, 2 2 and outs, and a couple of 5 and outs. Absolutely pathetic play-calling.

I'm watching the drive that started at 8:00 left in the 3rd quarter right now. It was 9-7 Ravens at that point. Play 1, draw to Choice for 1 yard. Play 2, Romo checks out of a passing play into another run, no gain. Play 3, Romo overthrows a wide open Miles Austin who would have scored a TD. 3 and out. Now who's fault is that?

Right after that drive, Jim Leonard returns the punt to our 40. After a first down, on 1st and 10 LeRon McClain fumbles the ball and Ken Hamlin all alone falls on it, and boots it to Derrick Mason. The Ravens then fake a FG on 4th and 6, and they end up scoring a TD in the corner of the end zone to Mason on Henry.

We get the ball back, on 1st down Romo with a clean pocket and plenty of time checks down to Choice for no gain. 2nd down, quick pass to TO for gain of 7. 3rd and 3, quick pass to RW for a first down. 1st and 10, draw to Choice for 9. 2nd and 1 another first down on draw to Choice for 6. By now we're on the Ravens 40. 1st and 10, pass to Choice for 5. 2nd and 5, run to Choice for 2. 3rd and 3, Romo on a designed sprint out of the shotgun hits RW for a first down. 1st and 10 at the 25, and Romo checks down to Choice for 5. 2nd and 5, Choice runs for 4. 3rd and 1, Romo flips a toss to Choice who bobbles it out of bounds. Would have been a 1st down had Choice caught it cleanly. Folk kicks a FG. We moved the ball down the field, and none of this was in the hurry up. Bad execution made us settle for a FG.

OMGZZZZ Garrett sucksssss1!!

We were down 16-7 in the 4th. One of the TDs in the 4th, it was no-huddle a couple of plays and a little less than 2 minute drive. Tony Romo was operating purely out of the shot-gun. The drive before that, again 3 of the plays of the 6 play drive were no huddle and a 3 minute drive. This team was operating in hurry up.

Continued from above. We didn't see the ball again until 6 minutes left in the 4th, the Ravens had scored a FG and we were down 19-10. 1st and 10 from the 30, Romo in the shotgun throws a ball to RW about 10 yards over his head after RW had run a curl. Definitely Garrett's fault . 2nd and 10, Romo throws a 9 yard sideline route to TO. Keep in mind, we're NOT in the hurry up at this point. 3rd and inches, shotgun draw to Choice for first down. False start on Colombo moves us back 5, 1st and 15... out of the huddle. Romo hits Witten down the seam for 35, down to the 22... now we run no huddle. 1st and 10, pass batted down by Suggs, no gain. Back to the huddle. 2nd and 10, Crayton makes a bobbling catch for a first down at the 7. No huddle, Romo overthrows RW in the end zone by a mile. Back to the huddle. Romo fade to TO for TD. So out of that 8 play drive, two plays out of the no huddle and Romo was 0-2 with a batted pass and a throw away.

19-17, this is when all hell breaks lose on defense.

Our next drive, down 26-17 with 3:25 left. Starts out of the huddle shotgun, Romo hurried and throws it at Choice's feet. 2nd and 10, Romo throws to RW who looks lost, looking for a PI flag. 3rd and 10, Witten for 14, no huddle. 1st and 10, Romo hurried checks down to Choice incomplete. 2nd and 10, Romo hurried throws behind Crayton incomplete. 3rd and 10, Romo to Crayton for first down to Ravens 32. No huddle... 1st and 10, Romo sacked for loss of 12. 2 minute warning. 2nd and 22, Romo hits TO for 20 on the sideline. out of bounds, in the huddle again. 3rd and 2 at Ravens 25, shotgun draw to Choice for 1st down out of bounds. 1st and 10, Romo runs around for his life in the backfield and throws an incomplete pass. 2nd and 10, Romo to Witten for TD.

Here we go again. 2 plays out of 11 in the no huddle and we lost 12 yards.

