Jimmy Johnson in ROH?

[Bach]

OK...Just for BACH.

When does Jerry get in?

Get in what?

 

[Hostile]

Congratulations on your inability to comprehend how Jimmy had already won without Jerry prior to coming to Dallas.

Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Worthiness.

It honestly was not that hard to grasp.

 

[Hostile]

Get in what?

The Pro Football Hall of Fame or the Ring of Honor. Those are the two topics.

 

[Bach]

Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Worthiness.

It honestly was not that hard to grasp.

It's also not hard to grasp that the reason Jimmy wasn't more successful with the Dolphins had nothing to do with Jerry.

 

[YosemiteSam]

When does Jerry swallow hard and put Jimmy in the Ring?

Why? Jimmy doesn't deserve the ring of honor. The ring of honor is for real Dallas Cowboys. Those who spend most if not all of their career with the Cowboys and define themselves as Dallas Cowboys.

Jimmy Johnson is not worthy of the ring of honor.

 

[5Countem5]

Get in what?

HOF and ROH

Surely if Jimmy's piddly little 2 SuperBowls get him in, then Jerry's 3 should be a no-brainer...

 

[Bach]

If Jerry gets in it'll be as an owner. He's done a good job marketing the team and the league.
I think Matt Millen would make it in as a GM before Jerry would.

As for Jimmy, I doubt he'll get in the Hall of Fame. He wasn't in the league very long, even though he is the main reason we won three Super Bowls in the 90's.

 

[5Countem5]

If Jerry gets in it's be as an owner. He's done a good job marketing the team and the league.
I think Matt Millen would make it in as a GM before Jerry would.

I think his title is Owner, President and General Manager

That's how he would go in.

 

[zrinkill]

It's also not hard to grasp that the reason Jimmy wasn't more successful with the Dolphins had nothing to do with Jerry.

Completely blinded by your hate of Jerry.

Jerry backed up Jimmy completely in his early days at Dallas ...... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.

Jerry was able to wheel and deal to get the Star players in Dallas ..... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.

Jerry gave Jimmy a blank check to win in Dallas ...... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.

Jerry allowed Jimmy to trade away his best player to get many many good ones ...... Jiimy did not get that in Miami.

Jerry was a risk taker ..... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.


How you can say that Jerry was not the difference in his success one place compared to the other is what is laughable.

You are smarter than that.

 

[Bach]

Completely blinded by your hate of Jerry.

Jerry backed up Jimmy completely in his early days at Dallas ...... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.
Jerry was able to wheel and deal to get the Star players in Dallas ..... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.
Jerry gave Jimmy a blank check to win in Dallas ...... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.
Jerry was a risk taker ..... Jimmy did not get that in Miami.

How you can say that Jerry was not the difference in his success one place compared to the other is what is laughable.

You are smarter than that.

I'm not blinded by anything. I see the reality of the situation perfectly. The ones blinded are those wearing their silver and blue Jerry Jones edition glasses.

Jimmy, scouts like Wooten and Ackles, the staff Jimmy hired (interesting concept), and the decisions that Jimmy made on draft day and in trades is what was primarily responsible for building the Cowboys dynasty. I credit Jerry with opening his wallet and giving Jimmy and the staff the authority to do their jobs and do it succesfully.

Their are many reasons Jimmy wasn't as successful in Miami and the least of which was him not having Jerry by his side. That's just reality. Funny how some are too blind to see it.

 

[Bach]

I think his title is Owner, President and General Manager

That's how he would go in.

I think he can himself any title he wants. But if he goes into the Hall of Fame one day, it'll be on the merits of his ownership. No way anyone in their right mind would elect him on the merits of his GM role.

 

[Chief]

You may wish to reconsider that. Jerry Jones is an ultimate Type-A personality.

Drew Pearson, who's only (think about that) connection to Jones is through the franchise that he owned, told him the following:

“We told him he couldn’t because we had the trademark.”

I'm going to ask you to do the impossible.

Put yourself in Jerry Jones shoes for a sec and ask yourself, as Jerry Jones, how YOU would react and when you would "get over it"?

I see your point, but Jerry has to look at the big picture.

He may own the Dallas Cowboys, but he doesn't own their history or their legacy. The fans and the players have a stake in this.

I can see why he would be upset. I can't prove it, but in Jerry's long history as an aggressive businessman, I would bet that he's "gotten over" on people by using similar tactics countless times. There's no room for the meek or the timid.