Like I said, garret can't call a game worth crap.

Do you watch the games, or do you just have an agenda and make crap up to fit your agenda??

And yes, I blame Garrett for the turn-overs. Turn-overs happen when your pressing and the offense is out-of-sync. You also reign in QBs with a running game, not trying to have him constantly make plays down field.

This says all I need to know. the "sync" of the offense has nothing to do with turnovers. It has to do with players getting careless, it's execution. That you would even attempt to blame Garrett for this just means that I know where your opinions can be placed as far as I'm concerned. That would be here....

 

[dbair1967]

I'm watching the drive that started at 8:00 left in the 3rd quarter right now. It was 9-7 Ravens at that point. Play 1, draw to Choice for 1 yard. Play 2, Romo checks out of a passing play into another run, no gain. Play 3, Romo overthrows a wide open Miles Austin who would have scored a TD. 3 and out. Now who's fault is that?

Right after that drive, Jim Leonard returns the punt to our 40. After a first down, on 1st and 10 LeRon McClain fumbles the ball and Ken Hamlin all alone falls on it, and boots it to Derrick Mason. The Ravens then fake a FG on 4th and 6, and they end up scoring a TD in the corner of the end zone to Mason on Henry.

We get the ball back, on 1st down Romo with a clean pocket and plenty of time checks down to Choice for no gain. 2nd down, quick pass to TO for gain of 7. 3rd and 3, quick pass to RW for a first down. 1st and 10, draw to Choice for 9. 2nd and 1 another first down on draw to Choice for 6. By now we're on the Ravens 40. 1st and 10, pass to Choice for 5. 2nd and 5, run to Choice for 2. 3rd and 3, Romo on a designed sprint out of the shotgun hits RW for a first down. 1st and 10 at the 25, and Romo checks down to Choice for 5. 2nd and 5, Choice runs for 4. 3rd and 1, Romo flips a toss to Choice who bobbles it out of bounds. Would have been a 1st down had Choice caught it cleanly. Folk kicks a FG. We moved the ball down the field, and none of this was in the hurry up. Bad execution made us settle for a FG.

OMGZZZZ Garrett sucksssss1!!

Continued from above. We didn't see the ball again until 6 minutes left in the 4th, the Ravens had scored a FG and we were down 19-10. 1st and 10 from the 30, Romo in the shotgun throws a ball to RW about 10 yards over his head after RW had run a curl. Definitely Garrett's fault . 2nd and 10, Romo throws a 9 yard sideline route to TO. Keep in mind, we're NOT in the hurry up at this point. 3rd and inches, shotgun draw to Choice for first down. False start on Colombo moves us back 5, 1st and 15... out of the huddle. Romo hits Witten down the seam for 35, down to the 22... now we run no huddle. 1st and 10, pass batted down by Suggs, no gain. Back to the huddle. 2nd and 10, Crayton makes a bobbling catch for a first down at the 7. No huddle, Romo overthrows RW in the end zone by a mile. Back to the huddle. Romo fade to TO for TD. So out of that 8 play drive, two plays out of the no huddle and Romo was 0-2 with a batted pass and a throw away.

19-17, this is when all hell breaks lose on defense.

Our next drive, down 26-17 with 3:25 left. Starts out of the huddle shotgun, Romo hurried and throws it at Choice's feet. 2nd and 10, Romo throws to RW who looks lost, looking for a PI flag. 3rd and 10, Witten for 14, no huddle. 1st and 10, Romo hurried checks down to Choice incomplete. 2nd and 10, Romo hurried throws behind Crayton incomplete. 3rd and 10, Romo to Crayton for first down to Ravens 32. No huddle... 1st and 10, Romo sacked for loss of 12. 2 minute warning. 2nd and 22, Romo hits TO for 20 on the sideline. out of bounds, in the huddle again. 3rd and 2 at Ravens 25, shotgun draw to Choice for 1st down out of bounds. 1st and 10, Romo runs around for his life in the backfield and throws an incomplete pass. 2nd and 10, Romo to Witten for TD.