If he can't handle it that someone beat him to a trademark, then he, of all people, should understand that's the way the game's played.

When it comes to the Ring of Honor, this "committee of one" crap is just wrong.

 

[zrinkill]

I'm not blinded by anything. I see the reality of the situation perfectly. The ones blinded are those wearing their silver and blue Jerry Jones edition glasses.

Huh?

Has nothing to do with whether he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame Bach, and you know that.

As much as you hate to admit it ..... without Jerry Jones he failed in the NFL.

Just like Jerry has failed, all but once, without Jimmy.

You mean those of us that give both men the credit and blame they deserve?

Wow ...... guess its just to much for you to grasp.

 

[Bach]

Huh?

Some are just too blinded by defending all things Cowboys to see reality. The fact Jerry is still with Dallas and Jimmy isn't is obviously a big reason many still go all out to defend Jerry while trying to downplay Jimmy's significance.

You mean those of us that give both men the credit and blame they deserve?

Wow ...... guess its just to much for you to grasp.

No. Not at all.

Take off your silver and blue glasses and you may be able to see for yourself.

 

[zrinkill]

Some are just too blinded by defending all things Cowboys to see reality.

Not I ..... I just defend it from stupid arguments ..... just like in politics ..... you should recognize that by now.

The fact Jerry is still with Dallas and Jimmy isn't is obviously a big reason many still go all out to defend Jerry while trying to downplay Jimmy's significance.

Nobody I have seen has tried to downplay Jimmy's significance with the Cowboys. I have given him equal credit for everything he has done. He was an incredible coach for that team and had the guts to work with the owner/GM to push for the betterment of the team.

Without a GM/Owner to back him up he was not able to recreate that
success.

Take off your silver and blue glasses and you may be able to see for yourself.

Nope ..... Why would I take those off? I am a fan of the Cowboys .....

I am just not blinded by an angry agenda that takes over every post I make like some people.

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[Bach]

Nobody I have seen has tried to downplay Jimmy's significance with the Cowboys. I have given him equal credit for everything he has done. He was an incredible coach for that team and had the guts to work with the owner/GM to push for the betterment of the team.

Without a GM/Owner to back him up he was not able to recreate that
success.

Guess what? Not all things are equal, no matter how much you want to think it is.
And no, he didn't recreate that success in Miami. And he also didn't lead them to multiple 5-11 seasons either, which the man you want to credit equally for the Cowboys success did in Dallas once he fully took over control.

Like I mentioned before, there are many reasons Jimmy didn't have the same success with the Dolphins. But to act like the missing link was not having an imcompetent GM like Jerry there is extremely laughable.

Nope ..... Why would I take those off? I am a fan of the Cowboys .....

I am just not blinded by an angry agenda that takes over every post I make like some people.
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You can be a hardcore fan and still be objective about the team. Some obviously can't do that, and therefore are blinded and can't see the whole picture.

 

[DallasEast]

I see your point, but Jerry has to look at the big picture.

He may own the Dallas Cowboys, but he doesn't own their history or their legacy. The fans and the players have a stake in this.

I can see why he would be upset. I can't prove it, but in Jerry's long history as an aggressive businessman, I would bet that he's "gotten over" on people by using similar tactics countless times. There's no room for the meek or the timid.

If he can't handle it that someone beat him to a trademark, then he, of all people, should understand that's the way the game's played.

When it comes to the Ring of Honor, this "committee of one" crap is just wrong.

Oh, I agree 100%. That was simply my way of offering a possible explanation for why Jerry Jones has not enshrining Drew Pearson in the Ring of Honor yet.

 

[zrinkill]

Drew Pearson and Jimmy Johnson should be in ..... if Jerry is letting personal feelings keep them out then he is being a childish idiot.

Personally I do not think he is, I think both will be there in the upcoming years.

 

[DallasEast]

Drew Pearson and Jimmy Johnson should be in ..... if Jerry is letting personal feelings keep them out then he is being a childish idiot.

Personally I do not think he is, I think both will be there in the upcoming years.

I'm not going to call Jones an idiot.

Bach will do that for me , but I'm left completely baffled why anyone (let alone Jerry Jones) wouldn't have inducted Drew Pearson in the Ring of Honor years ago. Then again, what could have possibly held up Bob Hayes from going into the Ring for 27 freaking years is beyond me too. I can be completely honest and not regret saying I'm clueless about the whole Ring of Honor enshrinement process. It seems pretty damn simple to me.