Here we go again. 2 plays out of 11 in the no huddle and we lost 12 yards.

Do you watch the games, or do you just have an agenda and make crap up to fit your agenda??

This says all I need to know. the "sync" of the offense has nothing to do with turnovers. It has to do with players getting careless, it's execution. That you would even attempt to blame Garrett for this just means that I know where your opinions can be placed as far as I'm concerned. That would be here....

great post, but dont waste your time...its useless with some of the boneheads we have here

 

[khiladi]

I'm watching the drive that started at 8:00 left in the 3rd quarter right now. It was 9-7 Ravens at that point. Play 1, draw to Choice for 1 yard. Play 2, Romo checks out of a passing play into another run, no gain. Play 3, Romo overthrows a wide open Miles Austin who would have scored a TD. 3 and out. Now who's fault is that?

Second Quarter, first drive:

Romo to Choice, checkdown, -1 yards...
Romo to TO, deep crossing pattern, 22 yard gain
Choice, 3 yards to left
Romo throws to Choice in the falt, for no gain, because nobody is open downfield.
Romo throws incomplete to Owens.

In that drive, Garrett ran the ball once, went deep twice. Drive took a total of 2 minutes and 40 seconds. Pathetic play-calling. yeah, Garret suckes.

Prior to that drive, last drive of the first:

Romo, short pass to barber, for 7 yards on a screen pass.
Barber to the left, with Proctor blocking, for 1 yard.
Barber for a -1 yard loss.

Total time of the drive, 3 minutes. Horrible play-calling.

At 4:25 in the second:

Tony Romo, incomplete to Witten for no gain.
Choice, 2 yards running to right. dallas is in a 2nd and 10. Typical predictabily, garrett doesn't play manageable downs.
Tony Romo on an incomplete pass to Owens deep down the field.

Total time f drive, 1 minute and 15 seconds.

Again, dalls with 1:44 seconds left, dallas operating hurry-up:

TR pass to Choice, -1 yards.
2nd play, TR pass to Witten over the middle, for 8 yards
Very next play, no huddle by Romo, 9 yard gain with pass to Witten over the middle.
8 yard pass to Choice over the middle. Obviously check-down, with ravens playing the deep play.
Tony Romo, deep pass to Owens in the seam, incomplete
Next play, deep pass intended for Owens on the left, INT...


Their most yardage was gained in hurry up.. The 2nd quarter was pathetic..

 

[khiladi]

I'm watching the drive that started at 8:00 left in the 3rd quarter right now. It was 9-7 Ravens at that point. Play 1, draw to Choice for 1 yard. Play 2, Romo checks out of a passing play into another run, no gain. Play 3, Romo overthrows a wide open Miles Austin who would have scored a TD. 3 and out. Now who's fault is that?

Yor forgot what happened in the third quarter, before the 10 minute mark, where Dallas had another drive...

TR, incomplete pass to TO on first down. It was an 8 yard pass attempt. Again, Garrett tries to take a huge chunk of yardage but fails.
Choice runs 7 yards on 2nd down to the right, so it just so happened garrett puts himself in a manageable 3rd down situation, where he didn't run left. Usually, his play-calling on 2nd fails, putting the team in a 3rd and long situation. Garrett is horrible at managing field position.
3rd down, Romo scramble right, under pressure, and gains 2 yards. Most likely Garrett had sme vertical routes run, though he needed 3 yards.

Total time of that drive, 1 minute 40 seconds.

So the last four drives of the dallas offense, prior to the one you quoted, they were absolutely pathetic. 3 and out after 3 and out. Their only really successful drive was the last few minutes, in no-huddle and the majority of the yardage came from hurry-up.

I'm watching the drive that started at 8:00 left in the 3rd quarter right now. It was 9-7 Ravens at that point. Play 1, draw to Choice for 1 yard. Play 2, Romo checks out of a passing play into another run, no gain. Play 3, Romo overthrows a wide open Miles Austin who would have scored a TD. 3 and out. Now who's fault is that?

Imagine that? Garrett actually called two runs first. So Garrett goes away from his standard throw on first down, where he sets up a play-action to Miles Austin deep. Your proving my point for me. So looking back at all the failed drives of the Cowboys, the one that had Miles Austin deep was when they went to running twice in a row, catching the ravens off guard. It is a series that goes outside of Garrett's normal routine.

Even then, the first two drives were for a net total of 1 yard. Dallas again was in a 3rd and 9 situation, which is nothing short of nt manageable. This isn't s drive that is worthy to prove your case at all. No game-field manageability from Red Genius.

Our next drive, down 26-17 with 3:25 left. Starts out of the huddle shotgun, Romo hurried and throws it at Choice's feet. 2nd and 10, Romo throws to RW who looks lost, looking for a PI flag. 3rd and 10, Witten for 14, no huddle. 1st and 10, Romo hurried checks down to Choice incomplete. 2nd and 10, Romo hurried throws behind Crayton incomplete. 3rd and 10, Romo to Crayton for first down to Ravens 32. No huddle... 1st and 10, Romo sacked for loss of 12. 2 minute warning. 2nd and 22, Romo hits TO for 20 on the sideline. out of bounds, in the huddle again. 3rd and 2 at Ravens 25, shotgun draw to Choice for 1st down out of bounds. 1st and 10, Romo runs around for his life in the backfield and throws an incomplete pass. 2nd and 10, Romo to Witten for TD.

Here we go again. 2 plays out of 11 in the no huddle and we lost 12 yards.

Amazing isn't it... An offense that lacks consistency. Isn't that what I said? This drive was eerily similar to the drive before the half. The offense was in hurry-up, Romo is scrambling for his life, keeping plays alive, finding receivers like Owens and Witten on 3rd and 10, unmanageable situations. they were in 3rd and 10 twice, and Romo had to keep plays alive with his feet to make something happen. Where was the play-callingto get manageable chunks of the field. Even prior to that, when Romo missed Miles Austin, it was a 3rd and 9 situation. Over and over again, this team is in 3rd and long situations, and Romo has to buy time.

Thanks for proving the point. 2 plays were no-huddle, but they were clearly in hurry-up mode and this team was simply running street-ball.

 

[khiladi]

4th quarter, drive starting at 6:30:

3 no-huddles, 6 plays that were called out of shotgun, besides the no-huddles. Dallas again in hurry-up... One run called on a draw at 3rd and 1. total drive time, 2:40 seconds.

Total drive time of next posssession that led to a TD, 1:56 seconds. Again, this offense was in hurry-up.

The first series of this 1:56 drive drive, Dallas went 2 and out, with a 3rd and 10 situation yet again. TR keeps plays alive with his feet, hitting Witten for 14. Again, no game manageability from Garrett. Just TR keeping plays alive with his feet.
Very next series, 2 and out, with a 3rd and ten situation again. 3rd and 10, Romo again finds Crayton deep. Same situations. No gamae manageability from Garrett.
Very next play, Romo is sacked in no-huddle. It is the franatical pace of this offense, yet again. It takes big chunks out of the field or TR gets sacked or gets a costly TO.
The very next play, TR finds TO again deep.
The next series, Romo finds Witten down the seam.

Total time of the drive, 1:56 seconds.

You think Garrett had anything significant to do with that. Please...

Very next series, Dallas is in a 3rd and 20, with similar play-calling. Garrett calls a screen on 4th and 2. Pathetic....

 

[rangers71]

This thread has given me tired head. No matter what kind of stats you give to the Garrett haters they will never ever change their mind. It just doesn't matter. They will continue to gripe hoping for him to leave. Then when he leaves and become good elsewhere they will ***** and complain that Jerry let him leave. And then it will all be on Jerry. It's a never ending cycle. I for one am glad that Jason is still here. Sure he had some rough spots but people need to realize the other team has coaches also.